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Where is the star power?

Badcat said:
Exactly, it's a matter of perception and judgment. You’ll regularly see wide receivers with strong counting stats (targets, yards, TDs) or advanced metrics (EPA per target, yards per route run) sitting in the middle or even bottom tiers of PFF’s positional rankings. Conversely, some low volume WRs grade very highly because they run limited route trees, see favorable matchups, or happen to avoid “negatively graded” plays, which inflates their efficiency in PFF’s lens but doesn’t match their actual role in the offense. This can lead to situations where a team’s clear WR1 by snaps, routes, and defensive attention is ranked behind their WR3 or a rotational gadget player, simply because the latter had fewer opportunities to accumulate negative grades.

If you want to discuss impact of these bullshit stats like TJ being snubbed for DPOY because Garrett had a higher win rate (almost got there), as an example not only impacts performance bonuses, future contracts, and the player's resume as to whether or not they get into the HoF. Now, obviously TJ and Garrett will get in but what about other players who may not be so lucky because some asshat munching on a Ho Ho hopped up on Monster shades a player with his bias and lowers his grading in areas that cascade to other grades and shows him to be no more than a #3 or #4 level WR.
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Watt- 68tkls, 48 solo, 19 sacks, 36 QBHits, 19TFL, 4FF, 8PD's, 3FR, 1INT
Myle- 42tkls, 32 solo, 14 sacks, 30 QBHits, 17TFL, 4FF, 3PD's, 1FR, 0INT

That's alot of almosts for Garrett.
 
Coryea said:
Never said Wilson played better, but people saying how well Rodgers played or how surprised they were, when they had basically the same passer rating, we had the same record, and got smashed in the first playoff game. He didn't do anything special that makes him a must to bring back at a year older. He doesn't move very well, and doesnt want to take a hit anymore so he's throwing the ball in like 2 seconds.
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He's a must to bring back for them in the moment because there was nothing viable in FA and the draft is the *****. And literally at gym. On the TV was best games of the year. Week 18 vs. Ravens which you can call it what you want it was win or go home. Lamar was as healthy as Rodgers and Rodgers was missing his only big target......how did that one turn out....anyone anyone?
 
SteelerSask2 said:
He's a must to bring back for them in the moment because there was nothing viable in FA and the draft is the *****. And literally at gym. On the TV was best games of the year. Week 18 vs. Ravens which you can call it what you want it was win or go home. Lamar was as healthy as Rodgers and Rodgers was missing his only big target......how did that one turn out....anyone anyone?
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So we're moving the goal posts? It wasn't the post season, Lamar had a QB rating of 121, Rodgers had a rating of 90 in that game. Lamar got the ball with 55 seconds left and drove them into FG range, and their FG kicker missed. Again against a non-playoff team, we won 1 game vs playoff teams last year and that was because NE gave us the ball 6 times and we almost still lost.

How'd the actual post season game go, the one where Stroud fumbled 5 times and threw an INT,......how did that one turn out.......anyone, anyone?

Joe Flacco had a 342 yard game, 3TD's 0int win vs a playoff team last season, does that mean you want him?
 
Any coach would take the best opportunity to win games next season. Period. If that's Joe Flacco so be it. Because that is the difference between people paid to win games and you and I. We can afford to prognosticate about it because it isn't our job. At the beginning of the season who had Pittsburgh beating out the Ravens for the last playoff spot.....really?
So Coryea please supply a list of the QB moves you'd have made this season?
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Any coach would take the best opportunity to win games next season. Period. If that's Joe Flacco so be it. Because that is the difference between people paid to win games and you and I. We can afford to prognosticate about it because it isn't our job. At the beginning of the season who had Pittsburgh beating out the Ravens for the last playoff spot.....really?
So Coryea please supply a list of the QB moves you'd have made this season?
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Alot had us making the playoffs, we just made the playoffs the year before, then we added Rodgers, DK, Gainwell, got our 2024 1st round RT back from injury, added Ramsey, we upgraded our roster. Like I said if there's one game to win and you give me the choice of Rodgers or Wilson, I'm absolutely taking Rodgers, I never said he was bad. I just said he wasn't anything special, and isn't our future, bringing him back to win 9 or 10 games and draft in the early 20's does nothing for us.
I would've went after Willis, or Murray, call about Mac Jones, QB's that are still young and have something to prove, will any of those 3 turn into good QB's, doubtful, but there's a chance they could, Rodgers has zero chance. You bring in one of those guys and they suck, you bench them with no drama and see what Howard can do.
 
