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Today in mass shootings

Elfie,

It seems state law and the Colleges policy were at odds. My assertion still stands, the college by its policy was a de facto gun free zone. My guess is the gentleman mentioned in the article risked being expelled and losing any academic credits had any faculty or campus security discovered he was packing.

no. he heard the cops coming and didnt want to get caught in the cross-fire. he was ... oh, what is that tricky word that the anti-gun shitheads like to try tossing around, saying we need more of... oh, yes ... responsible. so as to not escalate the situation.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...th-gun-was-on-ucc-campus-at-time-of-massacre/

Parker’s interview revealed the practical difficulties of armed civilians trying to stop a mass shooting. By the time he became aware of the shooting, a SWAT team had already responded. He was concerned that police would view him as a “bad guy” and target him, so he quickly retreated into the classroom.
 
Elfie,

It seems state law and the Colleges policy were at odds. My assertion still stands, the college by its policy was a de facto gun free zone. My guess is the gentleman mentioned in the article risked being expelled and losing any academic credits had any faculty or campus security discovered he was packing.

No, he won't be expelled because the college knows it will be sued and lose as precedent has already been set.

If I had to guess it would be that Oregon schools set that type of policy as more of a political statement and to CYA in case of litigation It is a worthless "rule" and they know it.

Maybe the ambulance chaser(steel time) can swing by and give his internet lawyer, astronaut, clown car chauffeur, climate scientist, professional art critic opinion on this.
 
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and do you know WHY they didn't do anything? or are you just bitching?

Yes because they risked being shot by police according to an interview parker gave. Thats why I say more guns generally do not help. Yes you may have cases where the guy at 7-11 shoots a robber once in a blue moon but in the case of mass shooters it seems to exacarbate the chaos.

Trained and armed security seems a better option.
 
Yes because they risked being shot by police according to an interview parker gave. Thats why I say more guns generally do not help. Yes you may have cases where the guy at 7-11 shoots a robber once in a blue moon but in the case of mass shooters it seems to exacarbate the chaos.

Trained and armed security seems a better option.

You don't really need more security, besides you can't find enough people to do that anyway. Hell, I can't even find anyone to work for me. Simply permitting legal gun owners to carry everywhere they go, including schools, is enough of a deterrent. Again, this is WHY most mass shootings occur at places where law-abiding citizens are not allowed to carry guns. The nutjobs know it is unlikely that anyone will be armed and shoot back. I am almost never in a gun-free zone because if Burgundy is there then it probably isn't gun-free.

For example if you had a school where it is publicly known that teachers are allowed to carry guns, or a college where students with a permit may be armed, now we don't know who or how many are carrying, it is virtually certain that no one would try a mass shooting there.
 
i see what elfie is saying. i agree. and once the death toll is tabulated from the shooting spree at the gun shows nationwide over the weekend, those cold, hard facts will surprise you.
 
Pssst, Tibs, guess what? I'm not really going to plow into you and your Smart car. You can relax.

Be careful Indy, he might start calling you Vagina Boy again.
 
Elfie,

It seems state law and the Colleges policy were at odds. My assertion still stands, the college by its policy was a de facto gun free zone. My guess is the gentleman mentioned in the article risked being expelled and losing any academic credits had any faculty or campus security discovered he was packing.

She fails to grasp your point that Gun Free Zones are the stupidest invention since creating "The View."

While it's sad that the armed CC members weren't able to stop the rampage, there's at least that chance they "could have." Numerous a mass killing has been stopped by a person with a gun. Never has a mass shooting been stopped by a sign that says "Gun Free Zone."
 
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Yes you may have cases where the guy at 7-11 shoots a robber once in a blue moon but in the case of mass shooters it seems to exacarbate the chaos.

Thanks to Oneforthebus for previously posting these. Clearly, there isn't a person here who supports your whack-job, Left Wing Terrorist opinions (which is what your statement is - opinion). Facts be damned again with you Libtards. The proliferation of guns has allowed, at least in some instances in this modern-day, pyschiatric-drug-induced-mass-shooting world, for someone armed to put a stop to these armed zombies.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...it#.rkEnvk0POy

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/...tive-shooter-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...otings-before/
 
Anybody that doesn't think people are defending themselves almost every day with guns is either living under a rock or just flat out being dishonest. I read news articles all the time about people defending themselves against robbers, thugs and would be kidnappers.
 
