Vrabel stepping away from day 3

[Litos]

I dont if youre genuinely dumb, or you just pretend to be. Ill just say this...when words dont match actions there should be a level of concern not to be taken lightly. Im noticing a level of hypocrisy thats starting to creep up among your whole entire crew.

**** that and **** you, I don't have to prove my thoughts to you of all people.

At least you don't disagree Tomlin sucks at gameplanning, because he sucks a big fat dick regarding coaching x & o's skills

 

[NoKap#7]

**** that and **** you, I don't have to prove my thoughts to you of all people.

At least you don't disagree Tomlin sucks at gameplanning, because he sucks a big fat dick regarding coaching x & o's skills

I didnt disagree with you regarding the xs and os because its a legitimate opinion you're entitled too. There's no distastefulness regarding your opinion of his gameplanning skills. I dont agree because19 non losing seasons seem to defy that logic, regardless of what you think of the 19. Numbers dont lie in this instance. You can call it anything you want, but you cant call it a coincidence

Like I said in the edited version of my previous comment...there's a difference between standing on business and being ten toes down about something and then saying what you said in this thread even so much as to entertain discovery of additional rumor mill news.

 

[slashsteel]

Old posts?? All those comments were made within the last couple of weeks and its not just this thread. You going senile already?? The BS so piled up in your brain you cant think straight? Besides that opinions dont apply to me when discussing "the latest tea" since I dont give energy to rumors like a bunch of cackling bytches.

A bunch of gross azz men spreading gossip/rumor milling on the internet (or in any setting) like y'all auditioning for a seat on the "The View" should be against man code. You would have thought y'all would have learned your lesson from the Kordell Stewart situation, but yet here y'all are. Y'all just dont give a s*** and it shows.

Tomlin having everything here...at least in the last several seasons, is not an opinion. It's a flat out lie and yall know it.

You like your men less gross I get it. Perhaps look on another site maybe you will find one.

Listen twatwaffle if it is reported people will talk about it. This is a message board.

It isn’t like people talk about it daily so obviously it wasn’t persistent. Yeah it is old as most have already moved on from it but here you are still in your feelings.

A flat out lie? One of the females that talked about it sure strongly believes it. So perhaps you are just letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

You know girl like behavior. Get over it.

 

[NoKap#7]

You like your men less gross I get it. Perhaps look on another site maybe you will find one.

Listen twatwaffle if it is reported people will talk about it. This is a message board.

It isn’t like people talk about it daily so obviously it wasn’t persistent. Yeah it is old as most have already moved on from it but here you are still in your feelings.

A flat out lie? One of the females that talked about it sure strongly believes it. So perhaps you are just letting your emotions cloud your judgement.

You know girl like behavior. Get over it.

If she believes it why hasnt she gone to TMZ or a credible source about it , or any of you for that matter? There's tons of money in it. The Steelers organization definitely needs to know because it could nullify any talk of compensation if he ever decides to get back into coaching again.

You're talking about get over it. Tell Kordell Stewart that. Its like you guys are totally desensitized to walking in other people's shoes. This guy didnt bring us the number of SBs we wanted...let's pray for his downfall and try to ruin his life. You dont see something wrong with that??

 

[slashsteel]

If she believes it why hasnt she gone to TMZ or a credible source about it , or any of you for that matter? There's tons of money in it.

You're talking about get over it. Tell Kordell Stewart that.

I am sure people have to be careful what they bring to TMZ due to legal risks. Perhaps some aren’t interested in gaining something from the report. Many reasons people don’t elevate events. Kordell didn’t have multiple reports backing up his allegations with pictures. His was just a singular rumor. This one came with reports from multiple people and pictures with said girl.

A pretty significant difference and a bad comparison.

