Broderick Jones decision?

[Fiji Mariner]

Players play & Coaches coach...Players are ultimately the ones who decide if their career is gonna go anywhere.

These players get paid MILLIONS to be the best they can be...Yet they are not students of the game.

If we all had a sit down with BJ, or any of these struggling Steelers & asked him what he has personally done to get better since he has been a pro, I bet it would be crickets...

Does he have a personal OL coach just like QB's should have? Has he learned technique on his own ? Does he watch film & tape of the best tackles in the game today? I wonder if he has studied the great All-Time tackles & watched their techniques. Who is his 5 favorite ALL-TIME tackles and why? What made them great? Has BJ ever sought out a great tackle maybe who is retured to get some wisdom & pearls of knowledge?

What does Broderick Jones do on his own to get better? he signed the contract, not the coaches.

Every player, because of the NFL Players Association has limited exposure to training days, camp days etc. You NEED to get better on your own.

Coaches can coach, but Players gotta play. These kids don't do anything really to further their career on their own. Yet they take a paycheck each week.

I wonder what these guys actually do when they go home...Are they watching Video, or playing Video games?

I would cancel practice today & make the whole damn team watch some film on Kobe Bryant's relentless work ethic, study of footwork & opponents tendencies, strengths & weaknesses (He spent an off-season with Reggie Miller & learned his fade away from Reggie. Next fall in the Finals Kobe hit the fade away that Reggie taught him to seal the game... Kobe stayed after practice for hours, & had a burning passion to be the best.

Kobe did not rely on Del Harris, Kurt Rambis, or even the greatest NBA coach of All-Time in Phil Jackson to get better...He did it on his own

These dudes work very hard on their craft
They Put in countless hours
Guarantee they do a lot more than you did to become decent at your sales career

Anybody can sell ****, very few can make it to the NFL, they definitely put in the work to get there

This post just started with sooooo much garbage I could barely get past the first few lines of absolute bullshit.

What’s Tomlin’s excuse for not improving a bit in the last decade and actually getting worse?

Coach sets the culture, if players are allowed to get by resting on their laurels there is one guy to look at that is responsible for setting that culture.

Crickets…my ***!!! This wins for dumbest post of the season yet

 

[Steelmann]

Naw I’m talking in general about today’s players

I’ve done sales all my life, which is commission based and while there was management and “coaches” I knew my income was based upon how good I could get at my craft.

I bought so many books on the subject. How to win friends and influence people and bought every darn sales book I could get my hands on…

I watched videos, attended Seminars on my own dime, I would listen to recordings of different sales people to see what they did and what they did wrong. I even stole a couple of lines from my biggest Rival in the office.

I just don’t see these players having that inner drive to be the best they can be…

My rant is over

Sorry SteveO……..can’t help myself. When no one buys what you are spreading in the real world…..do you call them all haters?

 

[SteveA]

Guarantee they do a lot more than you did to become decent at your sales career

You are really, really talking about something you do not know. Not everyone can sell at a high level.

I have been #1 or #2 at Sales at EVERY PLACE I have ever been. GOOGLE "THE CREDIT COWBOY" STEVE ALTONIAN...I built a whole brand....You may even see my music online of which I read countless books, played until my fingers were bleeding, studied all night etc...

I know how to get better in a craft...

FACTS...That is a matter of historical record

 

[Fiji Mariner]

You are really, really talking about something you do not know. Not everyone can sell at a high level.

I have been #1 or #2 at Sales at EVERY PLACE I have ever been. GOOGLE "THE CREDIT COWBOY" STEVE ALTONIAN...I built a whole brand....You may even see my music online of which I read countless books, studied etc to get from...

I know how to get better in a craft...

FACTS...That is a matter of historical record

Meh, ya gotta be really flexible to bend down and give yourself that hummer

Many people build
Brands and can sell
It ain’t that hard
Actually quite easy if that’s what ya want to do
Done that job, set the rookie record at my company and it bored the **** out of me. 2ez

Unlike
Becoming an NFL player which is extremely difficult and a small handful can do

Count the number of great salesmen and people
That have built a brand….guarantee the number is hundreds or thousands of times more than the very few people that reach the elite level
That is the NfL

Slow clap for the “brand builder” tho
Sounds like ya must need a pat on the back
Atta boy…you’re such a good little brand builder Stevie!

 

[SteveA]

Sorry SteveO……..can’t help myself. When no one buys what you are spreading in the real world…..do you call them all haters?

Actually I had to learn through the same process I described to NOT do that because I "used" to lose those sales...

I kinda know what I'm talkin' bout here boys

 

[SteveA]

Meh

You have 1 Agenda...FIRE TOMLIN

HOLD PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE

 

[Fiji Mariner]

You have 1 Agenda...FIRE TOMLIN

HOLD PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE

You have 2 agendas

1) Remove Tomlin from any culpability at all costs
2) Get a big ole taste of Tomlin’s nuts in your mouth

 

[stillwright]

Agreed. He did get beat on a coverage sack but did what he needed to most part. They kept blitzing the gaps. More specifically Seumalo.