I would say outside of Murray which Id want nothing to do with everyone on that list comes with long term implications. Mac Jones would require a trade. Willis would eat a ton of cap with very few starts under his belt. In fact he'd be a 39 million dollar cap casualty in 2027.
 
Willis is getting 22 per I think, Mac Jones would probably cost a 4th, but it's the most important position in sports, you have to take some chances.
 
Coryea said:
Willis is getting 22 per I think, Mac Jones would probably cost a 4th, but it's the most important position in sports, you have to take some chances.
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The problem with Willis is its the 39 million next year if he fails. And sign me up for Mac Jones for a 4th. Considering Purdy's durability I dont think that is happening.
 
And so we can end this discussion. I dont really disagree that Rodgers is a dead end. However, as I said people with jobs on the line and requiring success. He is in mu mind the best available for next year. Trades and FAs are theoretical to some extent. And there isn't a hell of a lot anyhow. Maybe best case scenario we get a real look at Will Howard. If he is not promoted to 2nd string I think that will be a terrible decision.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
And so we can end this discussion. I dont really disagree that Rodgers is a dead end. However, as I said people with jobs on the line and requiring success. He is in mu mind the best available for next year. Trades and FAs are theoretical to some extent. And there isn't a hell of a lot anyhow. Maybe best case scenario we get a real look at Will Howard. If he is not promoted to 2nd string I think that will be a terrible decision.
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Ben was 39 when he retired, alot said he was holding this franchise back from finding the next guy playing at that age. Now 5 damn years later, and we're getting ready to start a second season with a QB OLDER than Ben was when he retired and alot of fans seem to be fine with that. It's maddening and pathetic. We all laugh at the Browns and their QB situation for years, well we've had what 6 or 7 different starting QB's in the last 5 years.
 
Coryea said:
Ben was 39 when he retired, alot said he was holding this franchise back from finding the next guy playing at that age. Now 5 damn years later, and we're getting ready to start a second season with a QB OLDER than Ben was when he retired and alot of fans seem to be fine with that. It's maddening and pathetic. We all laugh at the Browns and their QB situation for years, well we've had what 6 or 7 different starting QB's in the last 5 years.
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This was all Tomlin and recovering from the failed Pickett draft pick (which was Colbert). When it comes to QB, Tomlin and Colbert ARE as bad as the Browns. Roehtlisberger wasn't even a Colbert pick, Dan Rooney ultimately pulled the trigger on that. And Colbert lived on the coat tails of that decision for his entire career.

I have no idea what the new staff is going to do. But jesus, if they decide 2026 kind of sucks for QB's (and it does), how is it BAD that they are smartly deciding not for force anything now?

This isn't instant gratification. Not with the choices we have in 2026.

The whole point of the McCarthy experiment and his 5-year contract (really a 4-year contract) is to say "Can you change the QB situation so we aren't the Browns 4 years from now?"

If we are still the Browns in 2030, then hiring McCarthy is a failure and that decision falls back on Art Rooney II (and honestly it was his failure not to fire Tomlin sooner). The buck eventually ends at the top and that is ownership.

But we as fans aren't even CLOSE to being able to grade this tenure yet. It's just way, way too soon.
 
deljzc said:
This was all Tomlin and recovering from the failed Pickett draft pick (which was Colbert). When it comes to QB, Tomlin and Colbert ARE as bad as the Browns. Roehtlisberger wasn't even a Colbert pick, Dan Rooney ultimately pulled the trigger on that. And Colbert lived on the coat tails of that decision for his entire career.

I have no idea what the new staff is going to do. But jesus, if they decide 2026 kind of sucks for QB's (and it does), how is it BAD that they are smartly deciding not for force anything now?