 

[Litos]

I didnt disagree with you regarding the xs and os because its a legitimate opinion you're entitled too. There's no distastefulness regarding your opinion of his gameplanning skills. I dont agree because19 non losing seasons seem to defy that logic, regardless of what you think of the 19. Numbers dont lie in this instance. You can call it anything you want, but you cant call it a coincidence

he can thank Big Ben for most of the success. Then the last years, yeah kudos to him for keeping the team barely above average at the cost of not looking for a new franchise QB and keeping the team in a loop of mediocrity.

Like I said in the edited version of my previous comment...there's a difference between standing on business and being ten toes down about something and then saying what you said in this thread even so much as to entertain discovery of additional rumor mill news.

again and for the last time, I don't believe the rumors are true and I'd still would ask Tomlin for his signature if I ever cross path with him. You can either believe me or not, I really dgaf as I already think you have issues and I shouldn't engage in discussion with people in need of help.

 

[Drink IRON City]

They have a QB

A little insight to everything is that Tomlin had the most power, it would be his inability to not have a QB.

Tomlin had the most free power to acquire said QB, but wasn't able to secure it (inability to obtain and develop).

Here we go on a 15 + post on how little I know, how lacking in knowledge I am, POS may come into play, lack of acumen,
disgrace to the message board, no insight or receipts, abnormal weather, drought like conditions, River flowing at normal level,
gasoline prices soaring, all my fault and to my credit.

The point in that post was that it is highly doubtful any other team would give him a better chance to succeed than he got here in Pittsburgh.

Coryea, you know dang good and well were this is headed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




Salute the nation

 

[NoKap#7]

I am sure people have to be careful what they bring to TMZ due to legal risks. Perhaps some aren’t interested in gaining something from the report. Many reasons people don’t elevate events. Kordell didn’t have multiple reports backing up his allegations with pictures. His was just a singular rumor. This one came with reports from multiple people and pictures with said girl.

A pretty significant difference and a bad comparison.

There's zero legal risks if its true coming from a person who has no NDA or confidential relationship with the parties involved....and if there wasn't interest in gaining something from it they would never have put it out there to begin with. I dont know if anybody who doesn't do something for nothing.

There's tons of people with celebrity status who have been exposed (Pitino, Watson, Vrabel). If there was truly any fire where there's smoke regarding the Tomlin he would have been exposed by now...no doubt in my mind.

 

[slashsteel]

There's zero legal risks if its true coming from a person who has no NDA or confidential relationship with the parties involved....and if there wasn't interest in gaining something from it they would never have put it out there to begin with. I dont know if anybody who doesn't do something for nothing.

There's tons of people with celebrity status who have been exposed (Pitino, Watson, Vrabel). If there was truly any fire where there's smoke regarding the Tomlin he would have been exposed by now...no doubt in my mind.

In your mind sure.

 

[Drink IRON City]

In your mind sure.

"Running on empty" I think Jackson Brown was responsible for that tune.....................




Salute the nation

 

[Coryea]

A little insight to everything is that Tomlin had the most power, it would be his inability to not have a QB.

Tomlin had the most free power to acquire said QB, but wasn't able to secure it (inability to obtain and develop).

Here we go on a 15 + post on how little I know, how lacking in knowledge I am, POS may come into play, lack of acumen,
disgrace to the message board, no insight or receipts, abnormal weather, drought like conditions, River flowing at normal level,
gasoline prices soaring, all my fault and to my credit.

The point in that post was that it is highly doubtful any other team would give him a better chance to succeed than he got here in Pittsburgh.

Coryea, you know dang good and well were this is headed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,




Salute the nation

No team would've hung on as long as Pittsburgh did, agreed.

I don't think he'll go to NE, just saying they have the one thing he never had to find, and the one thing he never could find or develop, and that's the most important position, QB.

 

[BLITZ]

Who cares if Tomlin had an affair. That is his personal life.

