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The playmaking skills of Burns.

Coach said:
WJIII was my favorite of the bunch. He lit up minicamp, then got hurt.

I'm not disappointed with Burns progress. He needs to work on avoiding flags, but it's been a while since we had a corner with size, length and ball skills.
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For a guy who missed camp and worked into shape after an injury, I'd say his progress has been very good. That he's got some penalties isn't a surprise. Any DB is going to get called for penalties with the rules now. He's got to minimize those penalties and I think he will get to a point where he's not using his hands as much.
 
When are we going to see a thread about the playmaking of Davis? [emoji3]


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CoolieMan said:
and how many games has Davis started?

a safety has more impact on a game than passes defended or interceptions...

Davis has easily shown he was worth his draft position
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Davis has 3 passes defended, two of which should have been easy interceptions, Coolie.

I checked 59 other safeties have more passes defended ( not sure how many games the entire lot did or did not play in ) and 12 other safeties are tied with him at 3. There are 64 starting safties in the NFL and dozens more sub package players.

So he's not close to Burns level in terms of making plays vs the pass, nor does he rate well compared to his peers at safety.

I do think Davis is good on the blitz if you care to ask me what is he good at.
 
Coach said:
Davis has 3 passes defended, two of which should have been easy interceptions, Coolie.

I checked 59 other safeties have more passes defended ( not sure how many games the entire lot did or did not play in ) and 12 other safeties are tied with him at 3. There are 64 starting safties in the NFL and dozens more sub package players.

So he's not close to Burns level in terms of making plays vs the pass, nor does he rate well compared to his peers at safety.

I do think Davis is good on the blitz if you care to ask me what is he good at.
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How is he on tackling Coach? Think that was where your unrelenting criticism was.
 
CoolieMan said:
and how many games has Davis started?

a safety has more impact on a game than passes defended or interceptions...

Davis has easily shown he was worth his draft position
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Coach will always be anti-Sean Davis. He will still show up with the occasional criticism when Davis has made a couple Pro Bowls. Why, you ask? Because Coach didn't like Davis' college tape. The tape where Davis was playing cornerback because Maryland had no one else to play there.

Raise your hand if you think Coach is qualified to watch tape of a guy playing CB in the ACC and render an intelligent analysis of whether that player would make a good NFL safety and the correct round in which to draft such player.
 
obxsteeler said:
How is he on tackling Coach? Think that was where your unrelenting criticism was.
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He needs work there too, same as Burns. There is a missed tackle report. Davis is 2nd on the list for miss tackles, but his tackle to miss ratio I think is higher than any player with the exception of Tuitt.

I think Davis missed two vs Buffalo, one on the backfield. This thread was created for Burns. Apologies to being baited on a switch to Davis.
 
Coach said:
WJIII was my favorite of the bunch. He lit up minicamp, then got hurt.
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See when Coach likes a player, he will use just about any pathetic morsel of "information" like it's evidence supporting that opinion. Could any bit of information posted on a football message board have less substance than saying "player [x] it up minicamp"??????
 
SteelerAl said:
Coach will always be anti-Sean Davis. He will still show up with the occasional criticism when Davis has made a couple Pro Bowls. Why, you ask? Because Coach didn't like Davis' college tape. The tape where Davis was playing cornerback because Maryland had no one else to play there.

Raise your hand if you think Coach is qualified to watch tape of a guy playing CB in the ACC and render an intelligent analysis of whether that player would make a good NFL safety and the correct round in which to draft such player.
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his opinion doesn't mean ****....trying to compare a rookie safety with just a few starts against guys who have played all season is idiotic. Plus focusing on just those two areas...like those are what defines a good safety. Davis does as is asked of him. and has made many plays at or behind the line of scrimmage to help the Steelers to victory....
 
SteelerAl said:
Coach will always be anti-Sean Davis. He will still show up with the occasional criticism when Davis has made a couple Pro Bowls. Why, you ask? Because Coach didn't like Davis' college tape. The tape where Davis was playing cornerback because Maryland had no one else to play there.

Raise your hand if you think Coach is qualified to watch tape of a guy playing CB in the ACC and render an intelligent analysis of whether that player would make a good NFL safety and the correct round in which to draft such player.
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Well Al, wouldn't the NFL stats pretty much validate what I saw in college. In college I saw few plays on the ball ( Just 3 PD's in two full seasons ) and a lot of missed tackles. In the NFL its the same. Go figure.

