Almost time to play Cowboys and Muzzies in Texas...

[Superman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...with-pigs-blood-to-block-Muslim-cemetery.html
Texans threaten to cover land with pigs’ blood to block Muslim cemetery
Outrage among residents of Farmersville at proposals for a cemetery 35 miles north-east of Dallas

A family gathers in prayer as they visit a family member buried in the Islamic Garden at Restland Cemetery in Dallas

Angry residents of a small Texan town have threatened to put pigs’ heads on poles and pour the blood onto land which has been earmarked for a Muslim cemetery.

The latest manifestation of anti-Islamic sentiment in America surrounds a small plot of undeveloped land 35 miles north-east of Dallas.

It is a row which predates the killing of five people at a US Marines recruiting centre in Chattanooga, Tennessee by Kuwaiti-born Youssuf Abdulazeez last week.

Some residents of the Farmersville, which has a population of 3,00,0 said that their main concern was the way in which they believed Muslims inter their dead.

“When somebody dies they bury them at that time. They don’t know whether they were shot, diseased or anything else. All they do is wrap them in a sheet from the grave and bury them,” Troy Gosnell told the local CBS station.

Patricia Munroe voiced fears that local drinking water could be polluted.

“We used to grow onions here. We sure enough don’t want to be growing bodies,” said another resident, Mont Hendrick.

Feelings ran high at a town meeting earlier this week, where direct action was proposed to prevent the Muslims pressing ahead with the project.

Take and dump pig’s blood and put pig’s heads on a post so they won’t buy the land,” one resident said.

Alia Salem with the Council on American Islamic Relations of Dallas, tried to dispel locals’ concerns.

“They are fearful of what they don’t understand and hopefully it’s an opportunity for us to come together and learn a little bit more about each other and hopefully dispel some of those misconceptions.

A final decision whether to press ahead with the scheme will be taken by the Farmersville city council.

 

[Spike]

TV host's rant against Islamic extremism goes viral - it's on!

 

[Tibs]

Those pesky muslims are overrunning Texas and other States. It's high-time someone stepped up and put them in their place! Sure, Islamic populations are less than 1% of the total US population, but still, how dare they have mosques and cemetaries! The outrage!

 

[Superman]

Those pesky muslims are overrunning Texas and other States. It's high-time someone stepped up and put them in their place! Sure, Islamic populations are less than 1% of the total US population, but still, how dare they have mosques and cemetaries! The outrage!

6.67 million
2.11%

http://www.muslimpopulation.com/America/

 

[Tibs]

2.11%

That changes everything. Down with this menace! How dare they overrun our states and towns with their mosques and cemetaries!

 

[IndySteel]

That's 6.67 million too many.

 

[Superman]

That changes everything. Down with this menace! How dare they overrun our states and towns with their mosques and cemetaries!

I dont know how they are over in Europe, but the ones I've encountered are ******* ********. Buncha ******* discourteous ************* who think I owe them something.

 

[Tibs]

I dont know how they are over in Europe...

Haven't really had any issues.

Let's see, we hired a Nigerian dishwasher at one of the restaurants a few years back, I think his name was Ahmed. Young kid around 20, a soccer player and devout muslim. We had two issues with him, one was when he was fasting he'd get all weak-kneed and didn't get the dishes washed as fast as usual. The other was that he had a great physique from soccer, which was somewhat of a distraction for our hottie counter girls, who (we felt) needed to concentrate more on customers and counter service. Oh, and in the end, I think he stole some raw chicken breasts (not a joke, nor racist, just a fact) so we had to fire him. But that's pretty much it.

We also have an Iranian engineering student who is a muslim - working as a kitchen manager. Great guy, speaks good English (and Hungarian), dependable, precise, trustworthy. Never had any issues with him over five years.

Finally, we hired an Afghan immigrant as a counter girl who comes from a devout muslim family. Her father was opposed to the idea of her working at our place, with booze and late nights et al. So it was touch and go with her for a few weeks, but her dad mellowed out and saw we treated our employees with respect. She's fit right in, her English is great and she's really coming out of her shell. She seems to want to be more western than islamist, I think working at a place owned by two Americans is helping her on that path.