It was time for him to go. Wish him well. Hope he fails at the TV deal just so he has to coach again and the Steelers get compensation

 

[fedderone]

I know azzholes like y'all pray for his downfall daily so this comes as no surprise as a post of each member of the hating azz DICskr crew formerly known as "the mean girls" piles it on in the comments in their daily circle jerk. Its ironic how yall couldnt wait for him to leave but yet cant keep his balls outta yall mouth now that he's gone. Rent free mind occupation should be a sickness. Yet another thread where's he not the topic, but yall determined to make him the topic at the expense of putting him in a bad light....unwarranted mind you.

By the way DIChead i missed the franchise QB that existed the last 7 seasons here. What was his name since you said he had everything?? Not to mention I thought we were complaining about the lack of talent in the wide receiving room the last two seasons minimum... but, he had everything right?

Not a quarter of the way, halfway, or even three quarters of the way.
But if you could go ahead and fukc all the way off, that'd be great.

ONLY having a franchise QB makes a coach successful?
NO coach has EVER succeeded without a franchise QB?
Last I checked, football is a team sport. 53 players and an entire coaching staff.

It's the head coach and coaching staff's responsibility to scheme, make adjustments, implement their offense, defense, and special teams.
For almost 20 years, Tomlin more than proved he was inadequate and inept at any of these things.
His silver tongue and natural charisma fooled everyone into getting him the job.
Once he jettisoned all of Cowher's staff and players, and had only his staff and players to execute, he failed and failed miserably for over a decade.
And speaking of franchise QBs, he wasted FRANCHISE QB Ben Roethlisberger's prime years.
Wasted Cam Heyward, TJ Watt, Antonio Brown, Le'Veon Bell, and countless other All Pros, ProBowlers, and stars.

Retard McMoron Coolshades doesn't live rent free in our heads.
Us pointing out his incompetence and his continuous failures is fair and deserved.
Go back in history and look at my posts from Tomlin's first 5 years.
I VEHEMENTLY defended Tomlin and told everyone complaining about him they were kneejerk reacting and to let him get all his players and coaches in.
I ate my crow, came hat in hand, and apologized to everyone for not seeing what they saw sooner than I did.

I understand that to you, Tomlin is the greatest coach ever because he had cool analogies and catchphrases and everyone loved him because he was charismatic and positive energy.
I'll take an assshole coach that knows the sport and can teach the sport over the loveable loser EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Tomlin is the epitome of the phrase nice guys finish last.
The NFL is a business and he has ZERO business being a coach of any kind in it.
And I can't wait to see him look like Emmitt Smith on commentary.

 

[fedderone]

Old posts?? All those comments were made within the last couple of weeks and its not just this thread. You going senile already?? The BS so piled up in your brain you cant think straight? Besides that opinions dont apply to me when discussing "the latest tea" since I dont give energy to rumors like a bunch of cackling bytches.

A bunch of gross azz men spreading gossip/rumor milling on the internet (or in any setting) like y'all auditioning for a seat on the "The View" should be against man code. You would have thought y'all would have learned your lesson from the Kordell Stewart situation, but yet here y'all are. Y'all just dont give a s*** and it shows.

Tomlin having everything here...at least in the last several seasons, is not an opinion. It's a flat out lie and yall know it.

Tell me about Tomlin NOT having everything from 2010 - 2020.

 

[Steelmann]

Tomlin having everything here...at least in the last several seasons, is not an opinion. It's a flat out lie and yall know it.

I’ve never quite understood this defense of CMT. He (along with Kahn) are the guys responsible for putting the players on the field. And we all know who had the last say. So in fact “Tomlin having everything here” is of course his responsibility. I would suggest that it was longer than the last several seasons.
We all knew he built a decent team. But anyone with any football brains at all had hope…..but knew in their hearts there was no way in hell they were doing anything whatsoever in the season that counts. They got absolutely humiliated in everything after 2010.
If there is ever a statue of CMT put outside the stadium it should be made of Fool’s Gold.

