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Good news from mecca

I feel bad for all those muzzies and christians and jews alike. You all go through life worrying about making it to the afterlife. News flash - it's a dirt nap. That's it.

Why not just enjoy your time above the ground instead of creating divisions based on non-sense.

The killing and hating of those who are not like you is just plain stupid when it's based on "faith". Religion should be just the opposite.
 
Yes, because muslims are all evil murderers, terrorists, the whole lot of them. Very sad how warped your world view is Ron, and no, you are certainly not alone. This place is packed with like-minded xenophobes, the hatred around here is thick. Fills the room with a foul odor, but at least you guys own up to it.

Reading some of your responses, I gotta say I would hate to go through life fearing - and hating - 1.6 billion people on this planet, nearly a quarter of the world's population, because of their religion. That's a choice you all make, and you've got to live with it. I choose to go a different route and don't condemn an entirely of a religious population because of the hateful acts of those on its fringes. Just like I don't hate all Christians because of the KKK or the hateful, vicious views of extreme Evangelicals, nor do I hate Jews based on the acts of far-right Zionists, I don't condemn those of Muslim faith because of the deeds of their fringe groups, Islam terrorists.

The anti-muslim vitriol in this thread points out very specifically - and is a living example of - what it is to be racist and xenophobic. Again, at least you guys own up to it, and don't try to deny or hide your true views.

Neville Chamberlain would be so proud! **** your judgmental ****. I would hate to go through life fearing and hating facing reality. The muslim "fringes" are waging war on the rest of humanity......those who present themselves as not on the fringes don't condemn the "fringes" activities for one reason. They don't want to suffer the same fate that the rest of us will if the world becomes the caliphate. That makes them either believers in the same vein as the so called fringes or at best cowardly fence sitters content to ride this out and declare fealty to the victor.
The attempt to equivocate this religion with Christians and Jews is laughable and deserves no response. I'm not a racist but neither am I surprised you went there.....that charge has become the cave to which liberals retreat for the majority of their arguments today.....note there ARE white muslims. I try to judge people based on their actions, when any judgment at all becomes necessary. Xenophobic? Again, no......xenophobia is an unreasoned fear or hatred...... I don't fear anyone and I'm not even sure about hatred.....I tend to reserve that particular term....but in my relatively very brief time on this earth I've seen the ill effects of unchecked, unregulated immigration on my country....you want call that "xenophobic" be my guest. Anyone denying the ill effects is wearing blinders.
 
Libtards always play the race card, in every issue imaginable.

Here's a question: If the only bad Muslims are the extreme fringe groups, then why haven't the "good" Muslims condemned them or attacked ISIS themselves? It's because they agree with them. Their religion demands it. But go ahead and feel sorry for them Tibs, you pacifist *****.
 
Reading some of your responses, I gotta say I would hate to go through life fearing - and hating - 1.6 billion people on this planet, nearly a quarter of the world's population, because of their religion. That's a choice you all make, and you've got to live with it. I choose to go a different route and don't condemn an entirely of a religious population because of the hateful acts of those on its fringes. Just like I don't hate all Christians because of the KKK or the hateful, vicious views of extreme Evangelicals, nor do I hate Jews based on the acts of far-right Zionists, I don't condemn those of Muslim faith because of the deeds of their fringe groups, Islam terrorists.

The anti-muslim vitriol in this thread points out very specifically - and is a living example of - what it is to be racist and xenophobic. Again, at least you guys own up to it, and don't try to deny or hide your true views.

I am quite confident in hating 1.6 billion people because their holy book tells them to kill me. This is the book they all read and study.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
 
Tibs, you pacifist *****.
**** you dude, you can suck my dick. Nobody's more of a ***** than a far-right dumbass like yourself. Keep living in your fears, your life must be awesome, just hating and ****-slinging 24/7. You've found your perfect hero in the eternal loser Donald Trump, two peas in a pod. Have a great day! :)
 
If and when the Caliphate is set up, guaranteed Tibs will be one of the pacifist-converted-to-Muslim-to-Save-His-Own-*** "warriors" brandishing a knife.

