Steelers hiring McCarthy

[topseed]

I don't think they want another 15+ year coach, rather an unknown coach who has upside. McVay, Shanahan, Macdonald, Coen, Johnson, etc. weren't retreads. I had the younger coaches ahead of McCarthy because the odds of a HC making the Super Bowl on their third job isn't very high. I did have a substantial gap between him and Flores, who I had 5th. Anyway, I'm fine with the hire, just not my first choice.

Yeah, and hiring a random unknown coach doesn't have good odds, either. There's going to be 10 various head coaching hires this year, and no guarantee that any of them, known or unknown, will ever win a Super Bowl.

The idea of McCarthy being local isn't isolated to this hiring cycle, it's something that's constant with the Steelers. They either were born here or coached here or at Pitt, etc. Nepotism has nothing to do with coaching hires, but player acquisition. There is absolutely no denying that and there really isn't anything to explain.

I'm sorry, I thought you just said this: "The Steelers love nepotism and it seems like the Steelers will pass over better coaches/players for the opportunity to hire somebody with local ties."

 

[topseed]

I see you took a few digs at fans. If your opinion is solid you shouldn’t need to do that right?

You seem to be particularly upset about this hire. Particularly whiny. You want to deny that?

Let’s not pretend his one playoff win is impressive with the Cowboys. Most fans want something more than this. It’s why fans had enough of Tomlin the lack there of. The hire seems more like a probability of that than your suggestions.

Here we go again with the playoff wins fixation. McCarthy has 11 playoff wins. Which other candidate has more?

Then there is a matter that the whole interview process stunk. If he was such an impressive candidate over Clint and Shula then you should have no problem with good candidates being interviewed right?

The Steelers did, in fact, do a virtual interview with your boy Shula. How's his defense performing today?

Instead of bringing in two Rooney rule coaches and calling it a day..they should have done an extensive search. That is how you find the best candidate for the job . Instead Andy and Omar’s buddy got hired.

You're connecting the dots to Khan and McCarthy working together as low level assistants for one season over 25 ago as the reason Mike was hired? lol

So when the Steelers watch these great young minds go on to be more successful than a retread I have a feeling the opinions will change.

Sure there is outcry from the fans because simply the interview process or the lack there of blew chunks.

Yeah. Great young minds. OK. You go ahead and root for them. I'm going to get behind the guy the Steelers got. If he fails, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. Sound good?

 

[slashsteel]

Yeah, and hiring a random unknown coach doesn't have good odds, either. There's going to be 10 various head coaching hires this year, and no guarantee that any of them, known or unknown, will ever win a Super Bowl.

I'm sorry, I thought you just said this: "The Steelers love nepotism and it seems like the Steelers will pass over better coaches/players for the opportunity to hire somebody with local ties."

Who cares about odds? This isn’t horseshoes as in close enough. Every new coach has a chance of failure. You give them a stint and if they don’t show improvement you move on.

Bill and Mike were new coaches they both did well. Mike more at the beginning but still he started well.

Ben did well for Chicago another new coach.

No fan should be thinking Mike will bring some innovative approach that will make him be on par with the Rams and Seahawks.

That is what all fans should want for the Steelers.

 

[slashsteel]

You seem to be particularly upset about this hire. Particularly whiny. You want to deny that?

Here we go again with the playoff wins fixation. McCarthy has 11 playoff wins. Which other candidate has more?

The Steelers did, in fact, do a virtual interview with your boy Shula. How's his defense performing today?

You're connecting the dots to Khan and McCarthy working together as low level assistants for one season over 25 ago as the reason Mike was hired? lol

Yeah. Great young minds. OK. You go ahead and root for them. I'm going to get behind the guy the Steelers got. If he fails, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. Sound good?

Is it whiny because I wanted more for a team that has been mediocre for ten years?

Or is it just another attempt for you to dig on someone because your opinion lacks?

Mike’s playoff wins with Greenbay wasn’t recent so let’s not take a lot of stock of what was way back when.

Oh two great teams going back in forth in a game that takes them to the big game. At least Shula helped get them to this point. Way better than what Mike has accomplished lately.

Yeah I will go ahead and want them and still root for my team how will that be sport?