 

[NoKap#7]

I’ve never quite understood this defense of CMT. He (along with Kahn) are the guys responsible for putting the players on the field. And we all know who had the last say. So in fact “Tomlin having everything here” is of course his responsibility. I would suggest that it was longer than the last several seasons.
We all knew he built a decent team. But anyone with any football brains at all had hope…..but knew in their hearts there was no way in hell they were doing anything whatsoever in the season that counts. They got absolutely humiliated in everything after 2010.
If there is ever a statue of CMT put outside the stadium it should be made of Fool’s Gold.

I always believe GMs have the last say if thats what they are hired to do is put a team together unless otherwise stated (i.e. Harbaugh and Giants). They have a reputation to uphold just like anybody else and i would hopefully assume like to be recognized as having put HOF talent on the field and put together championship teams so that they themselves would one day become HOFs. Who wants someone else getting credit for their hard work??

I do agree that im not entirely sure Tomlin could have developed a QB, but g-whiz give him something to work with. Outside of Ben he's basically been sacked with scrap which is proven by the fact these same QBs have not been able to develop in other places (i.e. Pickett, Rudolph, Mitch, Skylar, Duck Hodges). I mean do we really want to hedge the idea he couldnt develop a QB based upon the history and talent level of these guys??

 

[NoKap#7]

Tell me about Tomlin NOT having everything from 2010 - 2020.

Post in thread 'Game Balls, Game Goats & FU's...........week 1 @ J-E-T-S.....JETS, JETS, JETS!' https://www.steelernationforum.com/...k-1-j-e-t-s-jets-jets-jets.78777/post-1289210

 

[fedderone]

Post in thread 'Game Balls, Game Goats & FU's...........week 1 @ J-E-T-S.....JETS, JETS, JETS!' https://www.steelernationforum.com/...k-1-j-e-t-s-jets-jets-jets.78777/post-1289210

Please, enlighten us with GREATNESS of the Joe Gibbs with Joe Thiesmann, or Mark Rypien, or Doug Williams.
Or how about Mike Ditka and Jim McMahon?
Bill Parcels and Jeff Hostetler?
How about Brian Billick and Trent Dilfer?
How about Jon Gruden and Brad Johnson?
John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco?
Still no? How about Doug Pederson and Nick Foles?
Mike McDonald and Sam Darnold anyone?

How are all of these possible without franchise QBs?!
It's insanity.

 

[NoKap#7]

Please, enlighten us with GREATNESS of the Joe Gibbs with Joe Thiesmann, or Mark Rypien, or Doug Williams.
Or how about Mike Ditka and Jim McMahon?
Bill Parcels and Jeff Hostetler?
How about Brian Billick and Trent Dilfer?
How about Jon Gruden and Brad Johnson?
John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco?
Still no? How about Doug Pederson and Nick Foles?
Mike McDonald and Sam Darnold anyone?

How are all of these possible without franchise QBs?!
It's insanity.

Which of these guys (Pickett, Rudolph, Mitch, Skylar, Duck Hodges, past prime shell of himself Russell Wilson) are you taking over any of those guys??

If you want to throw guys out there who played with top 5 all time great defenses thats fine, but please make sure you acknowledge that and not act like these guys put the teams on their back to championships. You honestly think Tomlin couldnt have won a SB with old AR, or even 2019-2020 noodle arm Ben with the 85 Bears defense or the 2000 Baltimore Ravens?? I mean be for real.

 

[Steelmann]

I do agree that im not entirely sure Tomlin could have developed a QB, but g-whiz give him something to work with. Outside of Ben he's basically been sacked with scrap which is proven by the fact these same QBs have not been able to develop in other places (i.e. Pickett, Rudolph, Mitch, Skylar, Duck Hodges). I mean do we really want to hedge the idea he couldnt develop a QB based upon the history and talent level of these guys??