There are of course a bunch of foreign muslim students in Budapest, as well as a large number of muslim-owned gyros places & internet cafes, but I'm not aware of any issues. Lately, Hungary (as the rest of Europe) has seen an uptick of migrants from war-torn Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq crossing the borders from Serbia in the south. The migrant camps have been overrun, so we're seeing many more families - with young children - sleeping at train stations, in the park et al which is a new phenomena.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I had actually thought of proposing the idea of burying a dead Muslim terrorist/suicide bomber with pig parts and or pigs blood as a deterrent.
Among which of the 73 virgins would have sex with a terrorist drenched in pigs blood?

That said, it may not deter if a Muslim believes his body is earthly and inconsequential once the spirit leaves it.

 

[wig]

Unfortunately, what tends to happen (at least in Europe,) is that Muslims begin moving in and slowly, very slowly, increasing in numbers until they become a significant minority in a condensed area. They pool resources and buy homes all in the same area so they can congregate. What you'll find is that your minority percentages of Muslims in a particular country are super-focused and begin growing outward.

I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it's been a major point of alarm for France since the 90's.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Unfortunately, what tends to happen (at least in Europe,) is that Muslims begin moving in and slowly, very slowly, increasing in numbers until they become a significant minority in a condensed area. They pool resources and buy homes all in the same area so they can congregate. What you'll find is that your minority percentages of Muslims in a particular country are super-focused and begin growing outward.

I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it's been a major point of alarm for France since the 90's.

Played on Jim Quinn's show this morning:

 

[Djfan]

I have no time for them.

 

[Rod Farva]

Hell, I'd give them the entire state of California as a grave yard if I thought we could fill it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Those pesky muslims are overrunning Texas and other States. It's high-time someone stepped up and put them in their place! Sure, Islamic populations are less than 1% of the total US population, but still, how dare they have mosques and cemetaries! The outrage!

I just love this double standard response to this problem. In this instance, Tibs attempts to mitigate the issue because it is just a 1%-2% problem. Because it's so small, why focus on it? 1-2%, why should we care???

Yet Liberals nearly always work to let the tail wag the dog, to drive the agenda of 1-3% of the population.

• Less than 3% of Americans are gay or bi or trans. But that isn't the point, it's a "problem" and must be addressed, regardless the views of the majority and the effects it has upon them. We must address that 1-3% problem.
• Police violence is another. Less than 1.5% of all police interactions involve violence. A miniscule portion of those involve undue police violence. Yet (despite whites dying more often at the hands of police than blacks) we must focus on this miniscule, small percentage problem.
• One nut job goes off of his Ritalin, grabs dad's gun and shoots up a mall, and all guns are bad. Because of these incredibly rare shootings (you can't even put a % on it related to violent deaths), all guns, and all people with guns, are bad.
• Less than 1% of all rapes lead to a woman being impregnated, yet Liberals will argue this as the primary basis for why abortion must be legalized.
  

But this 1-2% Muslim problem isn't a problem? 21 terrorist attacks on American soil during Bomma's "reign" is just a joke. THIS 1-2% problem doesn't matter. Men dressing as women is the real problem in this country and must be addressed! These U.S.-soil terrorist incidents are just mosquitoes, a simple annoyance, not worthy of our focus. Freddie Gray and Michael Brown are to be revered, mourned. These four Marines? Bug bites.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so downright, painfully scary that people think this way.

Brigitte Gabriel was speaking to you Tibs.



Her words:

There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course, not all of them are radicals the majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15% to 25% according to all intelligence services around the world. That leaves 75% of them peaceful people, but when you look at 15% to 25% of the world’s Muslim population; you’re looking at the 180-million to 300-million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization. That is as big of the United States. So why should we worry about their radical 15% to 25%, because it is the radicals that kill, because it is the radicals that behead and massacre.