Instead of fighting and defending (Freedom? America? Neighbors? Hell not sure what this guy even loves), he'll embrace his Muzzie friends with a great big "What took ya so long?"
 
I'm not conservative or liberal. Or maybe I'm both.

But this type of far right stuff is what is pushing this country off a cliff. You guys from FOX News spout on and on about this stuff, but what you propose IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

You just don't have the votes and you never will. You can rant and rave about the foundations of the constitution collapsing and the awful federal government and our hidden Muslim president, but that is such a sad view of our country and a lot of good that is happening right now for a lot of people.

The sky is not falling because of Obamacare or Planned Parenthood. The refugee crisis isn't going to topple civilization. You can cry and whine about all the things wrong with the country all you want, but radical right-wing doctrine is the way of the dinosaur. And I think you are all just angry because you know that to be a fact.

Most of you sound like bitter, old, white men that shout "Those damn kids" and keep every ball that falls in your yard for spite.

You're paranoia is dead on. All us non-sectarian, moderates are out to get you. I hope the religion right fades into the sunset and the sooner the better. You guys are as intolerant of compromise as the Muslims you all love to blame for everything bad in the world right now.

Our country is becoming less and less religious and none of you can face that fact. In fact, without the religious immigrants you so eagerly want to expel, religion is even more falling apart. No one goes to church. No one listens to crazy bible wielding rule makers. You are a growing minority in this country and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
 
I'm not conservative or liberal. Or maybe I'm both.

But this type of far right stuff is what is pushing this country off a cliff. You guys from FOX News spout on and on about this stuff, but what you propose IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

You just don't have the votes and you never will. You can rant and rave about the foundations of the constitution collapsing and the awful federal government and our hidden Muslim president, but that is such a sad view of our country and a lot of good that is happening right now for a lot of people.

The sky is not falling because of Obamacare or Planned Parenthood. The refugee crisis isn't going to topple civilization. You can cry and whine about all the things wrong with the country all you want, but radical right-wing doctrine is the way of the dinosaur. And I think you are all just angry because you know that to be a fact.

Most of you sound like bitter, old, white men that shout "Those damn kids" and keep every ball that falls in your yard for spite.

You're paranoia is dead on. All us non-sectarian, moderates are out to get you. I hope the religion right fades into the sunset and the sooner the better. You guys are as intolerant of compromise as the Muslims you all love to blame for everything bad in the world right now.

Our country is becoming less and less religious and none of you can face that fact. In fact, without the religious immigrants you so eagerly want to expel, religion is even more falling apart. No one goes to church. No one listens to crazy bible wielding rule makers. You are a growing minority in this country and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

You sound like you were raped by a priest.
 
The anti-muslim vitriol in this thread points out very specifically - and is a living example of - what it is to be racist and xenophobic. Again, at least you guys own up to it, and don't try to deny or hide your true views.

I don't go killing people or otherwise hating them because they are a different religion or race. I hate Muslims because they are a racist and xenophobic and want to kill ME simply because I am different.
This is a distinction that Liberals don't get.
The fact that I am happy that 700 of them killed themselves is really beside the point
 
Eh, don't waste your time. They lack the common sense needed to develop realistic knowledge. Not just about terrorists, about everything in the world.

What the **** you talking about man.

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Every civilization thought it would never end. The U.S. has been around less than almost every country in the world (less than 250 years). Why don't you ask Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome ETC... The idea that there is no threat to western civilization just because... reasons... is bullshit.
 
Eh, don't waste your time. They lack the common sense needed to develop realistic knowledge. Not just about terrorists, about everything in the world.

Hey, the Muzzies were dancing in the streets and shouting praises to their god on 9/11 when they killed 3000 of us. I can't do the Snoopy dance when they kill 700 of each other? Just being multicultural.
 