 

[topseed]

Who cares about odds? This isn’t horseshoes as in close enough. Every new coach has a chance of failure. You give them a stint and if they don’t show improvement you move on.

@SteelerFan448 does. He brought it up.

Bill and Mike were new coaches they both did well. Mike more at the beginning but still he started well.

Mike pissed away the prime years of a hall-of-fame quarterback. The Steelers had enough talent to win more than one Super Bowl in the last 19 years. I know that, and so do you.

Ben did well for Chicago another new coach.

No fan should be thinking Mike will bring some innovative approach that will make him be on par with the Rams and Seahawks.

That is what all fans should want for the Steelers.

Well there's at least one retread head coach doing pretty well for himself in New England.

 

[slashsteel]

@SteelerFan448 does. He brought it up.

Mike pissed away the prime years of a hall-of-fame quarterback. The Steelers had enough talent to win more than one Super Bowl in the last 19 years. I know that, and so do you.

Well there's at least one retread head coach doing pretty well for himself in New England.

A much younger man. Not a man that has hung around for a long time and still only managed the same 1 SB with a QB most feel was even better than BigBen.

If you diss what Mike didn’t do you should be on the same page with BigMike they are the same in that aspect.

 

[topseed]

Is it whiny because I wanted more for a team that has been mediocre for ten years?

Or is it just another attempt for you to dig on someone because your opinion lacks?

No, it's your incessant whining throughout a 19-page thread that continues still. My opinion isn't lacking -- I outlined five clear reasons why this isn't a bad hire for the Steelers.

Mike’s playoff wins with Greenbay wasn’t recent so let’s not take a lot of stock of what was way back when.

Yes, you like to pick and choose your facts. I get it.

Oh two great teams going back in for in a game that takes them to the big game. At least Shula helped get them to this point. Way better than what Mike has accomplished lately.

Yeah, that 17th ranked Shula defense got the Rams to where they are. Nothing to do with their #1 ranked offense. Don't talk stupid, bro.

Yeah I will go ahead and want them and still root for my team how will that be sport?

Doesn't sound like you're rooting for Mike McCarthy, who will be coaching your team for the foreseeable future. Sounds like you're pissing and moaning about the guy before he's coached a single game for the Steelers.

 

[slashsteel]

No, it's your incessant whining throughout a 19-page thread that continues still. My opinion isn't lacking -- I outlined five clear reasons why this isn't a bad hire for the Steelers.

Yes, you like to pick and choose your facts. I get it.

Yeah, that 17th ranked Shula defense got the Rams to where they are. Nothing to do with their #1 ranked offense. Don't talk stupid, bro.

Doesn't sound like you're rooting for Mike McCarthy, who will be coaching your team for the foreseeable future. Sounds like your pissing and moaning about the guy before he's coached a single game for the Steelers.

I am stupid ? I said helped.

I am whiny ? because the interview process sucked.

You are coming across like a big ******** tonight perhaps come back when you aren’t so disrespectful. And can talk football without trying to talk down to others.

Who gives a **** if a poster leaves the D out of a name he has been a good poster for a long time.

 

[FordFairLane]

Wow. I really did not expect this amount of vitriol for the McCarthy hire. 18 pages and counting. Clearly, I am in the vast minority here, but I'll try to explain why I like this decision, and walk some of you fruitie pies back off the ledge:

1) Offensive success. McCarthy has been an NFL head coach for 18 seasons. He's had a top ten scoring offense on 12 occasions, a full two-thirds of the time. All but 2 of those 12 were top five, so he's had a top five scoring offense more than half of the time. FOUR of those were THE NUMBER ONE TOTAL OFFENSE in the entire league. Those are just ridiculous ratios of success -- weren't most of you crying about the Steelers needing to improve offensively?

2) Experience. McCarthy paid his dues as he rose through the coaching ranks. He was an offensive quality control guy for 2 seasons when he broke into the NFL at age 30. He spent the next 5 years as a QB coach. He spent another 6 as an offensive coordinator before getting a head coaching job at age 43. He understands the quarterback position. Yeah, the guy is 62 years old. So what? Dick Vermeil was 61 in his first season with the Rams, and went 5-11 and 4-12 before winning the Super Bowl at the age of 63.