What is this? Is this actually allowed?

 

[SteveA]

You have 2 agendas

1) Remove Tomlin from any culpability at all costs
2) Get a big ole taste of Tomlin’s nuts in your mouth

3....TO PISS OFF TOMLIN HATERS....

Which is harder now that I am sober for the first time in a year...I'm a little less of an azz when I ain't drinking

That game was brutal to watch sober

 

[diver]

Reasons he sucks…

1) The technique he teaches blows and is ineffective as he tries to force this on players not of that skillset. If you want to teach that garbage technique bring in a karate master and a boxer to supplement cuz Pat ain’t got the skills.
2) players get worse under his tutelage-consistently
3) players don’t improve under his tutelage-consistently
4) almost every stop on his tenure the teams he has served for have gotten worse upon his arrival. The One exception in his entire career where the team improved for 1 season with him was as run game coordinator
5) just open your eyes and watch, Munch could turn DLmen into solid players….this guy turns first rounders into turnstiles

He sucks
But that is pretty much a prevailing qualification for any Tomlin hire…the throne must not be threatened by the competition of bright minds….only future scape goat dimwits need apply

I'm not trying to defend Pat Meyer, I really knew nothing about the guy before he came to Pittsburgh. Still don't. Munch was great, and deserves some credit for making a player out of AV, for example, but only some. You had a highly motivated guy there. Those guys are easy to work with. Meyer has Jones, who by some reports, may not be the most motivated guy. With AV you had a guy who had to work his *** off for everything, everything probably came easy to Jones until the NFL.

I get it about technique and all that. And that is highly important. But dammit, why can't these guys just whip the guy in front of them every once and a while regardless? To me it is a coaching AND player problem. Which means they need to revamp everything. Maybe they need a situation in which a new coach comes in and it's a purge.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I'm not trying to defend Pat Meyer, I really knew nothing about the guy before he came to Pittsburgh. Still don't. Munch was great, and deserves some credit for making a player out of AV, for example, but only some. You had a highly motivated guy there. Those guys are easy to work with. Meyer has Jones, who by some reports, may not be the most motivated guy. With AV you had a guy who had to work his *** off for everything, everything probably came easy to Jones until the NFL.

I get it about technique and all that. And that is highly important. But dammit, why can't these guys just whip the guy in front of them every once and a while regardless? To me it is a coaching AND player problem. Which means they need to revamp everything. Maybe they need a situation in which a new coach comes in and it's a purge.

It is both coaching and a player problem

To me coaching bears more of the brunt in this unique circumstance. Usually it’s more on the players imo, but the one constant has been piss poor coaching for years and players regressing under said piss poor coaching.

This staff not only does not put players in a position to win they offer asinine assignments setting them up for failure. At a minimum a coaching staff shouldn’t be an obstacle to success.

How hard is it to develop a plan based on players’ skill sets and give them a chance at success by not hamstringing them?

My bar for the next staff has gotten extremely low
watching these hurdles called a coaching staff.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

3....TO PISS OFF TOMLIN HATERS....

Which is harder now that I am sober for the first time in a year...I'm a little less of an azz when I ain't drinking

That game was brutal to watch sober

Congrats on the sobriety

And yes the painful execution of asinine deployments and a lack of a decent scheme are difficult to watch sober. It’s brutal to watch this level of futility.

 

[diver]

It is both coaching and a player problem

To me coaching bears more of the brunt in this unique circumstance. Usually it’s more on the players imo, but the one constant has been piss poor coaching for years and players regressing under said piss poor coaching.

This staff not only does not put players in a position to win they offer asinine assignments setting them up for failure. At a minimum a coaching staff shouldn’t be an obstacle to success.

How hard is it to develop a plan based on players’ skill sets and give them a chance at success by not hamstringing them?

My bar for the next staff has gotten extremely low
watching these hurdles called a coaching staff.

Yeah. It has taken me a while to completely see how poor this staff is. I'm old enough to remember a time when coaches were not blamed so quickly. I didn't get mad at Noll when Bradshaw threw a pick, I got mad at Bradshaw. But man, this staff just does nothing to make you think anything will change. The caveat to me though is this staff also was involved in picking the players. There is a little but of an inconsistency in saying this staff is so poor at coaching but did a great job evaluating the players. Can those two things coexist? Maybe Jones, for example, was a complete miss in the evaluation process. Or Benton. Maybe those guys just aren't that good.

 

[steel dino]

It is both coaching and a player problem

To me coaching bears more of the brunt in this unique circumstance. Usually it’s more on the players imo, but the one constant has been piss poor coaching for years and players regressing under said piss poor coaching.