I'm not conservative or liberal. Or maybe I'm both.

But this type of far right stuff is what is pushing this country off a cliff. You guys from FOX News spout on and on about this stuff, but what you propose IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

You just don't have the votes and you never will. You can rant and rave about the foundations of the constitution collapsing and the awful federal government and our hidden Muslim president, but that is such a sad view of our country and a lot of good that is happening right now for a lot of people.

The sky is not falling because of Obamacare or Planned Parenthood. The refugee crisis isn't going to topple civilization. You can cry and whine about all the things wrong with the country all you want, but radical right-wing doctrine is the way of the dinosaur. And I think you are all just angry because you know that to be a fact.

Most of you sound like bitter, old, white men that shout "Those damn kids" and keep every ball that falls in your yard for spite.

You're paranoia is dead on. All us non-sectarian, moderates are out to get you. I hope the religion right fades into the sunset and the sooner the better. You guys are as intolerant of compromise as the Muslims you all love to blame for everything bad in the world right now.

Our country is becoming less and less religious and none of you can face that fact. In fact, without the religious immigrants you so eagerly want to expel, religion is even more falling apart. No one goes to church. No one listens to crazy bible wielding rule makers. You are a growing minority in this country and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

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Islam is a fascist political ideology masquerading as a religion. It is how Mohammed intended it. It seeks to dominate the world. I put it in the same category as Nazi Germany. It kills gays, kills those that choose to leave it, and will take your wife as a slave, should you be conquered.....and then do intend to conquer you. Their religion commands them to do it. I don't believe all Muslims are bad. There are various degrees of observance, and many are muslims in name only. The religion , as a whole, is on a more fanatically observant trend. Look at what has happened since the Arab Spring. And to those who think there is nothing wrong with muslim immigration, well look at Europe.

Am I saddened by what has happened in Mecca? No, can't say I am. I believe the world is a better place with less Islam.
 
Hey Iron, wanna stick you toe in this mess.... Yes I will. Lol.

Loss of life to any degree of disaster/mass accident if ****** up. But, **** em. They want me dead. Not because I'm from America, or white, or a non practicing catholic. It's because I'm not Islam. Period, I must die.

Do I fear them, do I quiver when I jump on my plane time after time for work. No. I live my life, hopefully knowing my govt will do what they can to secure me. I do feel less secure with the ******** in office now but that's another thread. What I do know, there is a religion that wants me dead because I am not them. Should I shed a tear for those whom want to inflect harm on me? I guess I should as a pure human, a somewhat religious person, but.....I don't.

Live your life. Love the ones around you, be good to one another. No religion necessary.
 
Do I fear them, do I quiver when I jump on my plane time after time for work. No. I live my life, hopefully knowing my govt will do what they can to secure me. I do feel less secure with the ******** in office now but that's another thread.

I'm the sort that hopes one of them DOES try to hijack a plane I'm on. Imma have some fun with that. Be good times. REAL good times. Numsayin'?

Yeah, how's that working out for Huckabee?
Good point.
 
Their view just cracks me up.

Let's say Del's daughter was gang raped by 7 thugs, in a back alley. Then dragged to a cellar, where, for weeks, she was tortured, and bit by bit dismembered. Then, after weeks, she succumbed to her wounds and died. The 7 thugs were caught. Tried, and sentenced to life in prison each. On the way to prison, their bus plummets off a bridge overpass, and each of them die in the horrific accident.

Del and the rest would feel a sense of satisfaction over their demise, and likely the violent way in which they perished. They'll write otherwise, but they would (if they are normal). Otherwise, to forgive would be very Christian-like, don't ya think?

I and the rest look at Muslims much liked you'd look at this gang of thugs. While they haven't killed my family, they have led to loss of life on 9/11 to which I was tied. We look at them for what they are...people who operate by a Misson Statement - their Koran - which instructs them (it's not up for interpretation) to kill infidels. We all here, I assume, are infidels. There's no interpreting it another way - we're all targets because "we don't believe." We are their stated enemies. As others have pointed out, they are much like the Nazis.

