James Franklin has reportedly been fired

[Badcat]

This. The Death Penalty would have been a starting point. You seem to think money is the cure all. And poor Penn State .....they lost money.


Penn State

2024 total assets were $20.7 billion
2023 endowment $4.57 billion

Penn State got off easy.

You're one of those guys who wanted Joe's wins admonished, public executions, statues removed, legacies erased from time, demolish Beaver stadium, implode the training room, turn the locker room showers into an Auschwitz type museum, book deals for each victim and let's just get all of them on Ophrah so their stories are heard and all of America can abhorrently gasp in unison and put up some virtue signaling filter on their social media profile images. Even then, it wouldn't be enough for the likes of you because you embody the spirit of Helen Lovejoy.

What happened is disgusting and all of Penn State from its alum, fans, administration, and anyone associated with the school want's Sandusky *** raped multiple times per day until he dies a painful death. **** him with a broken broom handle, he is a total monster and deserves to die a torturous death. But some people will never feel as if enough punishment has been dealt, like you.

 

[diver]

Franklin elevated Penn State from a Tier 4 program (which is still very good) to a Tier 2 program, just below the true national title contenders.

This went beyond Pitt and WVU fans.

Sure it did. But the Epstein thing shows the level of outrage depends on political leanings at the moment. If you hate Penn State, obviously the outrage is greater. Shouldn't be, but it's human nature.

 

[NoKap#7]

He'll go to someplace like a MAC school where there won't be the pressure.

I dont think he'll coach again at all if he has to accept a job at a mid level. He'll go into being a analyst before he does that.

 

[NoKap#7]

he wasnt earning it before..

I do believe he should have won the big one before being paid all that money but that's a ridiculous and unnecessary theme across many sports. A lot of these guys never really earn it. Dak Prescott getting 60 million a year w/o having never even been to a Super Bowl is beyond ludicrous. I personally dont think anybody should be getting paid more than Patrick Mahomes. Hes your bar. Anyone paid more than him is unacceptable.

Franklin was however the 16th ranked coach pay wise. Let me say this. There's not 15 NC winners above him. I think he was being paid fairly based upon saving Penn St from purgatory. They were consistently top 10 team and he was a good recruiter. He was pretty much good at everything just never elite. I think his salary was fair when you consider the coaches being paid more then him.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Franklin elevated Penn State from a Tier 4 program (which is still very good) to a Tier 2 program, just below the true national title contenders.

well look at what Paterno did with a tier 4 program then. Now theyre a tier 2 program and stink. Im not arguing with you.. Im glad franklin is gone is all.

 

[stillwright]

You're one of those guys who wanted Joe's wins admonished, public executions, statues removed, legacies erased from time, demolish Beaver stadium, implode the training room, turn the locker room showers into an Auschwitz type museum, book deals for each victim and let's just get all of them on Ophrah so their stories are heard and all of America can abhorrently gasp in unison and put up some virtue signaling filter on their social media profile images. Even then, it wouldn't be enough for the likes of you because you embody the spirit of Helen Lovejoy.

What happened is disgusting and all of Penn State from its alum, fans, administration, and anyone associated with the school want's Sandusky *** raped multiple times per day until he dies a painful death. **** him with a broken broom handle, he is a total monster and deserves to die a torturous death. But some people will never feel as if enough punishment has been dealt, like you.

Meh.....I was told the victims are millionaires now and should be happy.

The Death Penalty should have been used is my opinion. It is disgusting that the people who knew what was going on simply let it go on....year after year. Powerful people....all in the name of the programn not to be tarnished.

Now fans look at it as a ....just a scandal. Victims are happy because they got millions. Sad.

 

[stillwright]

Terminating the football program hurts more people than just Penn state itself. It effects students and the community. They were also banned from postseason play for 4 yrs. I dont think you can punish everyone due to 3-4 bad people. I'm not a Penn State fan, but I think they were hit pretty hard in general

Sure you can.