This staff not only does not put players in a position to win they offer asinine assignments setting them up for failure. At a minimum a coaching staff shouldn’t be an obstacle to success.

How hard is it to develop a plan based on players’ skill sets and give them a chance at success by not hamstringing them?

My bar for the next staff has gotten extremely low
watching these hurdles called a coaching staff.

To me it all starts with the draft and player evaluation by the organization...
I know Colbert is gone but IMO the issues started with him at the helm..
Not sure if the organization revised their philosophy/approach or maybe some key personnel players?
Whatever happened....we are not one of the NFL's best at college player evaluation and drafting any longer..
In fact..one could argue we have slide way down the charts in the last 5-7 years.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Yeah. It has taken me a while to completely see how poor this staff is. I'm old enough to remember a time when coaches were not blamed so quickly. I didn't get mad at Noll when Bradshaw threw a pick, I got mad at Bradshaw. But man, this staff just does nothing to make you think anything will change. The caveat to me though is this staff also was involved in picking the players. There is a little but of an inconsistency in saying this staff is so poor at coaching but did a great job evaluating the players. Can those two things coexist? Maybe Jones, for example, was a complete miss in the evaluation process. Or Benton. Maybe those guys just aren't that good.

It is indeed hard to assess a lot of things with accuracy do to the complete mess that has been made.

As fans we likely overestimate the players abilities and potential (blame our fandom for the endless optimism that always forms for the many camp darlings and the positivity we look at players with) and just like we do with QBs we likely give too much credit or blame to coaching too.

When the coach is so instrumental in building the roster like long tenured coaches usually are it further murks the waters.

Again would love to be a fly on the wall in some of the meetings and see just how much micromanaging he does in preparation and on game day. Mike being the primary decision maker behind the steady never changing approach does seem to be the obvious answer that makes the most sense.

At this point he is the one constant through several scape goated coaches yet nothing ever seems to truly change which is why I think many fans feel he is the most culpable to the mediocrity.

 

[Drink IRON City]

What is this? Is this actually allowed?

ONLY be the opposition, our team doesn't get to do that.............................

Beat the man in front of you, is more confusing when they blitz,........................... that's our problem/



Salute the nation

 

[jitter77]

These dudes work very hard on their craft
They Put in countless hours
Guarantee they do a lot more than you did to become decent at your sales career

Anybody can sell ****, very few can make it to the NFL, they definitely put in the work to get there

This post just started with sooooo much garbage I could barely get past the first few lines of absolute bullshit.

What’s Tomlin’s excuse for not improving a bit in the last decade and actually getting worse?

Coach sets the culture, if players are allowed to get by resting on their laurels there is one guy to look at that is responsible for setting that culture.

Crickets…my ***!!! This wins for dumbest post of the season yet

Im not sure about all that. Alot of people work hard at their jobs or 2 jobs 60-80 hours / week yr round. I doubt many NFLers are putting in that kind of time daily. Just because very few can make it to the NFL doesn't mean others are not putting in the same amount of work in their profession. Being in the NFL is alot about being extremely physically gifted. Sure you have to work to enhance your physical abilities but someone 5'4 130 is not going to make it

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

if no one cares wtf the head guy is doing,,, do they really care who he hires under him?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Im not sure about all that. Alot of people work hard at their jobs or 2 jobs 60-80 hours / week yr round. I doubt many NFLers are putting in that kind of time daily. Just because very few can make it to the NFL doesn't mean others are not putting in the same amount of work in their profession. Being in the NFL is alot about being extremely physically gifted. Sure you have to work to enhance your physical abilities but someone 5'4 130 is not going to make it

Requires a rare combination hard work and natural gifts, the guys that are in NfL (the vast vast majority) have been working hard at their craft since childhood. Sure there are a few rare exceptions that are successful without that, but there are in every field. But for a fan/fans to assert these guys are just sitting on the laurels doing nothing to improve their craft is asinine. That is where the comment was directed.

Especially asinine when said fan has zero actual knowledge of the work they are putting in, just assuming a poor result on the field is from lack of effort to improve. I know quite a bit about the player in question from this comment and he is definitely a hard worker, will that equate to success??? Time will tell, he’s got a lot of hurdles to overcome for his natural ability, work ethic and situation to all come together to overcome and equate to what spectators may deem “success”.

I just laugh at arm chair know it alls that make asinine assumptions based fully on opinion with zero substance to substantiate the absurd claims.

And tell that last part to Dri Archer haha couldn’t resist throwing a midget reference in there, maybe Spud Webb is a better example.

And never claimed there weren’t hard working people (not in the NFL) that work their ***** off too, not sure where you’re making that connection to what I said. Simply said that the NFL is the elite end of this profession and very few are as successful in their own fields as any of these guys are just by making it to such an elite level. Just cuz ya work 60-80 in your job doesn’t make you the best at it just like giving 200% won’t guarantee punching your ticket into the elite group that are NFL athletes.