When you look throughout history, when you look at all the lessons of history most Germans were peaceful, yet the Nazis drove the agenda and as a result 60-million people died, almost 14-million in concentration camps, 6-million were Jews. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

When you look at Russia most Russians were peaceful as well, yet the Russians were able to kill 20-million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. When you look at China for example most Chinese were peaceful as well, yet the Chinese were able to kill 70-million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

When you look at Japan prior to World War II most Japanese were peaceful as well, yet Japan was able to butcher its way across Southeast Asia killing 12-million people mostly killed with bayonet and shovels. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

On September 11th in the United States, we had 2.3-million Arab Muslims living in the United States. It took 19 hijackers 19 radicals to bring America down to its knees, destroy the World Trade Center, attack the Pentagon and kill almost 3,000 Americans that day. The peaceful majority were irrelevant...

It is time we take political correctness should be consigned to the garbage can where it belongs and it’s time to start calling a spade a spade

PS...it's "cemetery"

 

[Steeltime]

Those pesky muslims are overrunning Texas and other States. It's high-time someone stepped up and put them in their place! Sure, Islamic populations are less than 1% of the total US population, but still, how dare they have mosques and cemetaries! The outrage!

The American Nazi party comprises much, much less than 1% of the American population. So nobody should or would be concerned if the American Nazi party bought land and opened a community center, right?

Think, just for a minute, what the public reaction would be if the American Nazi Party (maybe 0.00001% of the population) wanted to open a center dedicated to Nazism. Seriously, think about that for a second. Think of the protests, the media outrage, etc.

Would you mock the protesters? Would you dismiss the outrage at the plan for the Nazis to open up a community center?

P.S. And yes, many of us analogize Muslims/Islam with nut-job extremists like Nazis. Take this, for example - tell me which one is from the Nazis and which is from Islam:

• Believe their world view is mandatory and must be imposed on the rest of the world.
• Operate on the principle that non-believers are subject to penalty, including death.
• Believe that Jews should convert or face death ... what the hell, just kill 'em.
• Believe that certain races are inferior, and closer to animals than human.
• Believe that mass killing in the name of the belief is justified.
• Put into practice the mass-killing belief by killing a ****-ton of people.
• Believe that their governance is based on a god or something, rather than simple human choice.
• Believe that mocking their extremist views merits punishment, such as death.

Hah!! It's a trick question, Tibs ... both Muslims and Nazis believe the same thing!!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Steeltime just...

 

[Tibs]

Steeltime just...

Steeltime - along with a whole bunch of you - has an increasingly difficult time differentiating between normal, peaceful, everyday citizens that happen to practice the Muslim faith in this country (and elsewhere around the world) and hateful, murderous Islam fundamentalist terrorists. But do not let that get in the way of your chest thumping and mic dropping. By all means, carry on.

 

[IndySteel]

Steeltime - along with a whole bunch of you - has an increasingly difficult time differentiating between normal, peaceful, everyday citizens that happen to practice the Muslim faith in this country (and elsewhere around the world) and hateful, murderous Islam fundamentalist terrorists. But do not let that get in the way of your chest thumping and mic dropping. By all means, carry on.

There's no difference. They all believe the same thing. Some just make terrorism their full-time job.

 

[Tibs]

There's no difference. They all believe the same thing.

Ok, I'll play along. So you're saying everyone on this list is a muslim terrorist, should be rounded-up and put in an internment camp? That's what I think you're saying.

Fuad El-Hibri – CEO of Emergent BioSolutions
Jawed Karim – Co-founder of YouTube
Shahid Khan - owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Dave Chappelle – standup comedian
Big Daddy Kane – Rapper
Busta Rhymes – Hip-hop artist and rapper
Ice Cube – Rapper and produce
Lupe Fiasco – Rapper. He is a Sunni Muslim
Mos Def – Rapper.
Nas – Rapper
Iman – Supermodel
Rima Fakih – Miss USA 2010
Fazlur Khan – structural engineer (designed the Sears Tower, John Hancock Center)
Ahmed Zewail – Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry,
Muhammad Ali – Converted to Sunni Islam in 1975
Bernard Hopkins – Former Middleweight and Light Heavyweight world champion
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – NBA
Shaquille O'Neal - NBA
Hakeem Olajuwon - NBA
Muhammad Wilkerson – Defensive end for the New York Jets
Usama Young – Free safety for the New Orleans Saints
Ahmad Rashād – Former Wide receiver for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster
Abdul Hodge – Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers
Dr. Mehmet Oz - host of "The Dr Oz Show"
Fareed Zakaria - journalist

 

[IndySteel]

Ok, I'll play along. So you're saying everyone on this list is a muslim terrorist, should be rounded-up and put in an internment camp? That's what I think you're saying.

