Broderick Jones decision?

[madinsomniac]

After watching him live yesterday, Much of the issue was him making the wrong decision rather than being physically overmatched. I think he would benefit more from a simpler blocking scheme that let him just go maul his man. I am growing weary of the zone blocking scheme altogether. May be it is the line coach. He isn’t the only issue. Issac may not be playing like we need either. If he struggles or misses his assignment that just magnifies Jones’ issues.

Fautanu graded poorly yesterday and Seaumalo looks awful, too. It’s just a mess.

The scheme is too reactive... do you all remember several years back when we started like 2-5 or 7 or something then made a run at the end of the year to save the winning streak? Well much of that was simplifying a ****** runblocking scheme... expect a repeat this year...

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Any evaluation on Jones I see isn't very good. To some extent it's coaching, but I think a lot of it is on the player. My concern is Fautanu has way more upside and talent and it isn't showing in the regular season. IMO, that one is on coaching.

To me their upside is almost identical, although Troy has a higher injury risk.

Both can equally be ruined by the Meyer/Tomlin combo. We’re watching this in real time sadly.

Isaac is regressing in his time in this “scheme” coaching and he is a damn veteran…the young guys are screwed.

It Doesn’t bode well for our young G/C combo of Frazier and McCormack either if this assessment turns out to be true.

Investing a lot in tools for a mechanic that can’t even turn a wrench.

Yet another case of coaching red flags from this abysmal staff.

 

[jitter77]

The scheme is too reactive... do you all remember several years back when we started like 2-5 or 7 or something then made a run at the end of the year to save the winning streak? Well much of that was simplifying a ****** runblocking scheme... expect a repeat this year...

That's fine, but the issue is it should be simplified from the start or simplified last year when we had issues as well. Maybe they thought they were good going against our crappy D in practice.

 

[Steelers War Room]

Jones was always a high ceiling/low floor prospect.

He dominated with size and athleticism in college, but was sloppy from a technical standpoint, and hasn't gotten better in the pros in that regard.

His lack of development alone should probably cost Pat Meyer his job. They at the very least need to get Fautanu away from Meyer as soon as possible.

For any given player who doesn't improve, we don't know why. Could it be coaching? Is he not coachable? Motivation? Scheme?

When you see the pattern, you get a better picture. Any one player can be an outlier, but who was the last lineman who overshot expectations and kept improving? Who is this generation's Ramon Foster or Al Villanueva? Even a Doug Legursky who was undrafted and became a trusted depth guy? For the last number of years of the Colbert era, maybe the coaching failures were masked by the fact that there was never anyone expected to succeed on the line because they were all third day picks. After ignoring the line for so many years, the team finally starts to prioritize it in the draft only to see that it doesn't matter because there's nobody to coach them up (OL coach) or put them in position to succeed (OC).

 

[Badcat]

For any given player who doesn't improve, we don't know why. Could it be coaching? Is he not coachable? Motivation? Scheme?

When you see the pattern, you get a better picture. Any one player can be an outlier, but who was the last lineman who overshot expectations and kept improving? Who is this generation's Ramon Foster or Al Villanueva? Even a Doug Legursky who was undrafted and became a trusted depth guy? For the last number of years of the Colbert era, maybe the coaching failures were masked by the fact that there was never anyone expected to succeed on the line because they were all third day picks. After ignoring the line for so many years, the team finally starts to prioritize it in the draft only to see that it doesn't matter because there's nobody to coach them up (OL coach) or put them in position to succeed (OC).

Great post, you hit on many key points that I've been pondering myself. One point to also consider is the fact that Jones spent the last two seasons at right tackle and he's re-adjusting to the left. That's going to take time and it doesn't help when you have a ****** OL coach instructing the poor lad.

 

[Coryea]

Great post, you hit on many key points that I've been pondering myself. One point to also consider is the fact that Jones spent the last two seasons at right tackle and he's re-adjusting to the left. That's going to take time and it doesn't help when you have a ****** OL coach instructing the poor lad.

We drafted Jones F*cking what 13th overall and we move him to RT, that was just stupid, you pick a guy that high to be your hopeful franchise LT you better start him at LT, not move him to RT so Dan Moore Jr can keep playing.

 

[Drink IRON City]

ALL of our ails are CLEARLY and CONCISELY coaching and development.
Period.
Full stop.
The sooner Art the Deuce turns it over to Dan the Deuce, and starts clean without Tomlin, the sooner we will no longer suffer this blatant incompetence.
Unfortunately, not holding my breath and know we're stuck with this uninspiring quote machine until at least his contract is up.
Which unfortunately is about 10 years too late at this point.

I’m going to use myself and kayaking as a coaching example.

I was very Hugh-end kayaker and trained many a many hours daily & weekly, high water time honing my paddle stroke.

