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Not the moment SF, not the moment...
We will not live in our fears. Just in our stupidity.
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Did Tomlin make the right calls?
1 ) The Steelers have a money kicker in Boswell, who was 14 of 15 for the year. Instead of taking the points, Tomlin okays a trick play. The trouble is as soon as a QB comes in as the holder the element of surprise is gone! Then the Steelers attempt to throw to a big and slow tackle ( A Tight End would have been better ) and Landry Jones throws the interception. Had Tomlin taken the three points, we could have had the lead late in the 4th quarter when he opted for a field goal putting lots of pressure of Seattle to score. As it was Seattle had the lead after the field goal in the 4th quarter because of this ill-advised trick play. But if we had taken the points...
2 ) Late in the game Tomlin faced a 4th down. The Steelers were down more than 3 points to take the lead. A touchdown puts us ahead late in the 4th quarter. Our defense was not playing well that day. Kicking a field goal only allows Seattle to keep the lead.
If your defense was playing well, maybe you take the field goal, but it wasn't that day!
Tomlin kicked a harmless field goal. Had he gone for it, and scored a touchdown the Steelers chances of winning the game, I think would have been better. If we score a TD, the lead is ours. Even if we did not convert on 4th down, Seattle is backed up and we could force a punt that gives us the ball back with timeouts to go for the touchdown.
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1 ) The Steelers have a money kicker in Boswell, who was 14 of 15 for the year. Instead of taking the points, Tomlin okays a trick play. The trouble is as soon as a QB comes in as the holder the element of surprise is gone! Then the Steelers attempt to throw to a big and slow tackle ( A Tight End would have been better ) and Landry Jones throws the interception. Had Tomlin taken the three points, we could have had the lead late in the 4th quarter when he opted for a field goal putting lots of pressure of Seattle to score. As it was Seattle had the lead after the field goal in the 4th quarter because of this ill-advised trick play. But if we had taken the points...
2 ) Late in the game Tomlin faced a 4th down. The Steelers were down more than 3 points to take the lead. A touchdown puts us ahead late in the 4th quarter. Our defense was not playing well that day. Kicking a field goal only allows Seattle to keep the lead.
If your defense was playing well, maybe you take the field goal, but it wasn't that day!
Tomlin kicked a harmless field goal. Had he gone for it, and scored a touchdown the Steelers chances of winning the game, I think would have been better. If we score a TD, the lead is ours. Even if we did not convert on 4th down, Seattle is backed up and we could force a punt that gives us the ball back with timeouts to go for the touchdown.
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I did not agree with Tomlin's fake FG play. However, the play was actually drawn up correctly and a better throw by Jones give us a 1st or a TD.
But some of you are putting way too much emphasis on this one play. That fake was not the turning point of the game.
If we want to focus on game killing drives/plays, look no further than the INT during the 3rd quarter. We were up 7 points, our defense had forced two 3-and-outs. But then we somehow throw a pick to a DT. After that, the Seahawks' offense found their momentum. This was the defining play of the game.
I did agree with the FG towards the end of the game. The Seahawks have one of the best red zone defenses in the league- not to mention Ben was concussed at that point.
But some of you are putting way too much emphasis on this one play. That fake was not the turning point of the game.
If we want to focus on game killing drives/plays, look no further than the INT during the 3rd quarter. We were up 7 points, our defense had forced two 3-and-outs. But then we somehow throw a pick to a DT. After that, the Seahawks' offense found their momentum. This was the defining play of the game.
I did agree with the FG towards the end of the game. The Seahawks have one of the best red zone defenses in the league- not to mention Ben was concussed at that point.
Coach, you do realize that we have FOURTY FOUR other threads on these same topics, right???
Use the search feature, man!!!
Use the search feature, man!!!
It's costing much more than that, it's reducing the chances of getting another Lombardi trophy with our franchise QB, who is not at all getting any younger nor healthier......
The fake fg was just stupid because they got to see our personnel, no surprise.
The fg that made it 32-30 was ******* stupid, we weren't able to stop their O the entire second half, so you either put the game in your offenses hands or you rely on your D to get a stop. If you don't get the TD Seattle is pinned inside the 5.
The fg that made it 32-30 was ******* stupid, we weren't able to stop their O the entire second half, so you either put the game in your offenses hands or you rely on your D to get a stop. If you don't get the TD Seattle is pinned inside the 5.
Even on the pick in the 3rd, Ben was actually trying to avoid one and couldn't pull it back. So I can't rip him for that one.
My problem with him is if he is calling the plays, he cannot forget his running game. When they had a 1st on the 10 in the 4th, I knew it would be a field goal. I would have had more confidence if they had 1st down at the 12, so they could have worked a first down. This team struggles scoring TDs when they are 8-10 yards out on 1st. But he went away from the run there. All they were doing was passing, one would think a run would have netted some positive yardage in the sequence.
As per coaching, when you watch football there seems to be stupidity all over the league, except New England. It's unbelievable that Belechick never seems to do these stupid *** things. The teams with the better records overcome coaching stupidity. Jones throws a better pass. they overcome that coaching fart. Dupree puts his hands up, they overcome keeping Blake out there.
My problem with him is if he is calling the plays, he cannot forget his running game. When they had a 1st on the 10 in the 4th, I knew it would be a field goal. I would have had more confidence if they had 1st down at the 12, so they could have worked a first down. This team struggles scoring TDs when they are 8-10 yards out on 1st. But he went away from the run there. All they were doing was passing, one would think a run would have netted some positive yardage in the sequence.
As per coaching, when you watch football there seems to be stupidity all over the league, except New England. It's unbelievable that Belechick never seems to do these stupid *** things. The teams with the better records overcome coaching stupidity. Jones throws a better pass. they overcome that coaching fart. Dupree puts his hands up, they overcome keeping Blake out there.
