Religion of Peace question

[Ironcitysteelers]

Fallen Marines identified

Lance Cpl Skip Wells, 21, just finished boot camp

Gunny Thomas J. Sullivan, 40

Staff Sgt David Wyatt

Sgt Carson Holmquist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ooga-shooting-gunman-Muhammad-Abdulazeez.html

Damn that one kid looks like a baby.

 

[hamster]

Christians model themselves after Christ.
Muslims model themselves after Mohamed.

That should end the Islam vs Christianity debate.

It boggles my mind, that it's been almost 15 years since 9-11, and there are still people that don't understand the Islamic threat.

 

[Steelerfan]

Attacker identified in shooting on military installations that killed 4 Marines

A U.S. official says the gunman in the shootings in Tennessee has been identified as 24-year-old Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, according to the Associated Press.

He was believed to have been born in Kuwait, and it was unclear whether he was a U.S. or Kuwaiti citizen. The official was speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing, sensitive investigation. It was not immediately clear whether the gunman's first name was spelled Muhammad or Mohammad.

Abdulazeez is from Hixson, Tennessee, which is just a few miles across the river from Chattanooga. He was booked for a DUI in April 2015.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...hat-we-know-about-chattanooga-shooter/315002/

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Semper fi

His sister just took down her Facebook page

“There’s this misconception that Islam is a violent religion. Muslims are actually peaceful.”

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...im-teens-seek-acceptance-understanding/34453/

From left to right, back row: hit, dead, hit
From left to right, front row: hit, pass, must-be-proud, hit

 

[Rod Farva]

Where does hatred start?

In the home evidently.......

"In February 2009, the gunman’s mother, Rasmia Ibrahim Abdulazeez, filed for divorce from his father. In court documents she said her husband repeatedly beat and assaulted her and their five children and threatened to take a second wife, “as permitted under certain circumstances under Islamic Law.”

According to Hamilton County court records filed in Chattanooga, Rasmia said at one point she was hurt “so severely that she fled the marital home and went to a crisis center.”




Chattanooga shooting scene
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Investigators peer into the recruiting center in Chattanooga, Tenn., where one of the shooting attacks occurred. The blue markers indicate shell casings.
(John Bazemore / Associated Press)






She said in court documents that when she returned to their home he continued to beat her, in front of the children, and he also struck the children as well. Further, she said, he sexually assaulted her in front of the children."
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-tennessee-shooting-update-20150717-story.html#page=2

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what. And history has shown there is never a "winner" in those confrontations. You are not going to "wipe out" Islam. You are not going to "convert" them to your thinking. So you better have a better plan to deal with this over the next century.

Don't understand the bolded statement.....there are plenty of non Christians who object to being beheaded or converted to the evil of islam.....I know, how trivial and silly right?
As an imperfect man and Christian I feel no need to justify myself or my beliefs to anyone, nor do I feel any need to convert anyone to my beliefs.

I think people are confusing the Islamic religion and the Quran with how that religion has been implemented by use of the Sharia Law.

Sharia Law is the antithesis of democracy and human rights. I agree with people here that our government should probably be tougher on countries that use Islam through Sharia Law to create "religious states". I strongly believe in separation of church and state and unfortunately there is a vast swath of the Muslim world that isn't even close to getting there.

If we have a philosophical war (similar to the Capitalism vs. Communism debate of the cold war) it is not between Christianity and Islam. It is the difference between Western Law (which excludes religion as a basis for decisions) vs. Sharia Law which is based completely in Islamic teachings.

Not every Muslim or Muslim nation believes in Sharia Law as a realistic path to govern it's population.

Maybe our country and our allies need to take a harder line and opinion against Sharia Law and denounce countries that use it. That's most of the fundamental Islamic countries you guys are worried about anyhow. But how we go about doing that is a difficult question with not many feasible solutions.

I can't help anyone who refuses to see that islam has declared war on anyone who refuses to worship as they do. There is no great hue and cry from the "moderate" muslims decrying this **** is there? Yeah, great the local mosque there issued a statement. Sorry, too little too late and it rings completely hollow to me anyhow.