There was this exceptionally great kayaker from another state that was nationally known. He took other (lower end) Kayakers out and taught them better stroke techniques. He offered me a chance and I took him up on it.

We got to going and almost immediately I could tell he is “less-than” a good coach. I spent twenty minutes with him and regretted it. (Think Pat Meyer here)

It took over 25 paddle hours to undo what he tried to teach me.

The moral to all this is yes, it is part player, but also a part coach. I was experienced enough to over come the coach (think sort of like TJ), where as a more beginner player hasn’t the experience to over come the bad coaching (think B.Jones).

Sub-lesser-coaching can take it’s toll on great / good / experienced players as well (think Solomeu (sp), TJ to a degree, ).


NFL players the best in the world at their craft, they need the best coaching to help maintain that level of excellency.

PAT MEYER is taking these guys backwards, because if you aren’t moving forward…….. you are being left behind and his product shows it continuously.



Salute the nation

 

[fedderone]

Pat Myers is a ******* joke. There is a lot of talent on this OL. This clown shouldn't be allowed to coach on any level. AND please someone ***** slap the DC and tell him he is hot garbage as well. Tomlin is well, Tomlin.

No lies detected.

 

[SteveA]

I know I’m in the minority here, but I still believe that where we always seem to pick at #17-24, unless you got a slam dunk Goon falling into your lap a first round pick should be a skilled “Playmaker”…

Free Agency is where I think they should grab the goons or Big Uglies as STEELER NATION calls em…

We need skilled offensive “Playmakers” in the worst way…

 

[F83]

If Jones doesn't get better by the end of the month, would you just bench and end Jones tenure long term you can Put Troy at Lt, he was a good LT at Washington in a heavy spread o with Penix at Qb and put Peat at RT.

As for the D, you better hope Harmon can play ASAP, black is raw but just ok, Benton is disappointing, and the back-ups all stink ( Loudermilk, the other guy and Lee is unproven, you need to find a vet fat NT to spell Cam a bit.
You might consider bringing a CB like Beanie to the active roster vs Pierre

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I’m going to use myself and kayaking as a coaching example.

I was very Hugh-end kayaker and trained many a many hours daily & weekly, high water time honing my paddle stroke.

There was this exceptionally great kayaker from another state that was nationally known. He took other (lower end) Kayakers out and taught them better stroke techniques. He offered me a chance and I took him up on it.

We got to going and almost immediately I could tell he is “less-than” a good coach. I spent twenty minutes with him and regretted it. (Think Pat Meyer here)

It took over 25 paddle hours to undo what he tried to teach me.

The moral to all this is yes, it is part player, but also a part coach. I was experienced enough to over come the coach (think sort of like TJ), where as a more beginner player hasn’t the experience to over come the bad coaching (think B.Jones).

Sub-lesser-coaching can take it’s toll on great / good / experienced players as well (think Solomeu (sp), TJ to a degree, ).


NFL players the best in the world at their craft, they need the best coaching to help maintain that level of excellency.

PAT MEYER is taking these guys backwards, because if you aren’t moving forward…….. you are being left behind and his product shows it continuously.



Salute the nation

It’s why GA players that come from that exceptional coaching program come here and instantly regress under the tutelage of this abysmal staff but when a team with legit coaching like the Eagles acquires them they just go win SBs.

Coaching matters

It would be one thing if one disgruntled player threw the staff under the bus upon departure, but how many players/hostages clown this staff when they escape to greener pastures where the coaching staff isn’t a pile of dung? Happens frequently

How many teams clown the predictability of this team and knowing what we are going to do before our poorly coached players know what’s going to happen? Happens frequently

How many times will the great standard bearer, Mr Art Nutting, accept mediocrity and reward it with extensions? Happens frequently

And eff that kayak coach with a red hot poker!!!
25 hours to get back to sacking the rivers???
Dude must’ve really sucked!

 

[Drink IRON City]

It’s why GA players that come from that exceptional coaching program come here and instantly regress under the tutelage of this abysmal staff but when a team with legit coaching like the Eagles acquires them they just go win SBs.

Coaching matters

It would be one thing if one disgruntled player threw the staff under the bus upon departure, but how many players/hostages clown this staff when they escape to greener pastures where the coaching staff isn’t a pile of dung? Happens frequently

How many teams clown the predictability of this team and knowing what we are going to do before our poorly coached players know what’s going to happen? Happens frequently

How many times will the great standard bearer, Mr Art Nutting, accept mediocrity and reward it with extensions? Happens frequently

And eff that kayak coach with a red hot poker!!!
25 hours to get back to sacking the rivers???
Dude must’ve really sucked!

Like I said, for lesser kayakers……… he did real good, but at HIGH end level……. Not so good.