Bomma's Most Wonderfulest Gun Control Proposal as Deemed Necessary By The King Himself.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx




White HousePresident Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval. Many parts of the plan may have significant effects on states.

The plan:
  • Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
  • Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
  • Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.
  • Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.
  • Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
  • Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
  • Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.
  • Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
  • Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.
  • Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.
  • Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.


some of these I can agree with. Most, I can not.
 
Bomma's Most Wonderfulest Gun Control Proposal as Deemed Necessary By The King Himself.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx




White HousePresident Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval. Many parts of the plan may have significant effects on states.

The plan:
  • Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
  • Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
  • Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.
  • Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.
  • Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
  • Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
  • Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.
  • Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
  • Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.
  • Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.
  • Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.


some of these I can agree with. Most, I can not.

back in the dark ages, we had hunter/gun safety classes. IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!???? oh the horror.
 
Thanks to Oneforthebus for previously posting these. Clearly, there isn't a person here who supports your whack-job, Left Wing Terrorist opinions (which is what your statement is - opinion). Facts be damned again with you Libtards. The proliferation of guns has allowed, at least in some instances in this modern-day, pyschiatric-drug-induced-mass-shooting world, for someone armed to put a stop to these armed zombies.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...it#.rkEnvk0POy

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/...tive-shooter-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...otings-before/

So if I don't agree with people here I'm a terrorist? Yeah as far as wack jobs(whack job would be what the s.n. right wing circle jerk club engages in)
with that accusation I think those that are rational here can clearly see one in you.

Enjoy some facts:
http://gunlawscorecard.org
 
So if I don't agree with people here I'm a terrorist?

Might as well get used to it, that's standard practice around here. And thanks for the link, interesting info.
 
So if I don't agree with people here I'm a terrorist? Yeah as far as wack jobs(whack job would be what the s.n. right wing circle jerk club engages in)
with that accusation I think those that are rational here can clearly see one in you.

Enjoy some facts:
http://gunlawscorecard.org

according to your link, open carry is allowed in Illinois, and they have a rating of B+.
so you're FOR open carry? sweet. you're learning.
 
Might as well get used to it, that's standard practice around here. And thanks for the link, interesting info.

Yeah, Tibs, PoloElfie, and Vis never accuse anyone here of being a Right Wing Terrorist, a Reich Winger, or make statements like "I see your brain is addled from reading right wing blogs like 99% of the CONservative posters here."

I just make **** up :)

Meanwhile, selective reading with blinders on appears to be quite common...
 
Obama weighs expanding background checks through executive authority

In response to the latest mass shooting during his presidency, President Obama is seriously considering circumventing Congress with his executive authority and imposing new background-check requirements for buyers who purchase weapons from high-volume gun dealers.

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The proposed executive action aims to impose background checks on individuals who buy from dealers who sell a significant number of guns each year. The current federal statute dictates that those who are “engaged in the business” of dealing firearms need to obtain a federal license — and, therefore, conduct background checks — but exempts anyone “who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.”

White House officials drafted the proposal in late 2013 to apply to those dealers who sell at least 50 guns annually, after Congress had rejected legislation that would have expanded background checks more broadly to private sellers.

While the White House Office of Legal Counsel and then-Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. initially concluded the regulation was legally defensible, according to several individuals involved in the discussions, some federal lawyers remained concerned that setting an arbitrary numerical threshold could leave the rule vulnerable to a challenge.

ATF officials, moreover, objected that it would be hard to enforce and that it was unclear how many sellers would be affected by the change. “Everyone realized it would be hugely politically controversial,” said one individual, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private discussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d45e56-6b63-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html

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Spot on...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...5d0004-6dec-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

There’s the cycle of poverty. There’s the cycle of violence. And then there’s the cycle of gun talk. It starts with a mass shooting. Gun-control advocates blame the deaths on gun-control opponents, who argue, in turn, that none of the proposed restrictions would have had any effect on the incident in question. The debate goes nowhere. The media move on.

Until the next incident, when the cycle begins again.

So with the Roseburg massacre in Oregon. Within hours, President Obama takes to the microphones to furiously denounce the National Rifle Association and its ilk for resisting “common-sense gun-safety laws.” His harangue is totally sincere, totally knee-jerk and totally pointless. At the time he delivers it, he — and we — know practically nothing about the shooter, nothing about the weapons, nothing about how they were obtained.