 

[NoKap#7]

Terminating the football program hurts more people than just Penn state itself. It effects students and the community. They were also banned from postseason play for 4 yrs. I dont think you can punish everyone due to 3-4 bad people. I'm not a Penn State fan, but I think they were hit pretty hard in general

Depends on what the offense is. Known activity related to sexual assault/molestation and turning a blind eye is pretty huge.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

well look at what Paterno did with a tier 4 program then. Now theyre a tier 2 program and stink. Im not arguing with you.. Im glad franklin is gone is all.

 

[Sarge]

4 star WR recruit Jashier Rogers has ended his commitment to Penn State due to the firing of James Franklin

 

[ExUSAF]

4 star WR recruit Jashier Rogers has ended his commitment to Penn State due to the firing of James Franklin

I imagine they will lose a lot of recruits who were committed to Franklin but the next coach may bring in some recruits that were committed to him. Depends on how much $ the NIL will provide, which I hope leads to having a "salary cap" for the college level programs.

 

[bermudasteel]

Does anyone think Coach Franklin could bring any value to the Steelers???

I mean, he could instantly take over Steely McBeam duties; but, I was being serious with that question...

 

[Badcat]

Does anyone think Coach Franklin could bring any value to the Steelers???

I mean, he could instantly take over Steely McBeam duties; but, I was being serious with that question...

He is Tomlin 2.0 without the word salad. Seriously, he is loyal to a fault, horrible with time management, plays down to competition, chokes in big games, not an x's and O's guy, doesn't adjust well during games, poor at game planning, and he's a player's coach. Franklin is one hell of a program builder and an outstanding leader of young men. VERY intelligent guy and an excellent recruiter. His core strengths aren't a match for the NFL IMO.

 

[Sarge]

I imagine they will lose a lot of recruits who were committed to Franklin but the next coach may bring in some recruits that were committed to him. Depends on how much $ the NIL will provide, which I hope leads to having a "salary cap" for the college level programs.

Yeah for sure, and they are bleeding them right now. Lost a 4 star CB today.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

The loss of recruits is nothing. Many of these were for the class of 27 which means they weren't solid anyway. In the NIL world, kids commit to a school then they still go on official visits to multiple other schools listening to offers. If they hire a good coach, most of them will commit again.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Good point. Penn State probably can't wait to hire a coach who makes the Playoffs this year. No way a coach in the playoff would accept the Penn State job and leave early. Also no chance his team would let him accept the PSU job and still coach the playoff.

So if you want Cignetti, then you have to hope he misses out on the playoffs. For that to happen, Indiana would have to fall apart. If that happens do you still want him? Kind of a Catch 22 (author Joseph Heller taught at Penn State in the 50s).

 

[topseed]

If he does get hired, does the payoff get reduced by his new salary? I heard somewhere that might be the case.

Yes.

And not only yes, but he also must seek out another job. From frontofficesports.com:

"Franklin and Penn State could have negotiated a settlement after his firing, but the terms of his 2021 contract extension, obtained by Front Office Sports, read: 'Should Coach obtain such applicable employment prior to the date this Contract would otherwise have expired, the University’s obligation to make payments to Coach … will be offset by the total compensation earned by Coach from such applicable new position through the end of the otherwise unexpired term of this agreement.'

In other words, whatever new salary he receives from his next job will offset what Penn State owes him in a buyout. And Franklin is obligated to search for a new job, according to the deal. That language, known as 'duty to mitigate,' states: 'Once terminated, Coach is obligated to diligently search for and make a good faith effort to obtain another position appropriate for his skill set (i.e., coaching, scouting and broadcasting only) and to provide the university upon request with evidence that he is seeking such employment.' Franklin is also required 'to make good faith efforts to obtain the maximum reasonable salary' at his new job."


That mitigation language is very important, and clearly states that it isn't just coaching or scouting, it also includes broadcasting. Any money he makes from between now and 2031 reduces the buyout 1:1.

So unless Coach Franklin and the administration agreed to different terms than his existing contract, people crying about all of the money that he is going to make "doing nothing" are misinformed.

 

[topseed]

The loss of recruits is nothing. Many of these were for the class of 27 which means they weren't solid anyway. In the NIL world, kids commit to a school then they still go on official visits to multiple other schools listening to offers. If they hire a good coach, most of them will commit again.

That's just an inane statement.