Same with these NFL players, they need HIGH-END coaching, not some run of the mill coaching.

To give you an idea, a 74mile race takes about 25,000 strokes, so it’s important to be dialed in efficiently.

PS. After this ordeal, I started coaching fellow kayakers…… both lower end and higher end with no complaints.


Salute the nation

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Like I said, for lesser kayakers……… he did real good, but at HIGH end level……. Not so good.

Same with these NFL players, they need HIGH-END coaching, not some run of the mill coaching.

To give you an idea, a 74mile race takes about 25,000 strokes, so it’s important to be dialed in efficiently.

PS. After this ordeal, I started coaching fellow kayakers…… both lower end and higher end with no complaints.


Salute the nation

Doing a little quick math that’s about 15.63 ft per stroke! Yikes

I definitely need some better stroke efficiency in my kayak game

 

[Litos]

Doing a little quick math that’s about 15.63 ft per stroke! Yikes

I definitely need some better stroke efficiency in my kayak game

I stroke myself quite efficiently.

Wait are we talking about kayaks?

 

[Drink IRON City]

Doing a little quick math that’s about 15.63 ft per stroke! Yikes

I definitely need some better stroke efficiency in my kayak game

The higher the speed the craft Is moving, the longer the stroke.

That goes for Litos too…………. But he is limited on stroke length……………




Salute the nation

 

[diver]

I've been a Steeler fan since the '70s. I really never knew, or worried about who the OL coach was. The first one I really paid attention to was Russ Grimm, because he was a player before. Then Munch..same reason. I would assume most people, unless you are a football junkie, don't really know that much about OL coaches. It is said with absolute assurance that Pat Meyer sucks. Why?

 

[SteveA]

Players play & Coaches coach...Players are ultimately the ones who decide if their career is gonna go anywhere.

These players get paid MILLIONS to be the best they can be...Yet they are not students of the game.

If we all had a sit down with BJ, or any of these struggling Steelers & asked him what he has personally done to get better since he has been a pro, I bet it would be crickets...

Does he have a personal OL coach just like QB's should have? Has he learned technique on his own ? Does he watch film & tape of the best tackles in the game today? I wonder if he has studied the great All-Time tackles & watched their techniques. Who is his 5 favorite ALL-TIME tackles and why? What made them great? Has BJ ever sought out a great tackle maybe who is retured to get some wisdom & pearls of knowledge?

What does Broderick Jones do on his own to get better? he signed the contract, not the coaches.

Every player, because of the NFL Players Association has limited exposure to training days, camp days etc. You NEED to get better on your own.

Coaches can coach, but Players gotta play. These kids don't do anything really to further their career on their own. Yet they take a paycheck each week.

I wonder what these guys actually do when they go home...Are they watching Video, or playing Video games?

I would cancel practice today & make the whole damn team watch some film on Kobe Bryant's relentless work ethic, study of footwork & opponents tendencies, strengths & weaknesses (He spent an off-season with Reggie Miller & learned his fade away from Reggie. Next fall in the Finals Kobe hit the fade away that Reggie taught him to seal the game... Kobe stayed after practice for hours, & had a burning passion to be the best.

Kobe did not rely on Del Harris, Kurt Rambis, or even the greatest NBA coach of All-Time in Phil Jackson to get better...He did it on his own

 

[jitter77]

It is said with absolute assurance that Pat Meyer sucks. Why?

First is just performance. For whatever reason, what Meyer is teaching is not working. We have alot of talent on the line to be failing. Second people have provided breakdown videos showing a variety of issues with scheme or communication. Meyers methods / schemes / techniques are not working with our guys. Meyer might be a good coach, but you have to match player with coach to be successful. I look at it in terms of golf. There are a ton of good golf coaches, but what works for one guy may not work for the next. I feel like we just need to get back to old school basics. Meyer is not that guy

 

[Badcat]

Doing a little quick math that’s about 15.63 ft per stroke! Yikes

I definitely need some better stroke efficiency in my kayak game

I snag whilst fishing probably 6 times an hour on the stream, and I need to paddle up stream to dislodge the jig, sometimes multiple attempts sitting on a 120lb Kayak.

so, 300 strokes per hour just on snags. 12 hours on the water = 3,600 strokes and probably just as many curse words.

 

[NoKap#7]

Players play & Coaches coach...Players are ultimately the ones who decide if their career is gonna go anywhere.

These players get paid MILLIONS to be the best they can be...Yet they are not students of the game.

If we all had a sit down with BJ, or any of these struggling Steelers & asked him what he has personally done to get better since he has been a pro, I bet it would be crickets...