Yea, so if the defense can't stop anybody instead of an 80 yard pass it's a plus 90 yarder? If the defense can't stop anybody, they can't stop anybody. Getting it inside the 5 makes no difference.
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It wasnt stupid.
Big Ben was concussed at the point. So you would be bringing Landry in against on of the best RZ defenses in the league.
Furthermore, we would have been depending on our defense to get a stop regardless if we went for the FG or the TD.
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Then you should blame Ben for doing that stupid ****.....why does coach get the blame for the QB going for the long ball instead of the shorter chain-moving options ?
Everyone wants to criticize the game plan when the game plan we used worked magnificently.....we averaged over 8 yrds per play yesterday. At one point during the telecast they said they were seeing the Seahags in alignments they'd never seen before simply because they were being exploited in the passing game. Seattle got absolutely worked on "D" yesterday. Whats the need to run when youre destroying them with the pass ? Conservative ? **** conservative....this team is loaded with weapons, especially in the passing game. Seattle knew what was coming, yet they powerless to stop it (outside of illegal contact and PIs that weren't called).
I guess I don't see the issue with marching up and down the field with the gameplan we executed so well.
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As is some of Bens untimely INTs.........don't leave out that key ingredient.
You may want to rephrase this. Remember what happened at the end of the game when the Steelers were down by 5 points.
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If we had gone for it on fourth and not made it, yall would still be bitching about not taking the points and Shades throwing caution to the wind. Never happy...
Tomlin took the 3 because apparently he had hope the defense would give us at least one more stop. Seattle went turtle mode and the RB almost coughed it up in the backfield. They connected on third down....had we stopped em, we would have gotten it back with a chance to win. Give credit to Russell though....he made a key throw that sealed it for them.
I still stand by my belief that TOs lost this game....Pitt 4 of them,....Seattle, none...........who the **** wins a neg 4 TO differential ? Nobody...absolutely nobody !!!
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Cant give a cheater any credit for greatness.............Lance Armstrong cheated, Sosa, Bonds, AROD and McGuire cheated.....cheaters shouldn't be given credit for greatness
Hang on, didn't you just say (three posts above actually) @Conservative ? **** conservative....this team is loaded with weapons, especially in the passing game.@ What happened then? Did Tomlin not know that the Steelers offense is loaded with weapons?
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Yeah but at least you tried for the lead. Even though we couldn't stop them, having the lead puts more pressure on them. Starting from inside the 5 down 5 points is a situation I'd rather be in than starting at the 20-30 down 3 points. Either way we need the ball back
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The "Big Ben was concussed" excuse does not fly. Who cares? Tomlin doesn't live in his fears or so he says. And, next man up, that's another of his theories. Plus, he already put Landry on the field in a stupid situation with that fake FG. And, Landry has played before this year, has he not? He came in against Zona, another fine defense. Propping up the Hawks to try and make the decision sound better is nothing but a cop out. Also, you are already down there. If Ben being out now brings fear to Tomlin for some reason, then along with needing a stop to keep the game to 2, you also need Landry to get you the game winning drive. How about this crazy idea? Going for it from the god damned 3 yard line and possibly eliminating most of that stuff.
Tomlin thought it was a good idea and was confident enough to put Landry in to pass on the 4th down fake FG, so why not put it in Landry's hands on 4th down at the 3? Tomlin is throwing darts, making **** it up as he goes. His gut is full of dog ****.
That right there is WHY we SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR IT. NO MATTER, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEPENDING ON OUR DEFENSE TO GET A STOP.
a). Go for it and don't make it, it is still 27-32. Down by 5, Seattle is pinned deep and will most likely run, run, pass. We are depending on our defense to get a stop.
b). Go for it and make it, it is then 33 (or 35 if we make the 2pt conv) to 32. Up by 1 (or 3), we kick off (**short kickoff**), then Seattle gets to the 25-35 yard line. We are depending on our defense to get a stop to win the game.
If you are going to go for the win (against San Diego) when you have a SURE tie to send it to overtime, the RIGHT CALL is to go for the win when you are 3 yards out and in position to take the lead.
** The SHORT KICKOFFS is a whole other topic. WHY THE **** can't we kick the ball out of the endzone??? Force the touch back. We all know our coverage unit is not that good and PRONE to mental errors. I'd be willing to bet some $$$ that Boz is being instructed by Tomlin to kick short to try to pin them inside the 20. **** that, we can't hardly ever pin them inside the 20, so why not kick it out of the endzone?
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This makes no sense. You do realize that Jones would have been the QB to enter the game if the defense got a stop, right?
You have backups for a reason and they are expected to come in and perform when a starter goes down. The standard is the standard.
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I know what I said.........I was speaking in reference to someone asking why we weren't running the ball as part of the gameplan. As for the option to take the 3 in the scenario youre speaking about, I wouldn't have any problem going for it in that scenario. I don't fault executing the kick either. Ben missed an open receiver on that series (Bryant I believe). I think the hit to the head rattled him a bit.
Mike had hoped our defense would give us one last stop. It didn't happen, so we incurred a loss
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I'm with ya. The officiating....man, so bad, so blatantly horrific. I don't get it.
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You have three awesome wide receivers,a great RB who can catch, an awesome tight end on a hot streak, one of the best QBs in the league and instead you opt to have Landry Jones jog out there and throw the ball to a tackle. It took forever, nobody was a bit surprised by it, it was a very poorly designed, unnecessarily risky play, called at a terrible time, and yes, poorly executed. That's about 95% on the coaches.
Could Landry Jones have thrown a better ball? Of course...would it have mattered? Probably not. My grandmama probably could have defended that play with all the time they had.