Nor does Obama propose any legislation. He knows none would pass. But the deeper truth is that it would have made no difference. Does anyone really believe that the (alleged) gun-show loophole had anything to do with Roseburg? Universal background checks sound wonderful. But Oregon already has one. The Roseburg shooter and his mother obtained every one of their guns legally.

The reason the debate is so muddled, indeed surreal — notice, by the way, how “gun control” has been cleverly rechristened “common-sense gun-safety laws,” as if we’re talking about accident proofing — is that both sides know that the only measure that might actually prevent mass killings has absolutely no chance of ever being enacted.
Mere “common-sense” regulation, like the assault weapons ban of 1994 that was allowed to lapse 10 years later, does little more than make us feel good. A Justice Department study found “no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.”

As for the only remotely plausible solution, Obama dare not speak its name. He made an oblique reference to Australia, never mentioning that its gun-control innovation was confiscation, by means of a mandatory buyback. There’s a reason he didn’t bring up confiscation (apart from the debate about its actual efficacy in reducing gun violence in Australia). In this country, with its traditions, public sentiment and, most importantly, Second Amendment, them’s fightin’ words.


Obama didn’t say them. Nor did he seriously address the other approach that could make a difference: more aggressive psychiatric intervention. These massacres are almost invariably perpetrated by severely disturbed, isolated, often delusional young men.

Yet even here, our reach is limited. In some cases, yes, involuntary commitment would have made a difference. Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter, was so unstable, so menacing, that fellow students at his community college feared, said one, that he would “come into class with an automatic weapon.” Under our crazy laws, however, he had to kill before he could be locked up.

Similarly, the Navy Yard shooter had been found by police a few weeks earlier in a hotel room, psychotic and paranoid. They advised him to get psychiatric help. Advised. Predictably, he fell through the mental health cracks. A month later, he killed 12 and was killed himself, another casualty of a mental-health system that lets the severely psychiatrically ill — you see them sleeping on grates — live and die wretchedly abandoned.

The problem is that these mass-murder cases are fairly unusual. Take Roseburg. That young man had no criminal history, no psychiatric diagnosis beyond Asperger’s, no involvement in public disturbances. How do you find, let alone lock up, someone like that?

There are 320 million Americans. Schizophrenia affects about 1 percent of the population. That’s about 3 million people. Only a tiny fraction are ever violent — and predicting which ones will be is almost impossible.

Loner, socially isolated, often immersed in a fantasy world of violent video games. There are myriad such young men out there, but with different ages of onset, in different stages of derangement. Only a handful will ever harm anyone. What to do? Forcibly apprehend them, treat them, put them on perpetual preventive parole? By the tens of thousands?

Committing the Jared Loughners would have an effect. But even they are the exception among the shooters. Yet “common-sense” gun control would do even less. Unless you’re willing to go all the way.

In the final quarter of his presidency, Obama can very well say what he wants. If he believes in Australian-style confiscation — i.e., abolishing the Second Amendment — why not spell it out? Until he does, he should stop demonizing people for not doing what he won’t even propose.
 
part of the problem is headlines like this:

Gun Violence Claims Baby's Life in Cleveland; Police Chief in Tears

http://news.yahoo.com/video/gun-violence-claims-babys-life-002141089.html

Headline says the above. First sentence says 'gun and gang violence". Why wouldn't the headline say "Gang Violence Claims Baby's Life in Cleveland"? Because that ain't what the MSM wants people to see.
 
I've never had a gun nor wanted a gun, but I have been considering it lately. Just thinking we probably should buy one while we still can.
 
I've never had a gun nor wanted a gun, but I have been considering it lately. Just thinking we probably should buy one while we still can.

Indeed. Have you been to a gun range to see what firearm suits you? Pretty much every range will allow you to rent a gun. Try out Glock 9 mm and 40 caliber. I recommend that you do so, and then sign up for a gun safety class. Learn how to load, unload and clean the gun.
 
I hope the Dems make it an election issue


Gun sales hit a record high for the fifth month in a row

The FBI conducted 1,795,102 firearm background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in September, suggesting gun sales were at an all-time high that month.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...h-in-a-row/ar-AAffYEt?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=U305DHP

I've been saying for a while now that this is the one and only jobs plan of The Big O that has worked.
 
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