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A perfect, concise summation of this entire thread, thank you.
Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3
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And the reply might be the same way you do but I have not mastered the ability to get dumber at the same time. Does not seem the least bit out of line.Oh, and I'd have a beer with anyone here on the board, though were I to insult most of you the way I do my friends, I doubt we'd make it past one beer. Hell, my favorite greeting for my closest friend is always "****, how to you keep getting uglier every time I see you".At any rate, I do enjoy these discussions, I just keep getting shocked at how much people put "round value" and "pick value" into things once a guy has a team and a uniform. Sometimes you think you're making a great pick, and everyone agrees, and then it turns to ****, other times, the reverse happens, and more often than not, it's somewhere in the middle. Time will tell, but as long as we end up back in the playoffs this year, we're doing something right.
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at this point, "perceived value" is subjective; regardless of where he was picked, like AB, he will make an impact, or like Troy Edwards, he will disappoint. But he needs to play some games first.
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How did I lie again when they were all YOUR words. Liar. "But but but I was responding to something else..." Bullshit.
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But he's too small, will get eaten up in practice. Will be injured week 1, etc. /evil pot-stirring
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I think the reaction to the Archer pick is mainly because the Steelers' rushing game has been on a decline since the Bus retired, and we've had a parade of similar, small, fast guys like Logan and Rainey who didn't pan out. We're all used to being a bruising, downhill-running team, even when Willie Parker (not necessarily cut from the usual mold of big punishing backs we liked for years) was our primary back. I hope for the best, and hope that "the best" is better than that we get Chris Rainey-type production from him.
Before we took him we had Bell and signed Blount so it cant be that.
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Very good reasoning. I think part of the HUGE mystic around here is the popularity of this LARGE post. Some here would have let it go, but to keep the post going, made contributions they may have normally not done.
I think Archer is better overall than either of these two. We all know Rainey's story / trouble, but Logan had some production as a return man. See next quote
Great point, we didn't draft Archer in any way, for his power. His SPEED is the main reasoning behind the pick. We will see how it translates and bet some here will be pleasantly surprised.
So far, I'm liking what I'm hearing out of camp.
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Your a liar. Here is what you posted:
But you didn't post what I was responding too. Ant and I were discussing two arguments that were going on at the time. Argument one was that some people used absolutes when talking about Archer (He would never make it) and others just talked about the football side of it (he lacked size, small catch radius etc..). I said that I never used absolutes. Which is why I said "I don't recall any poster saying that" (absolutes) but I remembered lots of people talking about his lack of size etc... Which is why I said "I know I didn't say it" referring to the absolutes NOT the size issues etc...
This entire thread I've talked about his size, height etc... That was one of my arguments against taking him along with his draft position. I've never said otherwise. Ant knew exactly what I meant because the discussion continued on those same lines. He also knew what my argument against taking him was and knew I wasn't saying that.
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Here's a guy I forgot about. Marquise Goodwin went 78 overall to the bills and he is 5-8 183lbs but was the fastest guy in that draft class. We took Archer the fastest guy in this draft class 97th overall so who can say Archer was a reach? Everything I read said third round rated so I feel we got at least good value for him.
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This guy went a little while after archer, same basic size, had a pretty good return the other night.
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Understood. I'm just saying that the other small speedsters we've had on the roster in recent years haven't done much (here or elsewhere), camp phenoms often fizzle in September, and I'll reserve any real judgment until after he's played a few full-speed, full-contact games. I'm not passing judgment, just suggesting an explanation for WHY some people reacted to the pick the way they did.
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This entire thread reminds me of an age old bicycle truism.
When shopping for bicycle parts, you can have 2 out of 3 of the following.
It can be strong
It can be light
It can be cheap
You only ever get two out of those three. In the nfl, the difficulty is finding a shifty fast guy who doesn't get killed. That's a lot of what every team is looking for, and why I think we keep trying to hit on the faster smaller guys here and there. And much like the bicycle analogy, if you do find one who proves himself, he's not going to be cheap.
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When shopping for bicycle parts, you can have 2 out of 3 of the following.
It can be strong
It can be light
It can be cheap
You only ever get two out of those three. In the nfl, the difficulty is finding a shifty fast guy who doesn't get killed. That's a lot of what every team is looking for, and why I think we keep trying to hit on the faster smaller guys here and there. And much like the bicycle analogy, if you do find one who proves himself, he's not going to be cheap.
