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Somalis / Minnesota

Steeltime said:
The shooting is a problem. Should not have happened. But you need to put the shooting into context and admit what is really going on:
  • You are correct, an officer disarmed the guy.
  • A still photo seems to show that the officer who disarmed the guy hit the trigger and fired the weapon.
  • That gunshot probably triggered (no pun intended) the response by police, shooting the guy.
  • These officers have been out in the freezing cold for six weeks, getting spit on, screamed at, with whistles blown in their faces, garbage thrown at and on them, with multiple assaults and threats every day.
  • The ICE agents are people. How are they expected to react when being abused and threatened for weeks, indeed months?
  • "oH buT ThEiR PrOFeSSeNaLs!" Sure thing. Lets go to the place where the protesters work ... well, the small percentage who have a job ... and rain that abuse down on them. The ICE agents are human, not machines so dismissing the ugliness of these protests is unforgiveable as well.
  • Irresponsible dimwits fan the flames and encourage the protesters to get violent, to become rioters.
  • Those pushing for violence hate this nation and Western culture in general.
  • Their goal is to have citizens shot. That's the whole point. I wrote a post about this months ago in a different thread.
  • Why would anybody have that as a goal? Because the aim is to undercut our faith in government, to tear down the guidelines that used to govern our behavior, to weaken our society in the hopes of destroying it.
  • Sowing chaos in America certainly helps those who hate America.
  • Nobody would pay attention to these protesters if the media did not lap up the story and drown us with videos 24 hours per day.
  • So irresponsible, America-hating nitwits push protesters to get violent, the protesters become violent, the media obsess over these idiots, the protesters face no consequences for blocking streets, spitting on police, and being ******** in general, and a protester is killed. Who the hell is surprised by this? It's the whole damn point of the enterprise.
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Now this is what I pay my paralegal to do. Excellent post.
 
BLITZ said:
I don't think that has anything to do with it. Kicking a taillight and spitting is not punishable by death.
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Agreed.
That’s not why he was shot and killed several days later.
The immediate root cause of his death was Ice agents did not have local law enforcement support to control the crowd and rioters, as federal law-enforcement officers performed their immigration control duties., Which was complicated by him carrying a concealed weapon, and it seems fairly obvious that he did not announce that to the arresting officers.
 
Steelersreign said:
To me the dems and media are better actors then the WWE.
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99% of politics is performative anymore, especially on the left. It's why I don't pay much attention anymore. Politicians don't care about anyone but themselves. Sure, they say the right things, kneel with scarves around their necks and any other number of ludicrous gestures aimed at emotional manipulation. Gotta keep donations and votes rolling in. What surprises me is how many people continue to fall for it. Hook, line and sinker. None of this is new, and people still get hooked like good little suckers on the daily.

And here's something else. The democrats had huge majorities in both houses under Obama. The could have codified Roe v. Wade, eliminated guns in whatever manner they felt necessary among a trove of **** they still whine about these days. But the truth is, they want none of those things. You don't fundraise successfully off of solved problems. You fundraise off of creating problems and blaming the other side for not solving it. SEE: Care, Obama. It's old.
 
 
steel dino said:
Agreed.
That’s not why he was shot and killed several days later.
The immediate root cause of his death was Ice agents did not have local law enforcement support to control the crowd and rioters, as federal law-enforcement officers performed their immigration control duties., Which was complicated by him carrying a concealed weapon, and it seems fairly obvious that he did not announce that to the arresting officers.
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Actually, the root cause is how those criminal aliens ICE was looking for got there in the first place.
 
Hypocycloids said:
I didn’t say it was. I said that I don’t feel sorry for him.
He had plenty to do with his death.
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I didn't mean to imply that you did. Sorry wasn't my intention.
I was just pointing out thatbthen1st incident does not have any bearing on the loss of life.
I am 100% for what ICE is doing. But in this instance I think they went overboard. Still the dudes fault for putting himself there in theb1st place, but jail not the morgue if anything
 
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BLITZ said:
I didn't mean to imply that you did. Sorry wasn't my intention.
I was just pointing out thatbthen1st incident does not have any bearing on the loss of life.
I am 100% for what ICE is doing. But in this instance I think they went overboard. Still the dudes fault for putting himself there in theb1st place, but jail not the morgue if anything
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No problem. I figured afterwards that you may have been speaking in general.
Anyway, take a listen to Zonas post #335.

Excellent take on the added responsibility a conceal carry person has.
He above all others must stay clear of an active police operation.

What most of us saw was the said overreaction by ICE.
What most don’t know is that it was the second time that day he entered a restricted area and it was the second time these frustrated officers had to shove him back on the sidewalk. This time they meant business and unfortunately overreacted.
 
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