 

[deljzc]

The funny thing is if the Sharia Law and it's use of Islam is really the heart of the problem, invading Iraq made no sense. They were just your normal everyday dictatorship. Other countries use Sharia Law much more so than Iraq did under Saddam Hussein. In fact there was "some" normalcy between Shia and Sunnis in Baghdad for most of Saddam's reign. He just killed anyone against him indiscriminately like Stalin.

The real question we need to force on the Islamic World is how Sharia Law and Democracy and Freedom can co-exist and pin them down on their answers.

Sharia Law and the premises that our Constitution is based on are night-and-day. You can't be for both. You have to be for one or the other. You want to **** with a Muslim, pin him down on that dichotomy and have him try to explain it away.

Of course, there are things Christianity have struggled with vs. the Constitution as well.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

From left to right, back row: hit, dead, hit
From left to right, front row: hit, pass, must-be-proud, hit

You ain't right.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

The funny thing is if the Sharia Law and it's use of Islam is really the heart of the problem, invading Iraq made no sense. They were just your normal everyday dictatorship. Other countries use Sharia Law much more so than Iraq did under Saddam Hussein. In fact there was "some" normalcy between Shia and Sunnis in Baghdad for most of Saddam's reign. He just killed anyone against him indiscriminately like Stalin.

The real question we need to force on the Islamic World is how Sharia Law and Democracy and Freedom can co-exist and pin them down on their answers.

Sharia Law and the premises that our Constitution is based on are night-and-day. You can't be for both. You have to be for one or the other. You want to **** with a Muslim, pin him down on that dichotomy and have him try to explain it away.

Of course, there are things Christianity have struggled with vs. the Constitution as well.

I look at Islam like the kkk or black panthers(or similar other country groups). The difference is, while those groups preach hate and their views for the most part that's it. Sure, some go above that and act. But limited I would say. Islam acts as a whole on destroying anything that is not them or how they look, views or otherwise. This will not change. While some, and I'm sure by numbers the majority do not, the underlining views are "your not Islam your to be killed".

My new coworker is Egyptian. His parents made their children flea over 50 years ago because they were Christian. He told them, there is no life for you in the ME as a Christian as you will certainly face death. Listening to him speak about it, he made one thing clear...there is no middle ground in Islam.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

And let me add. While Christians, Germans, Russians, Chinese, Asians...etc have done horrible unspeakable things. These things were, for the most part, generations ago. I think all groups have evolved as humans first and realized there wrong doing. Islam has been at it for ever with the other groups but has yet to evolve as a species. If you take a ******* book views over the life of another human being, I'm sorry you are not evolved enough to be on this planet and soon you will be extinct.

 

[Vindrow]

I don't suppose that there is a picture of him holding the confederate flag is there? Figure if there is the libtards could blame this shooting on that instead of Islam.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

nahh. No one would believe a red neck would kill, or caused to be harmed, a man or women of the armed forces.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I don't suppose that there is a picture of him holding the confederate flag is there? Figure if there is the libtards could blame this shooting on that instead of Islam.

"If a Muslim bombed an abortion clinic, who would Liberals blame?" -- Supe on my Facebook page

 

[Troglodyte]

"If a Muslim bombed an abortion clinic, who would Liberals blame?" -- Supe on my Facebook page

The corporation that manufactured the explosives... Duh!

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

"If a Muslim bombed an abortion clinic, who would Liberals blame?" -- Supe on my Facebook page

If it was HC, that email would have been lost.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I don't quite understand this.

In the whole thread of the Charleston shootings I didn't see one post putting Christianity in a negative light..

That's because there aren't enough stupid liberals that post here. Looks like you're the only one.

In this thread, there have been about 5 already pointing towards Islam as the cause/reason/responsibility..

That's because radical Islam IS the cause/reason dork...and the world doesn't have a KKK problem, it has a radical Islam problem. So drop the KKK bullshit. The KKK is irrelevant.
We don't have a Crusader problem either, again, we have a radical Islam problem. Christianity has evolved since the time of the Crusades, Islam has not.