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I'm hearing yaz. I never try to make judgment. I try to let time make it for me. I agree as to the smaller speedsters we have had. I'm willing to give the kid a chance, based on his own merits, rather than past merits of others. I know what you mean, I'm just splaining my view/
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All eyes are on Dri Archer for the Steelers first preseason game
By Jack Finn @JackFinn6 on Aug 9 2014, 6:59a 9
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Rookie third round pick Dri Archer will have his first taste of NFL action tonight against the Giants. Although it is only preseason, his teammates are eager to see what he can do on the field.
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Sometimes, it takes a very dedicated fan to get excited about preseason games, especially the first one.
The starters are often only in for one series, and everyone's moving half as fast and twice as careful. Essentially, there generally isn't much to interest a casual fan, or even first team veterans for that matter.
However, things will be different tonight when the Steelers take the field against the New York Giants. When the Steelers first team comes off the field, it will be time for rookie third round pick Dri Archer to show the Steelers coaching staff, and the world, what he's got.
In case you don't know, he'll be the 5-foot-8 blur that makes you think your television is broke, and every fan is interested in seeing what he can do.
Per Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune, the same goes for his fellow teammates.
"I am real eager to see what he can do," running back Le'Veon Bell said. "He is one of the most explosive players that I've ever seen. When he gets the ball in his hands, you have to look out for him. You have to know where he is at on the field at all times. If anybody is going to do something special, it might be him."
In fact Archer could get a chance to prove his worth on the very first play of the game; he'll be performing kick return duties for the Steelers.
"I will take notice during the kickoff, and as soon as Dri is in the game, I am going to take notice," cornerback Ike Taylor said. "I am sure I am getting up to get a better look."
Improving the Steelers middle of the road return game was one major reason the Steelers drafted the diminutive running back, and he should have multiple opportunities to prove his worth in that regard, however that won't be his only chance to impress.
The Steelers committed themselves to using Archer in a variety of ways, and thus far have stayed true to their word in training camp. He's been moved all over the field. From the backfield to the slot to the outside receiver, Dri Archer has been causing matchup problems for the defense.
This is something that hasn't been lost on his teammates.
"Dri is going to fit in real good with us," Taylor said. "He is going to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams. He just has it. Dri just has it. Anytime he touches the ball or anytime you know he's getting the ball, you kind of stand up and pay attention."
"I don't think anybody can keep up with him. That's a different kind of speed there," linebacker Lawrence Timmons said. "That's matchup problems right there with (defensive backs) and linebackers. That guy there gets in the open field and he's a problem. Every time he has the ball in his hands, he can go yards."
For Archer's part, he is just trying to keep his head on the ground and do his job, not worry over forcing a big play.
"I am going to let it come. If it happens, it happens...I just want to go out there and show the coaches that they can have trust in me, (that I) know my assignments, know what to do and go out there and execute," Archer said. "They have trust but never enough until you show it in the game."
"You don't want to get overly excited where you lose your composure. " Archer said. "I am trying to remain calm. I am excited, but I will be more excited once I step on the field."
Archer may very well be trying to stay calm, but his teammates, the coaching staff and every fan watching will be anything but when he begins his NFL journey tonight.
All eyes are on Dri Archer for the Steelers first preseason game
By Jack Finn @JackFinn6 on Aug 9 2014, 6:59a 9
Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY Sports
Rookie third round pick Dri Archer will have his first taste of NFL action tonight against the Giants. Although it is only preseason, his teammates are eager to see what he can do on the field.
(13) (145) 9 ⋆ 1
Sometimes, it takes a very dedicated fan to get excited about preseason games, especially the first one.
The starters are often only in for one series, and everyone's moving half as fast and twice as careful. Essentially, there generally isn't much to interest a casual fan, or even first team veterans for that matter.
However, things will be different tonight when the Steelers take the field against the New York Giants. When the Steelers first team comes off the field, it will be time for rookie third round pick Dri Archer to show the Steelers coaching staff, and the world, what he's got.
In case you don't know, he'll be the 5-foot-8 blur that makes you think your television is broke, and every fan is interested in seeing what he can do.
Per Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune, the same goes for his fellow teammates.
"I am real eager to see what he can do," running back Le'Veon Bell said. "He is one of the most explosive players that I've ever seen. When he gets the ball in his hands, you have to look out for him. You have to know where he is at on the field at all times. If anybody is going to do something special, it might be him."