You can continue the Jane Fonda approach and stick daisies behind their ears. Good strategy. I'll take the Tomahawk Missle, Drone strike, Navy Seal approach, thanks.

BTW Del, you still haven't told us about your experience being inside Planned Parenthood facilities....I'm all ears.
 
We have no reason to have any paranoia. None at all.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...0-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html

Exclusive: 50 Spies Say ISIS Intelligence Was Cooked

More than 50 intelligence analysts working out of the U.S. military’s Central Command have formally complained that their reports on ISIS and al Qaeda’s branch in Syria were being inappropriately altered by senior officials, The Daily Beast has learned.

The complaints spurred the Pentagon’s inspector general to open an investigation into the alleged manipulation of intelligence. The fact that so many people complained suggests there are deep-rooted, systemic problems in how the U.S. military command charged with the war against the self-proclaimed Islamic State assesses intelligence.

“The cancer was within the senior level of the intelligence command,” one defense official said.

Two senior analysts at CENTCOM signed a written complaint sent to the Defense Department inspector general in July alleging that the reports, some of which were briefed to President Obama, portrayed the terror groups as weaker than the analysts believe they are. The reports were changed by CENTCOM higher-ups to adhere to the administration’s public line that the U.S. is winning the battle against ISIS and al Nusra, al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the analysts claim.

That complaint was supported by 50 other analysts, some of whom have complained about politicizing of intelligence reports for months. That’s according to 11 individuals who are knowledgeable about the details of the report and who spoke to The Daily Beast on condition of anonymity.

The accusations suggest that a large number of people tracking the inner workings of the terror groups think that their reports are being manipulated to fit a public narrative. The allegations echoed charges that political appointees and senior officials cherry-picked intelligence about Iraq’s supposed weapons program in 2002 and 2003.

The two signatories to the complaint were described as the ones formally lodging it, and the additional analysts are willing and able to back up the substance of the allegations with concrete examples.

Some of those CENTCOM analysts described the sizeable cadre of protesting analysts as a “revolt” by intelligence professionals who are paid to give their honest assessment, based on facts, and not to be influenced by national-level policy. The analysts have accused senior-level leaders, including the director of intelligence and his deputy in CENTCOM, of changing their analyses to be more in line with the Obama administration’s public contention that the fight against ISIS and al Qaeda is making progress. The analysts take a more pessimistic view about how military efforts to destroy the groups are going.

The large number of analysts who complained to the Pentagon inspector general hasn’t been previously reported. Some of them are assigned to work at CENTCOM, the U.S. military’s command for the Middle East and Central Asia, but are officially employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The complaints allege that in some cases key elements of intelligence reports were removed, resulting in a document that didn’t accurately capture the analysts’ conclusions, sources familiar with the protest said. But the complaint also goes beyond alleged altering of reports and accuses some senior leaders at CENTCOM of creating an unprofessional work environment. One person who knows the contents of the written complaint sent to the inspector general said it used the word “Stalinist” to describe the tone set by officials overseeing CENTCOM’s analysis.

Many described a climate in which analysts felt they could not give a candid assessment of the situation in Iraq and Syria. Some felt it was a product of commanders protecting their career advancement by putting the best spin on the war.

Some reports crafted by the analysts that were too negative in their assessment of the war were sent back down the chain of the command or not shared up the chain, several analysts said. Still others, feeling the climate around them, self-censored so their reports affirmed already-held beliefs.

“While we cannot comment on the specific investigation cited in the article, we can speak to the process. The Intelligence Community routinely provides a wide range of subjective assessments related to the current security environment. These products and the analysis that they present are absolutely vital to our efforts, particularly given the incredibly complex nature of the multi-front fights that are ongoing now in Iraq and Syria,” said Air Force Col. Patrick Ryder, U.S. CENTCOM spokesman. “Senior civilian and military leadership consider these assessments during planning and decision-making, along with information gained from various other sources, to include the insights provided by commanders on the ground and other key advisors, intelligence collection assets, and previous experience.”