The thing is……I truly believe he was fully responsible for getting Mitch,Kenny,Mason,Justin Fields,Russ Wilson, Dwayne Haskins,Aaron Rodgers,and last but certainly not least that ******* dog murderer Micheal Vick. So while you lament the talent
(“Scrap heap “) he is the one that brought these QB’s to the table. His responsibility.

I have many posts on this site talking about what I think a GM’s power should be. I’ve always believed a GM in any sport should have the power to hire and fire a coach. I believe a GM should have a full 4-5 years to build a team. I believe a GM should have final say in FA’s and drafts. Obviously in consultation with your HC. I have no problem with a HC bringing in his own staff.

I think the problem the Steelers had was CMT was given far too much power. And I certainly don’t believe he had the talent to do it. Ultimately Rooney is to blame for this. I think there was complacency and lack of accountability.

You seem to not like the fact that CMT is brought up under discussion on a Steelers Forum. Get used to it. He was HC for 18 years,and has been removed less than 6 months. Of course people are going to yap about him. We still talk about Bill too.

 

[NoKap#7]

The thing is……I truly believe he was fully responsible for getting Mitch,Kenny,Mason,Justin Fields,Russ Wilson, Dwayne Haskins,Aaron Rodgers,and last but certainly not least that ******* dog murderer Micheal Vick. So while you lament the talent
(“Scrap heap “) he is the one that brought these QB’s to the table. His responsibility.

I have many posts on this site talking about what I think a GM’s power should be. I’ve always believed a GM in any sport should have the power to hire and fire a coach. I believe a GM should have a full 4-5 years to build a team. I believe a GM should have final say in FA’s and drafts. Obviously in consultation with your HC. I have no problem with a HC bringing in his own staff.

I think the problem the Steelers had was CMT was given far too much power. And I certainly don’t believe he had the talent to do it. Ultimately Rooney is to blame for this. I think there was complacency and lack of accountability.

You seem to not like the fact that CMT is brought up under discussion on a Steelers Forum. Get used to it. He was HC for 18 years,and has been removed less than 6 months. Of course people are going to yap about him. We still talk about Bill too.

I dont have a problem at all with people bringing up CMT...its the blaming him for if your dog dies that I dont get. Its the coming out and spreading rumors and launching attacks on his personal life because you have a certain disdain or despise the way he coached the team over the last couple of decades that bothers me. Its people who cant separate a game from reality and have made it personal. Thats what I dont get. As long as you're making statements that can at least be substantiated by facts...or opinions that stay within the boundaries of the football field im fine. It should never and has no reason to go beyond that.

I dont know if people are betting their life's possessions on these games or what, but its weirds me out some of these comments. I understand passion, but these comments are beyond passion. You never know what people are motivated by, or influenced by so Im just hoping people keep it sweet. If you dont like him thats your business, but maybe im just different and feel there needs to be a certain level of respect regardless of how you feel about someone...especially in this case where someone doesnt have a voice.

 

[fedderone]

Which of these guys (Pickett, Rudolph, Mitch, Skylar, Duck Hodges, past prime shell of himself Russell Wilson) are you taking over any of those guys??

If you want to throw guys out there who played with top 5 all time great defenses thats fine, but please make sure you acknowledge that and not act like these guys put the teams on their back to championships.

That's not your original argument, so please don't move the goalposts or change the argument.

But for grins and giggles, how about you tell me how the obviously inferior coaches Noll and Cowher won MULTIPLE playoff games with the juggernaut perennial All Pros and HOFers Bubby Brister, Todd Blackledge, Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox?

Or how about how many playoff wins does Tomlin have with Ben Roethlisberger as his QB post 2011 SB vs GB ( which would also coincide with no more Arians, LeBeau, and aged out Cowher players )?
The answer to that riddle is 3.
So I guess Big Biker Ben was washed by and a shell of himself by age 29 and Tomlin miracle'd those 3 playoff victories in spite of Ben.

Lastly, why are former players and opponents CONSTANTLY dogging Tomlin for predictability and redundancy with no adjustments?
Must be all those journeyman QBs and green stickered linebackers audible-ing out of Tomlin's obviously superior playcalling and Fing up his game plan.
GTFOH!