Fuad El-Hibri – CEO of Emergent BioSolutions
Jawed Karim – Co-founder of YouTube
Shahid Khan - owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Dave Chappelle – standup comedian
Big Daddy Kane – Rapper
Busta Rhymes – Hip-hop artist and rapper
Ice Cube – Rapper and produce
Lupe Fiasco – Rapper. He is a Sunni Muslim
Mos Def – Rapper.
Nas – Rapper
Iman – Supermodel
Rima Fakih – Miss USA 2010
Fazlur Khan – structural engineer (designed the Sears Tower, John Hancock Center)
Ahmed Zewail – Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry,
Muhammad Ali – Converted to Sunni Islam in 1975
Bernard Hopkins – Former Middleweight and Light Heavyweight world champion
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – NBA
Shaquille O'Neal - NBA
Hakeem Olajuwon - NBA
Muhammad Wilkerson – Defensive end for the New York Jets
Usama Young – Free safety for the New Orleans Saints
Ahmad Rashād – Former Wide receiver for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster
Abdul Hodge – Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers
Dr. Mehmet Oz - host of "The Dr Oz Show"
Fareed Zakaria - journalist

Yes. Wait, Shaq's a terrorist? Who knew?

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Ok, I'll play along. So you're saying everyone on this list is a muslim terrorist, should be rounded-up and put in an internment camp? That's what I think you're saying.

Fuad El-Hibri – CEO of Emergent BioSolutions
Jawed Karim – Co-founder of YouTube
Shahid Khan - owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars
Dave Chappelle – standup comedian
Big Daddy Kane – Rapper
Busta Rhymes – Hip-hop artist and rapper
Ice Cube – Rapper and produce
Lupe Fiasco – Rapper. He is a Sunni Muslim
Mos Def – Rapper.
Nas – Rapper
Iman – Supermodel
Rima Fakih – Miss USA 2010
Fazlur Khan – structural engineer (designed the Sears Tower, John Hancock Center)
Ahmed Zewail – Nobel Prize winner in Chemistry,
Muhammad Ali – Converted to Sunni Islam in 1975
Bernard Hopkins – Former Middleweight and Light Heavyweight world champion
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar – NBA
Shaquille O'Neal - NBA
Hakeem Olajuwon - NBA
Muhammad Wilkerson – Defensive end for the New York Jets
Usama Young – Free safety for the New Orleans Saints
Ahmad Rashād – Former Wide receiver for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster
Abdul Hodge – Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers
Dr. Mehmet Oz - host of "The Dr Oz Show"
Fareed Zakaria - journalist

How many on that list have you heard or seen on TV speaking out and raising hell about what all of these Muslims are doing around the world.

 

[Tibs]

How many on that list have you heard or seen on TV speaking out...

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: These Terrorist Attacks Are Not About Religion
http://time.com/3662152/kareem-abdu...bdo-terrorist-attacks-are-not-about-religion/

Zakaria: ISIS may be most significant terrorist organization we’ve faced
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn...ignificant-terrorist-organization-weve-faced/

Debut of Jets' Wilkerson falls on Sept. 11
http://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...-of-jets-wilkerson-falls-on-sept-11-1.3152791

Islam is a religion of Peace, Not Terrorism by Muhammad Ali
http://www.mediamonitors.net/muhammadali1.html

Ahmed Zewail: The West and Islam need not be in conflict
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...and-islam-need-not-be-in-conflict-421354.html

ok....I'm tired of doing your homework for you.

I will say this, I love this SN board. It is the only place in my life - past or present - I ever find myself not only discussing muslim related topics, but actually somehow ending up defending them. And I only do it to point out what I see as significant discrepancies and embellishments in an overriding, one-sided circle-jerk that tends to go overboard post after post after post. It's pretty funny, cause I don't give two ***** about muslims, or any other religion for that matter. I say that in a hushed tone as my dad's a life-long, ordained protestant minister.

