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Ok hold on now, Maybe we need to increase global warming! Winter Is Coming!

You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.
 
You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

Bullshit. There are plenty of scientist that don't believe that ****. Tell me what those scientist said about the Antarctic ice sheet? Was it this? I bet not.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses-nasa-study.htm

And they've been caught lying many times:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...tegate/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
 
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You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

You guys unable to think independently, constantly eating the spoon-fed crap faithfully glorified by governments and those paid by governments (just like in Galileo's time) really distort what is fact and what is bs marketing. Give your head a shake as you gently pull it from your ***, then look up the scientific method and try to educate yourself, even a little bit. A tiny nod to the cyclical nature of nature, and any thinking person would clearly laugh at the arrogance of assuming one could simply model the complexity of the natural world.
 
You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

I don't believe in AGW because the scientists that proffered the theory had their emails hacked and in the emails the hackers released the scientists talk about how they cooked the data to make the theory look plausible.
 
You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

Skepticism is always healthy! Blind faith in man's altruism is far more dangerous.
 
You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people .


100 years ago what was considered "settled science" has been proven completely wrong. Real "Science" never stops changing, never stops learning.

The warmists are the new flat-earther sycophants of the day - huddled around their AlGore prayerbooks like good little sheep.
 
The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”
In other words, the scientific community now has a mystery on their hands. Where is that .27 millimeters of annual rise coming from?

Seems to be another opportunity to find out how to squish this into a model rather than figure out why the model is wrong.
 
100 years from now everyone will be laughing at the supposed "settled science" of today.


Galileo and scientific consensus “In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual”

In 1847 Ignaz Semmelweis discovered that disinfection of the hands significantly reduced the incidence of puerperal fever in obstetric clinics. Puerperal fever was the single most common cause of maternal mortality in the 18th and 19th centuries. However, the scientific consensus did not accept Semmelweis’ empirical evidence but dismissed his findings, often with contempt.

He did not accord with the established opinion of the day and was considered by some to have no scientific basis for his claims. Others were insulted by the idea that their hands were being described as “dirty”.

It was also pointed out that Semmelweis was saying nothing new. In 1843 Oliver Wendell Holmes, had published an essay on the contagiousness of puerperal fever but his views were attacked by the scientific establishment. Sadder still is the fact that in 1795, Dr. Alexander Gordon had published a paper on the contagious nature of puerperal fever and the importance of the right hygiene practices in order to prevent its spread. His paper acknowledged the strong opposition he confronted and the attempts to suppress the truth.

How many lives could have been saved if the scientific consensus had not been so stubborn? Nobody in the scientific establishment today would dare to describe the findings of Gordon, Holmes or Semmelweiss as stupid but it was not always so.


USA Symposium opposes Continental Drift

On January 6th 1912, Alfred Wegener presented his hypothesis on Continental Drift but the scientific consensus was unimpressed. He was unable to support his circumstantial evidence with a specific mechanism that explained it. He speculated that centrifugal force might be responsible or the astronomical precession. In spite of the opposition of the scientific consensus he continued to develop his ideas and a symposium was specifically organised in the United States in opposition to his hypothesis.

In 1943 the noted palaeontologist George Gaylord Simpson strongly attacked Wegener’s position in the American Journal of Science and this influenced those who had been sympathetic to change their views.

Once again the scientific establishment backed the wrong man. Wegener’s inability to posit the right physical mechanism did not mean that his hypothesis was wrong, but it was the primary reason the consensus was against him. In addition he committed the cardinal crime of not actually being an expert. Wegener was not a geologist so his evidence apparently lacked authority.


The history of science is littered with occasions when the scientific consensus has wrongly challenged the minority voice and in so doing has impeded the progress of science.

Closed minds, personal offence, political and social constraints have all played their part in preventing proper consideration of the data. This was then exacerbated by the way professional credibility was questioned, motives were misrepresented and individuals were vilified.

The top 10 most spectacularly wrong widely held scientific theories

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2010/1...ularly-wrong-widely-held-scientific-theories/


In 1949, Antonio Egas Moniz achieved the Nobel Prize of Physiology and Medicine for discovering the great therapeutic value of lobotomy, a surgical procedure that, in its transorbital versions, consisted of introducing an ice pick through the eye's orbit to disconnect the prefrontal cortex. Thousands of lobotomies were performed between the decade of 1940's and the first years of 1960's, including Rosemary Kennedy, sister of President John F. Kennedy, on the list of recipients; all of them with the scientific seal of a Nobel Prize.
 
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You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker.

Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

Del, if ever an article was written about you, this one is it (posted in another thread): http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-tyranny-of-a-big-idea-1446510186 - The Tyranny of a Big Idea

But the real question isn’t what drives people to be leaders of a new movement. That’s easy enough to understand. It’s why so many people—usually well-educated, urbane liberals—would wish to be followers....

What matters, rather, is the strength of the longing. Modern liberalism is best understood as a movement of would-be believers in search of true faith. For much of the 20th century it was faith in History, especially in its Marxist interpretation. Now it’s faith in the environment. Each is a comprehensive belief system, an instruction sheet on how to live, eat and reproduce, a story of how man fell and how he might be redeemed, a tale of impending crisis that’s also a moral crucible.

In short, a religion without God. I sometimes wonder whether the journalists now writing about the failure of the one-child policy ever note the similarities with today’s climate “crisis.” That the fears are largely the same. And the political prescriptions are almost identical. And the leaders of the movement are cut from the same cloth. And the confidence with which the alarmists prescribe radical cures, their intolerance for dissenting views, their insistence on “global solutions,” their disdain for democratic input or technological adaptations—that everything is just as it was when bell-bottoms were in vogue.

You would have been one of those, 35 years ago, running around screaming about the Population Bomb. Hundreds of years ago, you'd have been screaming that if you sail your boat too far, you'd fall off the side of the flat earth.

Sadly, belief in the Population Bomb led to many, many bad things, including forced sterilizations and death. AGW/Climate Change/Pending Ice Age hysteria likewise is causing bad things.

You just keep on keepin' on believin' that non-science you call science.
 
You guys in denial of climate change really are off your rocker. Makes me very afraid of what you guys think of scientists and smart people that actually can do immense amount of good in our society. Your theory this is some monetary hoax by scientists is just crazy. That level of skepticism of science is extremely dangerous in my opinion.

You make a strawman argument.

I don't know of anybody who denies that the climate changes - always. Every decade. Every millenia.

Further, I certainly accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and can contribute to higher temperatures.

Here's the rub: What effect do certain levels of CO2 have on temperatures? What model accurately fits both past data, and has correctly portended future climate?

If a model projects an increase of an additional 0.5 degrees C over the next 100 years with considerable CO2 output from petroleum use, that is vastly different than an increase of 3.0 degrees. Until a climate model is shown as a credible and reliable indicator of the effect of CO2 on temperatures, then I submit that spending trillions of dollars and changing the very way we live, eat, farm, travel, etc. based on the climate models is not advisable.

Finally, the AGW crowd brought a lot of doubt and criticism on itself. Mann's refusal to release his underlying data, the mixing of data sets for temperature graphs, the "adjustments" of temperature readings, the manipulation of published papers, etc. resulted in well-deserved criticism.
 
hahahaha

Jus like I perdicted!


GLOBAL COOLING: Decade long ice age predicted as sun 'hibernates'

SCIENTISTS claim we are in for a decade-long freeze as the sun slows down solar activity by up to 60 per cent.

A team of European researchers have unveiled a scientific model showing that the Earth is likely to experience a mini ice age� from 2030 to 2040 as a result of decreased solar activity.

Their findings will infuriate environmental campaigners who argue by 2030 we could be facing increased sea levels and flooding due to glacial melt at the poles.

However, at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, Northumbria University professor Valentina Zharkova said fluctuations an 11-year cycle of solar activity the sun goes through would be responsible for a freeze, the like of which has not been experienced since the 1600s.

From 1645 to 1715 global temperatures dropped due to low solar activity so much that the planet experienced a 70-year ice age known as Maunder Minimum which saw the River Thames in London completely frozen.

She said: "In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other, peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun.

"We predict that this will lead to the properties of a Maunder minimum.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...cade-long-ice-age-predicted-as-sun-hibernates

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Put the Global Cooling deniers in prison!
 
Your guys do realize most of the articles and theories you post as "anti-warming" haven't even been peer reviewed by the scientific community or published as an actual scientific paper, right?
 
Peer reviews? hahahahaha




Major publisher retracts 64 scientific papers in fake peer review outbreak

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ajor-publisher-retracts-64-scientific-papers/

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Publishing: The peer-review scam


http://www.nature.com/news/publishing-the-peer-review-scam-1.16400

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Fake peer review: Scientific journals publish fraudulent ...

When something at the core of scientific publishing begins to rot, the smell of corruption quickly spreads to all areas of science. This is because the act of publishing a scientific finding is an essential part of the practice of science itself.