This isn't instant gratification. Not with the choices we have in 2026.

The whole point of the McCarthy experiment and his 5-year contract (really a 4-year contract) is to say "Can you change the QB situation so we aren't the Browns 4 years from now?"

If we are still the Browns in 2030, then hiring McCarthy is a failure and that decision falls back on Art Rooney II (and honestly it was his failure not to fire Tomlin sooner). The buck eventually ends at the top and that is ownership.

But we as fans aren't even CLOSE to being able to grade this tenure yet. It's just way, way too soon.
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I can't ever put the Pickett draft pick on Colbert, The Steelers knew he was retiring after that draft, so there is 0 chance they were going to allow him to make the pick of the supposed next franchise guy when he was leaving over the HC that has been there since 07, and was going to be there as long as he wanted, who already had his hands in everything. If Tomlin didn't want Pickett, that selection is never made. Colbert had some ****** drafts, but Pickett wasn't his guy.
 
Coryea said:
I can't ever put the Pickett draft pick on Colbert, The Steelers knew he was retiring after that draft, so there is 0 chance they were going to allow him to make the pick of the supposed next franchise guy when he was leaving over the HC that has been there since 07, and was going to be there as long as he wanted, who already had his hands in everything. If Tomlin didn't want Pickett, that selection is never made. Colbert had some ****** drafts, but Pickett wasn't his guy.
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That was exactly the narrative at the time. That colbert wanted picket to be his swan song. His parting gift.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
That was exactly the narrative at the time. That colbert wanted picket to be his swan song. His parting gift.
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Art or Tomlin would never take Pickett because Colbert wanted him, Tomlin wanted him or they don't take Pickett. That was the year Tomlin was going over the top on Willis, taking him out for wings, etc, he was trying to make everyone think that was our guy
 
Well this decision was why colbert waited to leave after the draft even though kahn was already slated for the job
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Well this decision was why colbert waited to leave after the draft even though kahn was already slated for the job
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This is total nonsense, Colbert did not unilaterally draft Kenny. Tomlin was the one who giddily called players with "we got our guy" after the pick and said they only spent 15 seconds on the clock because they didn't expect him to be available.

You must have an insanely low opinion of MT to think he'd have no say in his next QB and let a lame duck GM hand pick him in a vacuum.

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/202...ns-guy-soon-hell-be-the-steelers-starter.html
 
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WindyCitySteel said:
This is total nonsense, Colbert did not unilaterally draft Kenny. Tomlin was the one who giddily called players with "we got our guy" after the pick and said they only spent 15 seconds on the clock because they didn't expect him to be available.

You must have an insanely low opinion of MT to think he'd have no say in his next QB and let a lame duck GM hand pick him in a vacuum.

https://www.pennlive.com/sports/202...ns-guy-soon-hell-be-the-steelers-starter.html
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no its not.. Its exactly as it was.
 



The Steelers are going with Kevin Colbert through the 2022 NFL Draft because the NFL Draft is a year in the making, and the vast majority of the work is done. If the Steelers bring in a new general manager from outside the team and put him in charge of the draft, they will either need to catch up on almost a year’s worth of work, let Mike Tomlin run the draft on his own, or draft for the Steelers without really knowing what the Steelers need from the players they draft. Drafting talented players that don’t fit what the Steelers are doing isn’t going to help this team improve. That’s why the Steelers are sticking with Colbert. And if the next GM’s desire to win is bigger than his ego, he’ll find a role for Kevin Colbert in his staff and have a mentor for how to run the Steelers organization the right way.




Colbert has reportedly wanted to leave the Steelers with the franchise in a position to continue to have success following his departure. While Roethlisberger's retirement leaves a vacancy at quarterback, the Steelers are coming off a season that saw them clinch a wild card berth with a 9-7-1 record.




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Kevin Colbert: "We're super, super excited to draft Kenny Pickett. Honestly, I never thought he would make it to our pick."
 

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Kevin Colbert is ready to get on with the next chapter of his life.

The longtime Pittsburgh Steelers general manager has one more massive item left to do before stepping down in May: find a replacement for Ben Roethlisberger.