 

[NoKap#7]

That's not your original argument, so please don't move the goalposts or change the argument.

But for grins and giggles, how about you tell me how the obviously inferior coaches Noll and Cowher won MULTIPLE playoff games with the juggernaut perennial All Pros and HOFers Bubby Brister, Todd Blackledge, Neil O'Donnell, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox?

Or how about how many playoff wins does Tomlin have with Ben Roethlisberger as his QB post 2011 SB vs GB ( which would also coincide with no more Arians, LeBeau, and aged out Cowher players )?
The answer to that riddle is 3.
So I guess Big Biker Ben was washed by and a shell of himself by age 29 and Tomlin miracle'd those 3 playoff victories in spite of Ben.

Lastly, why are former players and opponents CONSTANTLY dogging Tomlin for predictability and redundancy with no adjustments?
Must be all those journeyman QBs and green stickered linebackers audible-ing out of Tomlin's obviously superior playcalling and Fing up his game plan.
GTFOH!

I dont get what you mean when you say thats not my original argument so i dont know what goalposts i would have moved?? I mean if you want to get into why there was far less success post 2011 then we have to get into discussions about the drafts, but I dont blame him for the drafts...you do. So there's a conundrum

I have acknowledged and continue to acknowledge that he was horrible at picking coordinators and a lot of assistant coaches, but the fact he was able to go all those season w/o a losing record considering players and coaches alike is somewhat crazy to me. If he just knew how to pick coordinators I dint think we're having these conversations, but it is what it is.

 

[Litos]

I dont get what you mean when you say thats not my original argument so i dont know what goalposts i would have moved?? I mean if you want to get into why there was far less success post 2011 then we have to get into discussions about the drafts, but I dont blame him for the drafts...you do. So there's a conundrum

I have acknowledged and continue to acknowledge that he was horrible at picking coordinators and a lot of assistant coaches, but the fact he was able to go all those season w/o a losing record considering players and coaches alike is somewhat crazy to me. If he just knew how to pick coordinators I dint think we're having these conversations, but it is what it is.

he knew how to pick them, he got a fine collection of muppets that did what he say, no input but his. Just ask HoF LeBeau why he left.

 

[fedderone]

I dont get what you mean when you say thats not my original argument so i dont know what goalposts i would have moved?? I mean if you want to get into why there was far less success post 2011 then we have to get into discussions about the drafts, but I dont blame him for the drafts...you do. So there's a conundrum

I have acknowledged and continue to acknowledge that he was horrible at picking coordinators and a lot of assistant coaches, but the fact he was able to go all those season w/o a losing record considering players and coaches alike is somewhat crazy to me. If he just knew how to pick coordinators I dint think we're having these conversations, but it is what it is.

Are you going to acknowledge and continue to acknowledge that he was also horrible at :

1) Gameplanning for each opponent differently and separately
2) Making halftime adjustments
3) Making in game adjustments
4) Putting players in position to succeed
5) Drafting and putting players in their correct and natural position
6) Letting his coaches coach/gameplan/scheme/playcall

So if we're to understand you correctly, the Steelers organization as a whole is a clown show that Tomlin found success coaching despite all the ineptness around him? The QBs, the owners, the GMs, the assistant coaches, etc. Basically, everyone but him. Right?
It's not possible the most stable and patient organization on the planet hid his flaws and propped him up.....?
Noll in the 80s and Cowher in the 90s did more with less. Got the most out of their players. Overachieved in a lot of those years.
Tomlin wasted talent. Let the inmates run the asylum. Allowed the circus to go on and lost control of the locker room.
Former players and opposing players calling out his lack of football IQ.
The worst I've heard EVER about Noll and/or Cowher was Terry Bradshaw's statements about Noll because Noll wouldn't give him a hug or be his friend.