In fact Archer could get a chance to prove his worth on the very first play of the game; he'll be performing kick return duties for the Steelers.
"I will take notice during the kickoff, and as soon as Dri is in the game, I am going to take notice," cornerback Ike Taylor said. "I am sure I am getting up to get a better look."
Improving the Steelers middle of the road return game was one major reason the Steelers drafted the diminutive running back, and he should have multiple opportunities to prove his worth in that regard, however that won't be his only chance to impress.
The Steelers committed themselves to using Archer in a variety of ways, and thus far have stayed true to their word in training camp. He's been moved all over the field. From the backfield to the slot to the outside receiver, Dri Archer has been causing matchup problems for the defense.
This is something that hasn't been lost on his teammates.
"Dri is going to fit in real good with us," Taylor said. "He is going to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams. He just has it. Dri just has it. Anytime he touches the ball or anytime you know he's getting the ball, you kind of stand up and pay attention."
"I don't think anybody can keep up with him. That's a different kind of speed there," linebacker Lawrence Timmons said. "That's matchup problems right there with (defensive backs) and linebackers. That guy there gets in the open field and he's a problem. Every time he has the ball in his hands, he can go yards."
For Archer's part, he is just trying to keep his head on the ground and do his job, not worry over forcing a big play.
"I am going to let it come. If it happens, it happens...I just want to go out there and show the coaches that they can have trust in me, (that I) know my assignments, know what to do and go out there and execute," Archer said. "They have trust but never enough until you show it in the game."
"You don't want to get overly excited where you lose your composure. " Archer said. "I am trying to remain calm. I am excited, but I will be more excited once I step on the field."
Archer may very well be trying to stay calm, but his teammates, the coaching staff and every fan watching will be anything but when he begins his NFL journey tonight.
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Steelers eager to see rookie RB/WR Archer's preseason debut
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Published: Friday, Aug. 8, 2014, 9:37 p.m.
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After the first series, it's difficult to get a starter to pay attention to what's going on during a first preseason game.
That won't be the case Saturday when the Steelers travel to the Meadowlands to take on the New York Giants in the preseason opener. Everyone is eager to see what rookie third-round pick Dri Archer can do.
“I will take notice during the kickoff, and as soon as Dri is in the game, I am going to take notice,” cornerback Ike Taylor said. “I am sure I am getting up to get a better look.”
Taylor won't be the only one.
“I am real eager to see what he can do,” running back Le'Veon Bell said. “He is one of the most explosive players that I've ever seen. When he gets the ball in his hands, you have to look out for him. You have to know where he is at on the field at all times. If anybody is going to do something special, it might be him.”
It might not take long, either.
Archer will return kickoffs against the Giants, meaning he could have his hands on the ball immediately.
If not, the Steelers will find ways to get Archer the ball, whether that means lining him up as a running back or placing him in the slot or outside as a receiver.
When the Steelers drafted Archer in May, they envisioned using him in myriad ways. They have done just that through two weeks of training camp.
It has been common for the 5-foot-8, 173-pounder Archer line up as a tailback and run off-tackle, in the backfield and motion to the slot or as a receiver to the outside.
“Dri is going to fit in real good with us,” Taylor said. “He is going to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams. He just has it. Dri just has it. Anytime he touches the ball or anytime you know he's getting the ball, you kind of stand up and pay attention.”
Archer has shown flashes in training camp, but more often than not it's come against second- and third-team defenses. That's likely the groups Archer will face Saturday.
With his 4.2-second speed in the 40-yard dash, he doesn't need much room to break a big play.
“I don't think anybody can keep up with him. That's a different kind of speed there,” linebacker Lawrence Timmons said. “That's matchup problems right there with (defensive backs) and linebackers. That guy there gets in the open field and he's a problem. Every time he has the ball in his hands, he can go yard.”
That means Archer has a chance to provide the first “splash” play, to steal a phrase from coach Mike Tomlin, of the Steelers preseason.
“I would put him at No. 1,” Taylor said about who has the best chance of making a big play.
“I hope so,” Archer said. “I am going to let it come. If it happens, it happens.”
Being on the job for only a short time, Archer said he's just worried about doing his job.
“I just want to go out there and show the coaches that they can have trust in me, (that I) know my assignments, know what to do and go out there and execute,” Archer said. “They have trust but never enough until you show it in the game.
“You don't want to get overly excited where you lose your composure. I am trying to remain calm. I am excited, but I will be more excited once I step on the field.”