Does he have a personal OL coach just like QB's should have? Has he learned technique on his own ? Does he watch film & tape of the best tackles in the game today? I wonder if he has studied the great All-Time tackles & watched their techniques. Who is his 5 favorite ALL-TIME tackles and why? What made them great? Has BJ ever sought out a great tackle maybe who is retured to get some wisdom & pearls of knowledge?

What does Broderick Jones do on his own to get better? he signed the contract, not the coaches.

Every player, because of the NFL Players Association has limited exposure to training days, camp days etc. You NEED to get better on your own.

Coaches can coach, but Players gotta play. These kids don't do anything really to further their career on their own. Yet they take a paycheck each week.

I wonder what these guys actually do when they go home...Are they watching Video, or playing Video games?

I would cancel practice today & make the whole damn team watch some film on Kobe Bryant's relentless work ethic, study of footwork & opponents tendencies, strengths & weaknesses (He spent an off-season with Reggie Miller & learned his fade away from Reggie. Next fall in the Finals Kobe hit the fade away that Reggie taught him to seal the game... Kobe stayed after practice for hours, & had a burning passion to be the best.

Kobe did not rely on Del Harris, Kurt Rambis, or even the greatest NBA coach of All-Time in Phil Jackson to get better...He did it on his own

You believe BJ could quite possibly be another Jamarcus Russell?

 

[SteveA]

You believe BJ could quite possibly be another Jamarcus Russell?

Naw I’m talking in general about today’s players

I’ve done sales all my life, which is commission based and while there was management and “coaches” I knew my income was based upon how good I could get at my craft.

I bought so many books on the subject. How to win friends and influence people and bought every darn sales book I could get my hands on…

I watched videos, attended Seminars on my own dime, I would listen to recordings of different sales people to see what they did and what they did wrong. I even stole a couple of lines from my biggest Rival in the office.

I just don’t see these players having that inner drive to be the best they can be…

My rant is over

 

[NoKap#7]

Naw I’m talking in general about today’s players

I’ve done sales all my life, which is commission based and while there was management and “coaches” I knew my income was based upon how good I could get at my craft.

I bought so many books on the subject. How to win friends and influence people in every darn sales book I could get my hands on

I watched videos, attended Seminars, would listen to recordings of different sales people to see what they did and what they did wrong. I even stole a couple of lines from my biggest Rival in the office.

I just don’t see these players having that inner drive to be the best they can be…

My rant is over

Im personally curious to see how BJ plays once he gets into his contract year. Its funny how these guys become pro bowlers overnight (i.e. Bud Dupree).

 

[bermudasteel]

After watching him live yesterday, Much of the issue was him making the wrong decision rather than being physically overmatched. I think he would benefit more from a simpler blocking scheme that let him just go maul his man. I am growing weary of the zone blocking scheme altogether. May be it is the line coach. He isn’t the only issue. Issac may not be playing like we need either. If he struggles or misses his assignment that just magnifies Jones’ issues.

Exactly. Jones is not a minute part of the problem but there are issues at every position on the OL.

I think you're on to something with the coaching because there's talent there but the schemes are just tragic IMO...

 

[Litos]

Naw I’m talking in general about today’s players

I’ve done sales all my life, which is commission based and while there was management and “coaches” I knew my income was based upon how good I could get at my craft.

I bought so many books on the subject. How to win friends and influence people and bought every darn sales book I could get my hands on…

I watched videos, attended Seminars on my own dime, I would listen to recordings of different sales people to see what they did and what they did wrong. I even stole a couple of lines from my biggest Rival in the office.

I just don’t see these players having that inner drive to be the best they can be…

My rant is over

for sure he is lacking demeanor, wish all Linemen finished their blocks and played to the whistle, I think the only one is Frazier. Broderick needs some gut nastiness

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I've been a Steeler fan since the '70s. I really never knew, or worried about who the OL coach was. The first one I really paid attention to was Russ Grimm, because he was a player before. Then Munch..same reason. I would assume most people, unless you are a football junkie, don't really know that much about OL coaches. It is said with absolute assurance that Pat Meyer sucks. Why?

Reasons he sucks…

1) The technique he teaches blows and is ineffective as he tries to force this on players not of that skillset. If you want to teach that garbage technique bring in a karate master and a boxer to supplement cuz Pat ain’t got the skills.
2) players get worse under his tutelage-consistently
3) players don’t improve under his tutelage-consistently
4) almost every stop on his tenure the teams he has served for have gotten worse upon his arrival. The One exception in his entire career where the team improved for 1 season with him was as run game coordinator
5) just open your eyes and watch, Munch could turn DLmen into solid players….this guy turns first rounders into turnstiles

He sucks
But that is pretty much a prevailing qualification for any Tomlin hire…the throne must not be threatened by the competition of bright minds….only future scape goat dimwits need apply