 

[Steeltime]

Steeltime - along with a whole bunch of you - has an increasingly difficult time differentiating between normal, peaceful, everyday citizens that happen to practice the Muslim faith in this country (and elsewhere around the world) and hateful, murderous Islam fundamentalist terrorists. But do not let that get in the way of your chest thumping and mic dropping. By all means, carry on.

Once again, you operate on a fundamentally flawed premise - that is, because a substantial percentage of the adherents to the clearly-corrupt belief system do not actively engage in criminal behavior that the belief system is not the problem, and the problem instead is with the "extremists."

Do you believe that of the American Nazi Party? Seriously, how many American Nazi Party members have committed mass murder over the past 15 years due to their abhorrent beliefs? 3? 5?

Hey, 3 or 5 out of 25,000 is not much. A tiny percentage, in fact.

But you would still find a community center for the American Nazi Party to be repulsive, right? Even though a tiny fraction of their membership acted on their putrid beliefs, right?

So the Muslim world is different because ... more people follow that belief system? But that should make your concerns vastly GREATER, since 25,000 whack jobs out of 320 million Americans and 7 billion people worldwide is not really even an issue, while 1.2 billion is a different matter entirely.

Finally, your comment that most - indeed, the substantial percentage - of Muslims are not extremists is kinda true. But please be aware of the following facts about the Muslim world and Muslim teaching:

• 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
• 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
• 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
• 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
• 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
• 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
• 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
• A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
• About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Percentage of Muslims with Unfavorable Views of Jews:

• Jordan - 100 percent
• Lebanon - 99 percent
• Egypt - 98 percent
• Morocco - 88 percent
• Indonesia - 76 percent
• Pakistan - 74 percent
• Turkey - 60 percent

http://judaism.about.com/od/americanworldjewry/a/muslimviews.htm

You also noted in this thread that Sharia, not Islam, is the threat because Sharia is the belief system that extolls punishing non-believers, supports terrorism, approves of stoning rape victims for "infidelity," etc. So Sharia is held in disrepute by the followers of the Religion of Peace, right?

Ehhhh, not so much:

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Tibs, you are a seriously decent person - that is abundantly clear from your posts. You are also intelligent - again, that is clear from your posts. But please don't presume that because Supe, and Ron, and Indy, and Spike, and I have serious concerns about Islam and its effect on the world, and in particular our nation, that we reach our conclusions due to "misinformation" or prejudice.

Speaking for myself only of course, I reached my conclusions about Islam in seeing how they treat those with a different world view - just that, and nothing more. Not people who presented a threat to them, or raped their women, or burned a mosque. Just people with a different world view, Tibs ... here is what this religion does (with nary a protest from the mullahs, and ayatollahs, or whatever-other-ahs:

 

[Tibs]

Steeltime, kudos for a thoughtful and well put-together post.

I guess the main line of demarcation between us in how we see this issue, is that I'm naive enough (I guess) to believe there are legitimately peaceful, law-abiding, respectful people of all faiths, including Muslims. That there are Muslims, probably still the majority of them, that do not agree with the actions of extremist terrorists. And that's not to say these so-called "normal" Muslims necessarily like the US or agree with our politics. But there is still a difference, a gap, between these types of Muslims and those on the fringes that carry out and support terrorism. Maybe in the end, it will be shown that this is not the case, and I've been blind all these years. Maybe there is a vast, worldwide Muslim conspiracy to kill us all. I just haven't seen enough empirical evidence to actually accept it as fact.

I do categorically reject all the hyperbole and conjecture about Obama being a Muslim, or that he favors Muslim interests over American interests, and the like. This part is much clearer to me. I view all the anti-Obama rhetoric as basically nonsense and reject it out of hand. You can hate his politics, his mannerisms, his personality, whatever, but to call into question the patriotism of a two-term sitting president, who has led us through wars et al, just seems disingenuous and fake to me.

Anyway, it's good to see we can maybe find some common ground in these threads where we (me included) spend most of our time throwing haymakers at each other. Kumbaya, brother!

 

[Troglodyte]

I have a a Moroccan Muslim family across the street and a Jewish family down the street. I have seen their kids playing together. There is also a Christian girl in the neighborhood who is forbidden from playing with the Muslim girl.

Make of what you will.