Kemon Spell is the consensus #1 running back in the class of 2027. He's gone. Penn State isn't even in his newly minted top eight anymore. Losing an elite 5-star player like that not only has the obvious direct ramifications, but it also causes the collateral damage of other big recruits no longer wanting to consider Penn State as a possibility, and all of the recruiting momentum they were building with the CFP wins last year has completely evaporated.

 

[Badcat]

That's just an inane statement.

Kemon Spell is the consensus #1 running back in the class of 2027. He's gone. Penn State isn't even in his newly minted top eight anymore. Losing an elite 5-star player like that not only has the obvious direct ramifications, but it also causes the collateral damage of other big recruits no longer wanting to consider Penn State as a possibility, and all of the recruiting momentum they were building with the CFP wins last year has completely evaporated.

I get what you and Tape are saying and I agree with both, if that is even possible? Losing Spell is HUGE, and has the possibility of setting the team back a few years. To Tape's point, the transfer portal changes the impact as PSU has plenty of NIL money to coax kids into filling the voids that Spell and others left behind. Maybe not at the same level of talent, but enough to keep them winning. Can the new coach be a draw for the elite talent? We shall see.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

He is Tomlin 2.0 without the word salad. Seriously, he is loyal to a fault, horrible with time management, plays down to competition, chokes in big games, not an x's and O's guy, doesn't adjust well during games, poor at game planning, and he's a player's coach. Franklin is one hell of a program builder and an outstanding leader of young men. VERY intelligent guy and an excellent recruiter. His core strengths aren't a match for the NFL IMO.

But is he worse at all those “qualities” than Mike?
If so he meets the criteria of not threatening the throne…

Kick the tires
He was never used properly
He’d look great in B&G

Mathematically multiply negatives and ya get a positive!

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

That's just an inane statement.

Kemon Spell is the consensus #1 running back in the class of 2027. He's gone. Penn State isn't even in his newly minted top eight anymore. Losing an elite 5-star player like that not only has the obvious direct ramifications, but it also causes the collateral damage of other big recruits no longer wanting to consider Penn State as a possibility, and all of the recruiting momentum they were building with the CFP wins last year has completely evaporated.

It’s merely based in reality. In what world are top recruits going to keep a commitment to a team without a coach and they aren’t even sure who their OC, DC or position coach will be?

I’m just pointing out that people are freaking out online over something that is bound to happen. It’s also not a done deal. As I said, hire a good coach and most of them may end up at PSU anyway.

Another thing to consider. Does the new coach want all these guys? Spell is a great player but Nick Singleton was just as highly rated and he has been mediocre. The new coach may not want to spend that much on a RB and instead get some DTs that weigh more than 290.

The players on the current team will get a portal window now. People are really going to freak when some of their own guys enter the portal.

This is just what happens now when you fire a coach. The new guy just has to get them back. One of the first things Franklin did was flip Saquon from a Rutgers commit to come to Penn State. Saquon was not a high star player. The new coach just needs to hit the ground running like Franklin did.

 

[Sarge]

Cignetti isn’t coming to Penn State, other than to beat their ***** later this season.

It’s a pipe dream. He’s building something good up there, and as much as I’d like him to coach Penn State, it’s not happening. There’s a less than zero chance.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Not going to read the whole thread, but who is the temporary coach at Penn State (a little run down on him/her)

Thank you in advance.


Salute the nation

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

It's hilarious how last week, most of the media was crushing Franklin because he can't win the big game. Today they are saying Penn State was stupid for firing such a great coach and they'll be lucky to get anybody as good.

 

[topseed]

I get what you and Tape are saying and I agree with both, if that is even possible? Losing Spell is HUGE, and has the possibility of setting the team back a few years. To Tape's point, the transfer portal changes the impact as PSU has plenty of NIL money to coax kids into filling the voids that Spell and others left behind. Maybe not at the same level of talent, but enough to keep them winning. Can the new coach be a draw for the elite talent? We shall see.

Recruiting kids out of high school and bringing in upper classman out of the transfer portal are two entirely different processes. Penn State has traditionally built its program through recruiting high school players and developing them. This year, they brought in three senior wide receivers in the portal, and it most certainly did not work out. It's going to take a lot of work to repair the progress they were showing in the former, no matter who the next head coach is.