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Fake Paper Exposes Failed Peer Review


http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic.../title/Fake-Paper-Exposes-Failed-Peer-Review/

You want a job? Tenure? A promotion? A juicy grant? You need to have a list of peer-reviewed publications, for publications are the coin of the scientific realm.
 
Follow the money!

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Global Warming Activists Don’t Like When Someone Follows The Money

Al Gore .. has levied his global warming activism from a net worth of $700,000 in 2000 into an estimated net worth of $172.5 million by 2015. He is not alone in his financial endeavor.

Studies that receive financial support from the public sector do not have to disclose it as a conflict of interest, even when that support is in the millions of dollars.

Recent studies that the Environmental Protection Agency is using to support the scientific case for its Clean Power Plan saw the EPA itself give $31.2 million, $9.5 million, and $3.65 million in public funds to lead authors according to EPA public disclosures.

The author who received $3.65 million, Charles Driscoll, even admitted to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that the result of his study was predetermined, saying "in doing this study we wanted to bring attention to the additional benefits from carbon controls."

Universities typically received about 50 percent of the money that their researchers get in public funds if their research finds positive results, making them deeply dependent upon federal funding and likely to encourage studies which will come to conclusions that the government wants.

“Funding of science, in this particular case, climate change science, is dominated by the federal government. We assert that this will cause recipients of [government] grants to publish findings that are in-line with government policy preferences. ” -Chip Knappenberger, the assistant director of the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute.


http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/03/global-warming-activists-dont-like-when-someone-follows-the-money/

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So now you have doubts in the scientific peer review process that pretty much governs everything from medical research to things taught in school to high end scientific discoveries.

This is exactly why I think your skepticism is dangerous. There are thousands of peer reviewed pieces. It's a process the scientific community uses to police itself. Without it science is the exact wack-job stuff you guys keep posting here.

The conspiracy theories you guys are putting forth is just mind boggling.

Just keep going down that rabbit hole of conspiracies everywhere. Lots of good it will do you.
 
ha ha


Bill Gates: Only Socialism Can Save Us From Climate Change!

"Representative democracy" has failed; the private sector is "inept"; and only bigger government - led by China and the US - has the power to save the world from climate change.

So says Bill Gates in a dogmatic but somewhat confused interview with The Atlantic in which he simultaneously pours scorn on green tech solutions but insists that more of them are needed - on a scale bigger than the Manhattan Project - if we are to deal successfully with a problem whose nature he admits may well have been exaggerated by environmentalists.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ed-an-energy-miracle/407881/#article-comments
 
speaking of socialists


On climate change, Pope Francis isn't listening to the world's poor


The global elite has little idea what afflicts the poor, says Pope Francis. He's right ---but that observation sometimes applies to him, too.

In his US visit, the pope is already creating headlines about the urgent need to respond to climate change. Invoking the need to "protect the vulnerable in our world," he calls for an end to humanity's reliance on fossil fuels.

But do the world's poor believe that carbon cuts are a top priority? Since March 2013, the United Nations has sought citizens ranking of 16 policy priorities. More than 8 million people have participated, with nearly 3 million living in the least developed nations.

In fact, an education is the top priority for the world's most disadvantaged, followed by better health care, better job opportunities, an honest and responsive government and affordable, nutritious food.

Both for the entire world and amongst the worst-off, climate comes 16th out of 16, after 15 other priorities. It's not even a close race.

Poorly educated women from low-income countries are among the most vulnerable people on Earth, with the weakest voice in global discussions. Their top priorities are, again, health, education and jobs. Action on global warming ranks dead last. And in Africa, global warming also comes behind every other priority.

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Look at malaria. If we don't tackle it, millions will die, but a lot of other problems become worse, too. Lack of malaria treatment disrupts development, as sick children get fewer nutrients and their schooling suffers. Malaria-endemic societies have lower economic growth rates, so millions will be left in poverty longer.

What's more, climate-change policies such as the cuts on fossil fuels are a terribly inefficient way to help malaria victims. The Kyoto Protocol.s carbon cuts could save 1,400 malaria deaths for about $180 billion a year.

By contrast, just $500 million spent on direct anti-malaria policies could save 300,000 lives. This is true for a wide range of issues.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/23/on-climate-change-pope-francis-isnt-listening-to-the-worlds-poor/
 
conspiracies everywhere

yeah - like believing satellite data that compares itself to the 1800's is true and accurate

No "climate scientist" is 10,000 years old to compare actual data, so what you have is a completely fabricated "science" that relies on smaller and smaller periods of time to "predict" the future.