While Colbert said Monday that longtime backup Mason Rudolph would be the starting quarterback if the season began next week, he anticipates adding some competition to the mix in the coming months through either the draft or free agency or perhaps a mix of both.



Colbert stressed the front office and coaching staff have “confidence” in Rudolph and are “excited to see what's next” and praised Dwayne Haskins, who “did some nice things” in practice and exhibition games during his first year with the club.


However Colbert acknowledged there will likely be one or two more players thrown into the mix by the time organized team activities begin in May.

The Steelers have the 20th overall pick in the draft following a 9-7-1 season that ended with a blowout loss to Kansas City in the opening round of the playoffs. While Colbert allowed the depth of this year's incoming quarterback class is thin by comparison, he believes there is quality at the top end, a group that includes former Pitt star Kenny Pickett.

Colbert and Steelers coach Mike Tomlin got a chance to monitor Pickett regularly during his five seasons with the Panthers — who share a practice facility with the Steelers — and took an up-close look at Pickett at the Senior Bowl. Colbert praised Pickett's progress, but pointed out the top end of the quarterback class provides a unique mix.



Pickett is more of a traditional pocket passer — though he can certainly make plays with his legs as evidenced by his 58-yard touchdown run in the ACC championship game against Wake Forest — while North Carolina's Sam Howell, Ole Miss' Matt Corral and Liberty's Malik Willis each bring a different dynamic to the position.
 

Kevin Colbert: Steelers GM Says Team Will Acquire A QB​

February 21, 2022 / 12:43 PM EST / CBS Pittsburgh
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By: KDKA-TV News Staff

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) -- Outgoing Steelers GM Kevin Colbert riffed on a range of topics during a meeting Monday with several sports media members, including KDKA-TV's Rich Walsh.

One thing every Steelers fan wants to know is who the quarterback will be next season following Ben Roethlisberger's retirement.

Colbert said the team definitely will add a quarterback, but whether it's a draft pick or a free-agent acquisition remains to be determined.

Colbert, who plans to step down after the NFL Draft in April, said the team will be looking for a quarterback with an "accurate" arm.
 
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The Steelers are going with Kevin Colbert through the 2022 NFL Draft because the NFL Draft is a year in the making, and the vast majority of the work is done. If the Steelers bring in a new general manager from outside the team and put him in charge of the draft, they will either need to catch up on almost a year’s worth of work, let Mike Tomlin run the draft on his own, or draft for the Steelers without really knowing what the Steelers need from the players they draft. Drafting talented players that don’t fit what the Steelers are doing isn’t going to help this team improve. That’s why the Steelers are sticking with Colbert. And if the next GM’s desire to win is bigger than his ego, he’ll find a role for Kevin Colbert in his staff and have a mentor for how to run the Steelers organization the right way.




Colbert has reportedly wanted to leave the Steelers with the franchise in a position to continue to have success following his departure. While Roethlisberger's retirement leaves a vacancy at quarterback, the Steelers are coming off a season that saw them clinch a wild card berth with a 9-7-1 record.




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Kevin Colbert: "We're super, super excited to draft Kenny Pickett. Honestly, I never thought he would make it to our pick."
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None of that suggests he acted alone or unilateraly.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:

Kevin Colbert: Steelers GM Says Team Will Acquire A QB​

February 21, 2022 / 12:43 PM EST / CBS Pittsburgh
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By: KDKA-TV News Staff

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) -- Outgoing Steelers GM Kevin Colbert riffed on a range of topics during a meeting Monday with several sports media members, including KDKA-TV's Rich Walsh.

One thing every Steelers fan wants to know is who the quarterback will be next season following Ben Roethlisberger's retirement.

Colbert said the team definitely will add a quarterback, but whether it's a draft pick or a free-agent acquisition remains to be determined.

Colbert, who plans to step down after the NFL Draft in April, said the team will be looking for a quarterback with an "accurate" arm.
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Again, none of it says he acted in a vacuum. It even says THE TEAM will add a QB and it could be a draft pick or a free agent. They added Trubisky, too.

The material I posted was evidence Tomlin was heavily involved. Tomlin's own words vs. your media speculation.
 
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