Did that help clear things up?

Why aren't they the same? Aren't they the same criss-crossed wires in the brain, the same mental issues, the same anger, the same reasons someone decides to become violent? Aren't their targets based completely on similar reasons? Ideologies they both grew up around, off-handed remarks by parents/sibling? Where does hatred start? People aren't born fanatics of religion. People aren't born racist. Those are both similar paths of twisting rights vs. wrongs into justification for suffering and evil..

Are you really that oblivious to the fact that hatred for the West and Christianity is taught at a very young age in Muslim countries and here? The stupid kid that shot up the church had no vision of taking over the world, radical Muslims do.
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/american-muslim-children-taught-hate#

The left leaning media won't let that go..

Haha...the left "leaning" media.. The media "leaned" left during the days of Walter Kronkite. It has since toppled over and is mired in muck.

I just think we're slipping more and more into a Christian vs. Muslim justification for who knows what. .

No we're not. With every comment you're slipping more and more into denial.

Curious, are you a college kid?

 

[deljzc]

So I'm a stupid liberal and a college kid?

LOL... that's actually pretty funny.

 

[Spike]

add a 5th

Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith, 26

 

[Yinzerlyn]

What a shame. Last I heard yesterday he was fighting hard for his life. They had his sister on the news. Heartbreaking.

 

[Spike]

more flags to ban

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

more flags to ban

You mean more Mohammad's to kill.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

add a 5th

Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith, 26

Someone from the Washington inner circle SHOULD attend the funeral, but that's not going to happen.

And people wonder why the country is so divided.

 

[Tibs]

Rest in peace to all the sevicemen killed. A tragic and sad moment for the country and for the families that lost loved ones. They need to revisit security on domestic bases asap. I understand you probably don't want soldiers running around in full battle gear, but the bases need to be secure and better prepared for these types of attacks as they're clearly being targeted. The number of these home-grown acts of terror seems to be growing, be they islamic fundamentalists or the crazy mass-murderers shooting-up movie theaters, churches and schools. The level of violence is apalling. I don't see how the answer doesn't include stricter gun laws...it's just nuts to see so many people running around with firearms that shouldn't have them in the first place. I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, but they should make gun ownership requirements stricter and more transparent... not make it so easy to access weapons. It's not going to completely solve the problem, but would certainly help imo.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Rest in peace to all the sevicemen killed. A tragic and sad moment for the country and for the families that lost loved ones. They need to revisit security on domestic bases asap. I understand you probably don't want soldiers running around in full battle gear, but the bases need to be secure and better prepared for these types of attacks as they're clearly being targeted. The number of these home-grown acts of terror seems to be growing, be they islamic fundamentalists or the crazy mass-murderers shooting-up movie theaters, churches and schools. The level of violence is apalling. I don't see how the answer doesn't include stricter gun laws...it's just nuts to see so many people running around with firearms that shouldn't have them in the first place. I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, but they should make gun ownership requirements stricter and more transparent... not make it so easy to access weapons. It's not going to completely solve the problem, but would certainly help imo.

Meh....maybe. I still feel it's more an issue of mental illness, ideology, hate, and jealousy.

I believe Cain used a rock on Able.

 

[Tibs]

I believe Cain used a rock on Able.

Witty. I'm sure you agree we'd all be better off if terrorists, psychopaths, child murderers and other criminals were throwing rocks as opposed to being armed to the teeth with firearms. Maybe not.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Witty. I'm sure you agree we'd all be better off if terrorists, psychopaths, child murderers and other criminals were throwing rocks as opposed to being armed to the teeth with firearms. Maybe not.

This is a point we could go around and around on and most likely never agree.

Pipe bomb, knife (kid at my old high school did this a few years ago), arson, airplanes. Lots of ways to kill if that is what motivates you.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

This is a point we could go around and around on and most likely never agree.

Pipe bomb, knife (kid at my old high school did this a few years ago), arson, airplanes. Lots of ways to kill if that is what motivates you.

Id rather be ****** to death than shot at my office while working