Maybe not as excited as some of his teammates.
Steelers eager to see rookie RB/WR Archer's preseason debut
By Mark Kaboly
Steelers Reporter, 412-664-9161
Published: Friday, Aug. 8, 2014, 9:37 p.m.
Updated 14 hours ago
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After the first series, it's difficult to get a starter to pay attention to what's going on during a first preseason game.
That won't be the case Saturday when the Steelers travel to the Meadowlands to take on the New York Giants in the preseason opener. Everyone is eager to see what rookie third-round pick Dri Archer can do.
“I will take notice during the kickoff, and as soon as Dri is in the game, I am going to take notice,” cornerback Ike Taylor said. “I am sure I am getting up to get a better look.”
Taylor won't be the only one.
“I am real eager to see what he can do,” running back Le'Veon Bell said. “He is one of the most explosive players that I've ever seen. When he gets the ball in his hands, you have to look out for him. You have to know where he is at on the field at all times. If anybody is going to do something special, it might be him.”
It might not take long, either.
Archer will return kickoffs against the Giants, meaning he could have his hands on the ball immediately.
If not, the Steelers will find ways to get Archer the ball, whether that means lining him up as a running back or placing him in the slot or outside as a receiver.
When the Steelers drafted Archer in May, they envisioned using him in myriad ways. They have done just that through two weeks of training camp.
It has been common for the 5-foot-8, 173-pounder Archer line up as a tailback and run off-tackle, in the backfield and motion to the slot or as a receiver to the outside.
“Dri is going to fit in real good with us,” Taylor said. “He is going to be a matchup problem for a lot of teams. He just has it. Dri just has it. Anytime he touches the ball or anytime you know he's getting the ball, you kind of stand up and pay attention.”
Archer has shown flashes in training camp, but more often than not it's come against second- and third-team defenses. That's likely the groups Archer will face Saturday.
With his 4.2-second speed in the 40-yard dash, he doesn't need much room to break a big play.
“I don't think anybody can keep up with him. That's a different kind of speed there,” linebacker Lawrence Timmons said. “That's matchup problems right there with (defensive backs) and linebackers. That guy there gets in the open field and he's a problem. Every time he has the ball in his hands, he can go yard.”
That means Archer has a chance to provide the first “splash” play, to steal a phrase from coach Mike Tomlin, of the Steelers preseason.
“I would put him at No. 1,” Taylor said about who has the best chance of making a big play.
“I hope so,” Archer said. “I am going to let it come. If it happens, it happens.”
Being on the job for only a short time, Archer said he's just worried about doing his job.
“I just want to go out there and show the coaches that they can have trust in me, (that I) know my assignments, know what to do and go out there and execute,” Archer said. “They have trust but never enough until you show it in the game.
“You don't want to get overly excited where you lose your composure. I am trying to remain calm. I am excited, but I will be more excited once I step on the field.”
Maybe not as excited as some of his teammates.
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Man, Archer stunk it up tonight huh? I mean, fumbling that punt, then fumbling the game away when he just had to stay down for a first down, ****. I guess everyone was right that we needed to pick Bryant before him just to make sure we got that guy. Oh, wait, what? Bryant was the one fumbling punts (even though I read ALL OVER this thread that archer would never be able to handle punt duty) and Bryant was the guy who fumbled the ball away? Hmmm. That's strange.
We will see what the rest of the pre season, and the regular season holds, but one of these guys looked pretty good, and the other, well, not so much.
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We will see what the rest of the pre season, and the regular season holds, but one of these guys looked pretty good, and the other, well, not so much.
Joe
Lol @ T-man. Rought nite for Martavis. Been tearing it up in practice the last week or so hopefully get better. Landry Jones looks alot better in shotgun then under center.. no huddle might fit him.
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Chris Rainey had 2 catches for 65 yards in his debut. Archer looked awful on punt returns,looking scared and ducking immediately after catching the ball and then hesitating and not quickly turning upfield on the 2nd. He loooked incredibly fast on the reception.
**** we was told he couldnt catch the ball at all.
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I have been here since we were debating Kordell Stewart being the starting quarterback. I have never, ever, in that time, had to ignore a poster for being a ******* idiot. I'm considering it with you. Does that give you any idea of how ******* completely painful and idiotic every ******* post I've read from you so far has been? Just curious.
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Learn a little about football and you will see im right. Reading your posts leads me to believe you are new to the game ,stupid or probably both.
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