Two of the officials who spoke to The Daily Beast said that analysts began airing their complaints in October in an effort to address the issue internally and only went to the inspector general when that effort failed. Some of those who complained were urged to retire, one official familiar with the report told The Daily Beast. Some agreed to leave.

In recent months, members of the Obama administration have sought to paint the fight against ISIS in rosy hues—despite the terror army’s seizure of major cities like Mosul and Fallujah.

“ISIS is losing,” John Allen, the retired Marine general charged with coordinating the ISIS campaign, said in July.

“I am confident that over time, we will beat, we will, indeed, degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL,” Secretary of State John Kerry said in March, using the government’s preferred acronym for the group.

“No, I don’t think we’re losing,” President Obama said in May.

Yet a growing group of intelligence analysts persisted with their complaints. For some, who have served at CENTCOM for more than a decade, scars remained from the run-up to the 2003 war in Iraq, when poorly written intelligence reports suggesting Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, when it did not, formed the basis of the George W. Bush administration’s case for war.

“They were frustrated because they didn’t do the right thing then” and speak up about their doubts on Iraq’s weapons program, the defense official told The Daily Beast.
 
Their view just cracks me up.

Let's say Del's daughter was gang raped by 7 thugs, in a back alley. Then dragged to a cellar, where, for weeks, she was tortured, and bit by bit dismembered. Then, after weeks, she succumbed to her wounds and died. The 7 thugs were caught. Tried, and sentenced to life in prison each. On the way to prison, their bus plummets off a bridge overpass, and each of them die in the horrific accident.

Del and the rest would feel a sense of satisfaction over their demise, and likely the violent way in which they perished. They'll write otherwise, but they would (if they are normal). Otherwise, to forgive would be very Christian-like, don't ya think?

I and the rest look at Muslims much liked you'd look at this gang of thugs. While they haven't killed my family, they have led to loss of life on 9/11 to which I was tied. We look at them for what they are...people who operate by a Misson Statement - their Koran - which instructs them (it's not up for interpretation) to kill infidels. We all here, I assume, are infidels. There's no interpreting it another way - we're all targets because "we don't believe." We are their stated enemies. As others have pointed out, they are much like the Nazis.

You can continue the Jane Fonda approach and stick daisies behind their ears. Good strategy. I'll take the Tomahawk Missle, Drone strike, Navy Seal approach, thanks.

BTW Del, you still haven't told us about your experience being inside Planned Parenthood facilities....I'm all ears.

I asked my wife about it and she says she went to planned parenthood back in college. No abortions. Just simple checkups and birth control. No doctoranization.

I don't think it's like you guys say. Just my opinion. I think it's women trying to help women. Give them options and listen. Give them care they can afford.

Again. I hate the idea of 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. Hate it. And I probably would agree with a law against 2nd trimester abortions except in cases of genetic defects, mother's health, etc. I'm not gung ho on 2nd trimester abortions.

But I strongly feel an outlaw of abortions is not fair. The privileged will be able to get them. The non-privileged won't. And I hate that. And I think making abortion illegal would harm a lot more people.

If we wanted to really offer choices, I'm kind of of the opinion maybe we pay mothers to put up babies for adoption. Not a lot of money. Not enough to turn them into baby makers. But hell, offer $2500 or something in planned parenthood to deliver to term and offer up for adoption or you can pay $500 for an abortion. I wouldn't be against something like that. You have to sign a contract stating no drugs. Submit to drug tests and health care and checkups. It's not a whole bunch of money in the scheme of things but maybe it prevents a few abortions.

As far as using fetal tissue for science, I really don't have a problem with it. Dead is dead. What happens after is meaningless. Everyone knows 2nd term abortions are gross. Most are done because health care in this country doesn't pay for a sonogram until 20 weeks so if they find something wrong with the fetus genetically, parents should have a choice to terminate. Downe syndrome, severe heart defects (of which my daughter was born with one), who knows....