3) The Mike McCarthy Is a White Mike Tomlin fallacy. Yeah, McCarthy won a Super Bowl in Green Bay, things got stale, and they fired him in mid-2018 after he went 4-7-1. Fine. The Packers went 2-2 the rest of that year, and have gone 3-6 in the playoffs since. He spends 5 years in Dallas, goes 12-5 in seasons when Dak is healthy, goes 1-3 in the playoffs, then gets fired. Fine. The Cowboys go 7-9-1 in 2025, with Dak. He's put together a long, solid career with an 11-11 record in the playoffs, and at least he's won a postseason game in this decade. Tomlin is 8-12 in the playoffs and hasn't smelled a win since 2016. Unlike MT, McCarthy didn't inherit a stacked team, either. The Packers went 4-12 under Mike Sherman in 2005.

4) Pittsburgh roots. Totally surprising that most of you yinzers are holding the fact that McCarthy is from Pittsburgh against him for some reason. I would have thought that you'd want to welcome back a native son and root for the guy. How is his familiarity with the area a bad thing?

5) No distinctly better options. @tapeANaspirin2it did a pretty nice job of summing it up on page 16 -- which other coaches in this cycle are parade-worthy? The Steelers gave Anthony Weaver a second interview...thank God they didn't hire that guy -- you'd all really have something to bltch about. And for all the guys who were creaming themselves over Chris Shula, you do know that the Rams finished in the bottom half of the league defensively (26th and 17th) during his two years as their DC...right?

Take a deep breath, stop clutching your pearls for a minute, and let's see what kind of staff McCarthy brings in. The defensive coordinator will be key. The biggest thing that does concern me about this hire is whether or not Rodgers returns. Another season with him at QB would be a step backward, in my opinion, and would signal that they hired McCarthy for the wrong reasons.

I really hope you’re right. It just seems like the Steelers puts onus on things that shouldn’t be a priority in hiring a coach. I was very vocal about hating the fact the Steelers prioritized political agendas over hiring the best coach with Tomlin. Now they’re prioritizing the fact McCarthy is from Pittsburgh… like who cares. Hire the best coach.

 

[slashsteel]

Hey everyone let’s give the underwhelming hire a chance golly gee he after all won a SB way back when. I feel so warm and fuzzy.

Let’s ignore the crappy interview process because he might pull a rabbit out of his arse.

Yeah I am the one stupid.

 

[Litos]

I see you took a few digs at fans. If your opinion is solid you shouldn’t need to do that right?

Let’s not pretend his one playoff win is impressive with the Cowboys. Most fans want something more than this. It’s why fans had enough of Tomlin the lack there of. The hire seems more like a probability of that than your suggestions.

Then there is a matter that the whole interview process stunk. If he was such an impressive candidate over Clint and Shula then you should have no problem with good candidates being interviewed right?

Instead of bringing in two Rooney rule coaches and calling it a day..they should have done an extensive search. That is how you find the best candidate for the job . Instead Andy and Omar’s buddy got hired.

So when the Steelers watch these great young minds go on to be more successful than a retread I have a feeling the opinions will change.

Sure there is outcry from the fans because simply the interview process or the lack there of blew chunks.

I understand your point and agree, I think for most fans, the problem is due to the lack of due process. They should have turned over every stone (thanks coolshades), and that includes the coaches still in the playoffs, not just one virtual interview and close ranks with the safest option at hand.

I honestly didn't see Steelhasit as a possible HC option due to lack of experience, but there were several other possibilities, the Kubiaks, Shula, Eviro? Why not listen to them and see if they have what it takes?

That said, many here wanted an OC before another defensive coach and there were slim pickings in that regard, therefore MM should satisfy that need from the Fandom to see the O fixed. So I think McCarthy was a top 3 choice under the realm of possibilities, then you add the lack of QB and WR on the roster and you can clearly see this is not a sexy destination to any coach, especially an offensive minded one.

Maybe the other top choices didn't give a good interview? Maybe they didn't like the roster and informed they are going another way? Maybe they received another handshake offer they couldn't refuse? Maybe McCarthy has a real good plan and is bringing a good DC to complement the staff? So many variables that could accelerate the decision to sign the man so soon.