That's science fiction.
 
Global Warming Alert!

Arctic sea ice increasing

ARCTIC sea ice has INCREASED in volume by as much as a third in recent years despite warnings that it is melting away, according to a new study.

Increases in sea ice volume after just one cool summer suggests Arctic sea ice may be more resilient than previously thought, researchers say.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/natur...volume-third-cool-summer-halts-melting-Arctic
 
So now you have doubts in the scientific peer review process that pretty much governs everything from medical research to things taught in school to high end scientific discoveries.

This is exactly why I think your skepticism is dangerous. There are thousands of peer reviewed pieces. It's a process the scientific community uses to police itself. Without it science is the exact wack-job stuff you guys keep posting here.

The conspiracy theories you guys are putting forth is just mind boggling.

Just keep going down that rabbit hole of conspiracies everywhere. Lots of good it will do you.

Ahh, yes, conspiracies like the "Population Bomb."

I believe this was posted before, but it bears repeating...

Scientific peer review is worthy of our skepticism and should always be challenged, for we have a world of history that shows "Science" trying to prevent scientific discoveries from occurring.

Scientific consensus sometimes get so entrenched that it becomes a hindrance rather than a help to the advancement of science. Galileo Galilei had a bit of a run in with the consensus and concluded, “In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual”.

Or...

In 1847 Ignaz Semmelweis discovered that disinfection of the hands significantly reduced the incidence of puerperal fever in obstetric clinics. Puerperal fever was the single most common cause of maternal mortality in the 18th and 19th centuries. However, the scientific consensus did not accept Semmelweis’ empirical evidence but dismissed his findings, often with contempt. He did not accord with the established opinion of the day and was considered by some to have no scientific basis for his claims. Others were insulted by the idea that their hands were being described as “dirty”. It was also pointed out that Semmelweis was saying nothing new. In 1843 Oliver Wendell Holmes, had published an essay on the contagiousness of puerperal fever but his views were attacked by the scientific establishment. Sadder still is the fact that in 1795, Dr. Alexander Gordon had published a paper on the contagious nature of puerperal fever and the importance of the right hygiene practices in order to prevent its spread. His paper acknowledged the strong opposition he confronted and the attempts to suppress the truth.

Or...

Between 1906 and 1940 there was an epidemic of pellagra in the United States with some 3,000,000 cases reported and 100,000 deaths. In 1915 Dr. Joseph Goldberger discovered the cause to be directly linked to poor diet but his empirical evidence was vilified by those who were persuaded the disease was caused by infection. The scientific consensus said no! They leaked some of his secret research to the news media and then impugned his motives. For 25 years an epidemic continued that could have been prevented and offers of federal help from the President were refused. There were major political and social implications involved but surely the scientific establishment were not influenced by these? Perhaps you might investigate the issue yourself to judge whether or not the scientific consensus is ever influenced by factors outside of empirical data.

Or...

On January 6th 1912, Alfred Wegener presented his hypothesis on Continental Drift but the scientific consensus was unimpressed. He was unable to support his circumstantial evidence with a specific mechanism that explained it. He speculated that centrifugal force might be responsible or the astronomical precession. In spite of the opposition of the scientific consensus he continued to develop his ideas and a symposium was specifically organised in the United States in opposition to his hypothesis. In 1943 the noted palaeontologist George Gaylord Simpson strongly attacked Wegener’s position in the American Journal of Science and this influenced those who had been sympathetic to change their views. Once again the scientific establishment backed the wrong man. Wegener’s inability to posit the right physical mechanism did not mean that his hypothesis was wrong, but it was the primary reason the consensus was against him. In addition he committed the cardinal crime of not actually being an expert. Wegener was not a geologist so his evidence apparently lacked authority.

Summation:

The history of science is littered with occasions when the scientific consensus has wrongly challenged the minority voice and in so doing has impeded the progress of science. Obviously any scientific theory has got to be robust enough to withstand the most detailed scrutiny and inquisition. However, the examples cited demonstrate that time and again the problem was not with the empirical evidence. Closed minds, personal offence, political and social constraints have all played their part in preventing proper consideration of the data. This was then exacerbated by the way professional credibility was questioned, motives were misrepresented and individuals were vilified.

You can continue to call it a "conspiracy theory" but I like to think we've evolved. History shows these practices have occurred for centuries. Now, we have access to more information and have a louder voice and have the ability to challenge.

Keep on being a lemming.
 
Early November in western Pennsylvania and it was 77* yesterday and today. I love me some global warming.
 
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