I think that is what is lost in all of this. 2nd trimester abortions aren't happening as a birth control method by mom's walking in off the street. Most are happening this late in pregnancies because something is seriously ****** up with the fetus that wasn't discovered until the 20 week sonogram. Yes, that means the baby has legs that kick, a brain and can feel. But for many it's not a normal life they are looking at, but one of struggle and survival.

That's just my opinion. If I was judge, jury and executioner, I'd make a law that after 16 weeks, you have to get sign-off on an abortion from a gynecologist that something is wrong with fetal development or the health of the mother was at risk. And I think the left-wing would consent to logical restrictions on abortion. But I feel the same way about logical right-wing consent to some gun control.

But there is this small, loud minority on both issues that just won't bend on anything because it's always "the beginning of the end".
 
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Every civilization thought it would never end. The U.S. has been around less than almost every country in the world (less than 250 years). Why don't you ask Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome ETC... The idea that there is no threat to western civilization just because... reasons... is bullshit.

Noticed Tibs "liked" that. Very odd.

I asked my wife about it and she says she went to planned parenthood back in college. No abortions. Just simple checkups and birth control. No doctoranization.

I don't think it's like you guys say. Just my opinion. I think it's women trying to help women. Give them options and listen. Give them care they can afford.

Again. I hate the idea of 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. Hate it. And I probably would agree with a law against 2nd trimester abortions except in cases of genetic defects, mother's health, etc. I'm not gung ho on 2nd trimester abortions.

But I strongly feel an outlaw of abortions is not fair. The privileged will be able to get them. The non-privileged won't. And I hate that. And I think making abortion illegal would harm a lot more people.

If we wanted to really offer choices, I'm kind of of the opinion maybe we pay mothers to put up babies for adoption. Not a lot of money. Not enough to turn them into baby makers. But hell, offer $2500 or something in planned parenthood to deliver to term and offer up for adoption or you can pay $500 for an abortion. I wouldn't be against something like that. You have to sign a contract stating no drugs. Submit to drug tests and health care and checkups. It's not a whole bunch of money in the scheme of things but maybe it prevents a few abortions.

As far as using fetal tissue for science, I really don't have a problem with it. Dead is dead. What happens after is meaningless. Everyone knows 2nd term abortions are gross. Most are done because health care in this country doesn't pay for a sonogram until 20 weeks so if they find something wrong with the fetus genetically, parents should have a choice to terminate. Downe syndrome, severe heart defects (of which my daughter was born with one), who knows....

I think that is what is lost in all of this. 2nd trimester abortions aren't happening as a birth control method by mom's walking in off the street. Most are happening this late in pregnancies because something is seriously ****** up with the fetus that wasn't discovered until the 20 week sonogram. Yes, that means the baby has legs that kick, a brain and can feel. But for many it's not a normal life they are looking at, but one of struggle and survival.

That's just my opinion. If I was judge, jury and executioner, I'd make a law that after 16 weeks, you have to get sign-off on an abortion from a gynecologist that something is wrong with fetal development or the health of the mother was at risk. And I think the left-wing would consent to logical restrictions on abortion. But I feel the same way about logical right-wing consent to some gun control.

But there is this small, loud minority on both issues that just won't bend on anything because it's always "the beginning of the end".

That's...........I...........it...........it's just,uh.......the......um.......ahhh, **** it....wow. Just ******* wow.
 
Let's say Del's daughter was gang raped by 7 thugs, in a back alley. Then dragged to a cellar, where, for weeks, she was tortured, and bit by bit dismembered. Then, after weeks, she succumbed to her wounds and died. The 7 thugs were caught. Tried, and sentenced to life in prison each. On the way to prison, their bus plummets off a bridge overpass, and each of them die in the horrific accident.

That's one helluva "let's say"!
 
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