Is not like they signed Arthur Smith or an over the hill defensive minded coach that never was. At least MM has winning experience and can develop a QB. Is it a slam dunk? No, but is not bad at all.

Again, is the lack of a full process what I think caused such a bad reaction in general. Time will heal this feeling if he brings a good DC.

 

[NoKap#7]

I really hope you’re right. It just seems like the Steelers puts onus on things that shouldn’t be a priority in hiring a coach. I was very vocal about hating the fact the Steelers prioritized political agendas over hiring the best coach with Tomlin. Now they’re prioritizing the fact McCarthy is from Pittsburgh… like who cares. Hire the best coach.

Hiring Tomlin was a political agenda??

 

[slashsteel]

I understand your point and agree, I think for most fans, the problem is due to the lack of due process. They should have turned over every stone (thanks coolshades), and that includes the coaches still in the playoffs, not just one virtual interview and close ranks with the safest option at hand.

I honestly didn't see Steelhasit as a possible HC option due to lack of experience, but there were several other possibilities, the Kubiaks, Shula, Eviro? Why not listen to them and see if they have what it takes?

That said, many here wanted an OC before another defensive coach and there were slim pickings in that regard, therefore MM should satisfy that need from the Fandom to see the O fixed. So I think McCarthy was a top 3 choice under the realm of possibilities, then you add the lack of QB and WR on the roster and you can clearly see this is not a sexy destination to any coach, especially an offensive minded one.

Maybe the other top choices didn't give a good interview? Maybe they didn't like the roster and informed they are going another way? Maybe they received another handshake offer they couldn't refuse? Maybe McCarthy has a real good plan and is bringing a good DC to complement the staff? So many variables that could accelerate the decision to sign the man so soon.

Is not like they signed Arthur Smith or an over the hill defensive minded coach that never was. At least MM has winning experience and can develop a QB. Is it a slam dunk? No, but is not bad at all.

Again, is the lack of a full process what I think caused such a bad reaction in general. Time will heal this feeling if he brings a good DC.

They only interviewed the Rooney rule coaches. They weren’t serious options.

They wanted Mike because Andy and Omar were buddies in Detroit . They are familiar with him.

They didn’t even bring in Shula or Klint.

Klint was my biggest want that in itself was a major fail.

 

[topseed]

A much younger man. Not a man that has hung around for a long time and still only managed the same 1 SB with a QB most feel was even better than BigBen.

If you diss what Mike didn’t do you should be on the same page with BigMike they are the same in that aspect.

Yeah, I forgot: He's the white Tomlin. 19 years with the same team. Gets behind by at least 21 in every playoff game. Won a Super Bowl with somebody else's players. Right.

 

[Litos]

They only interviewed the Rooney rule coaches. They weren’t serious options.

They wanted Mike because Andy and Omar were buddies in Detroit . They are familiar with him.

They didn’t even bring in Shula or Klint.

Klint was my biggest want that in itself was a major fail.

Yeap, that's what I said

 

[slashsteel]

Yeah, I forgot: He's the white Tomlin. 19 years with the same team. Gets behind by at least 21 in every playoff game. Won a Super Bowl with somebody else's players. Right.

His playoff record is 4 and 5 in the last ten years.

With zero SB appearances.

I would think if he was such a great here and now his here and now wouldn’t be mediocre.

 

[slashsteel]

Yeap, that's what I said

I hated it more for them shorting us with a chance of getting an up and comer.

They did an extensive GM search then **** the bed on their first HC search in forever.

 

[topseed]

I am stupid ? I said helped.

Oh excuse me. Their #17 defense has "helped" their #1 offense. My bad.

I am whiny ? because the interview process sucked.

No. It's one thing to disagree with the hire. Most people express their opinion for a few posts, and move on. You've been on every page of this thread bitchlng about it for a day and a half straight. That's whiny.

You are coming across like a big ******** tonight perhaps come back when you aren’t so disrespectful. And can talk football without trying to talk down to others.

Who gives a **** if a poster leaves the D out of a name he has been a good poster for a long time.

Nah. Nothing disrespectful about it. You got your panties in a bunch because you've anointed yourself the alpha hater on this hire, and God forbid somebody comes in on page 18 with a cogent argument which counters your point of view.

Got tired of seeing the guy misspell his name. Simple as that.

 

[Phoenix1172]

McCarthy must have really sold Rooney on his ability to develop Howard.

I'm fine bringing in McCarthy to develop a QB provided you have one to begin with. The problem for me is we have no idea if Howard is the future franchise QB or not.

I could possibly see it if the Steelers had a top two or three pick in the draft and you knew you would be drafting a top rated QB high.

However, to bring in a QB developer without that guy for sure already in place is a little strange.

Maybe they are hoping Rodgers comes back to give Howard a year of development by McCarthy. At that point, they can decide if they need to draft a QB early or not.

I'm really trying to see the silver lining in the hire. At this point, I could care less who the OC ends up bing since McCarthy will control the offense. I'm hoping they get in a top DC. They need to hit big time on the DC.

I'm not excited about the HC decision, but now I'll toe the line and cheer him on hoping for the best. Hopefully, they gave themselves an out after year three just in case

 

[topseed]

His playoff record is 4 and 5 in the last ten years.

With zero SB appearances.

I would think if he was such a great here and now his here and now wouldn’t be mediocre.

What's Tomlin's playoff record in the last ten years?

 

[NoKap#7]

Yes, the harvest impacted everyone not just the sowers. I might take that special ed advice. Seems to be working for you.

Its hard to kick against the pricks huh?? I was wondering why your goofy azz kept acting slow in the comments and then I did research on a lot of your more recent comments regarding Tomlin and it explains why your bytch azz so caught up in what i said. HIT DOGS HOLLER! That also explains all the posturing and acting all sanctimonius with your fake azz acting like you really concerned about the masses when its really about you trying to deflect regarding a post you feel some way about because it applies to you and the others I specifically pointed out.

 

[slashsteel]

Oh excuse me. Their #17 defense has "helped" their #1 offense. My bad.

No. It's one thing to disagree with the hire. Most people express their opinion for a few posts, and move on. You've been on every page of this thread bitchlng about it for a day and a half straight. That's whiny.

Nah. Nothing disrespectful about it. You got your panties in a bunch because you've anointed yourself the alpha hater on this hire, and God forbid somebody comes in on page 18 with a cogent argument which counters your point of view.

Got tired of seeing the guy misspell his name. Simple as that.

That D was pieced together it was like what the lowest paid D in the NFL?

I still like Shula as my second choice who was beat by my first choice. He had a good season despite your criticism.

There is no post limit on debating if you don’t like it go to another thread. If you want to label I will label too which then because a pissing contest right spanky?

You had a good argument?

You didn’t offer anything earth shattering.

His record is a google away from everyone seeing it as well as his last ten years of not good enough.

You can’t deny that nor can you deny the interview process sucked.

 

[slashsteel]

What's Tomlin's playoff record in the last ten years?

It sucked which is why we wanted him gone and wanted something better. Try to keep up.

 

[topseed]

That D was pieced together it was like what the lowest paid D in the NFL?

I still like Shula as my second choice who was beat by my first choice. He had a good season despite your criticism.

Here come the excuses. lol

Hey, look at the bright side...at least they didn't hire Flores. You might have had a complete emotional breakdown.

There is no post limit on debating if you don’t like it go to another thread. If you want to label I will label too which then because a pissing contest right spanky?

You had a good argument?

You didn’t offer anything earth shattering.

His record is a google away from everyone seeing it as well as his last ten years of not good enough.

You can’t deny that nor can you deny the interview process sucked.

Yeah, having a top 5 offense in 10 out of 18 years means nothing. Not 17th or 26th like Shula's D, top 5. Four #1 offenses. Happens all the time.

Bltch away, my man. You're really good at it. Maybe ignore the fact again that they did virtually interview your boy, and cry and whine some more about it. That'd be a good place to start.

 

[topseed]

It sucked which is why we wanted him gone and wanted something better. Try to keep up.

4-5 is better than 2-7 where I went to school. Carry on.