I won't be anti Davis if he's a good player. Deal? Back to talking about Burns I hope...
 
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As good as Burns is playing he may lose rookie of the year to Davis. Hmmmmm
 
BLITZ said:
As good as Burns is playing he may lose rookie of the year to Davis. Hmmmmm
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I'll bet Davis is not the Steeler rookie of the year. Since this board is for fun, how about Avatar rights and signature bet for 4 months?

Those who want to take this bet can PM me, I get to pick who I bet and I'm not betting a newbie.
 
Mike Tomlin Says Sean Davis’ Preparation Matching Production



BY*ALEX KOZORA*DECEMBER 20, 2016 AT 12:52 PM


We only see the final results, what happens each Sunday, but if anyone in the NFL wants to play at a high level, it starts on the Monday before. That’s especially true for any rookie trying to prevent his head from spinning as he gets his first dose of reality and how tough it is to play in the league.

For*Mike Tomlin, that preparation is evident from*Sean Davis. He’s taken over the strong safety job from*Robert Golden, recording at least five tackles in the past four games and notching his first career interception.

That doesn’t mean success came right away.*It was a difficult start to the season, asked to bounce around positions, seeing double-duty at slot corner and safety, and opened up the season in the former role. But after struggling initially, the team benched him, they exclusively made him a safety in a move that clearly has paid off.

It’s not just in his play though. It’s in his prep work, his Monday to Saturday routine. And he’s beginning to ask the right questions.

“It’s funny to watch young guys not only improve in play but also improve in the process of preparation,” Tomlin told reporters this afternoon. “Had a funny interaction with him a week ago. He came to my office and asked, how do you prepare for somebody a second time in a season? Because he had never played someone twice in a season before.”


That’s a reality for not just Davis but every rookie on the team. And there are others,*Artie Burns*and*Javon Hargrave as the most noteworthy, playing key roles.

“The process that is preparation,they’re finding their rhythm. They’re finding what works for them. And I think when they do that and as they continue to do that, it’s reasonable to expect a more consistent floor in their performance and a higher ceiling in their performance.”

And that’s what’s been evident with the Steelers’ top three picks. Much more consistent play with a lot of upside, both in the present and definitely in the future.

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Coach said:
I'll bet Davis is not the Steeler rookie of the year. Since this board is for fun, how about Avatar rights and signature bet for 4 months?

Those who want to take this bet can PM me, I get to pick who I bet and I'm not betting a newbie.
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A lot can change with 2 games to go, but right now Burns is the Steelers ROY. The local media votes on this award. If it's close, it goes to the guy drafted higher. 3 interceptions vs. 1 interception. Cornerback has been a screaming need on this team for years. Voters aren't going to be poring over game tape for 50 hours trying to make up their minds. Unless Davis has a couple huge splash plays vs. the Rats, it's over.
 
SteelerAl said:
A lot can change with 2 games to go, but right now Burns is the Steelers ROY. The local media votes on this award. If it's close, it goes to the guy drafted higher. 3 interceptions vs. 1 interception. Cornerback has been a screaming need on this team for years. Voters aren't going to be poring over game tape for 50 hours trying to make up their minds. Unless Davis has a couple huge splash plays vs. the Rats, it's over.
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The guy drafted higher does not always win. The rookie who plays the best does. I can't recall one year where a player was snubbed. Well One year a punter won it. Must have been a really bad rookie year then,
 
Burns plays a harder position, they are both playing well. But Burns would get my nod. Don't get too excited coach because Davis gets points for being a second round pick and already starting. Very close race IMO.
 
Coach said:
I'll bet Davis is not the Steeler rookie of the year. Since this board is for fun, how about Avatar rights and signature bet for 4 months?

Those who want to take this bet can PM me, I get to pick who I bet and I'm not betting a newbie.
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I have never had a avatar or signature. The bet doesn't mean anything to me. But even you must admit by now that you where wrong on davis. I do believe he has a chance at winning ROY. If he doesnt, I a good with that because that means Burns did well. I want them both to do well as they are STEELERS.
 
BLITZ said:
I have never had a avatar or signature. The bet doesn't mean anything to me. But even you must admit by now that you where wrong on davis. I do believe he has a chance at winning ROY. If he doesnt, I a good with that because that means Burns did well. I want them both to do well as they are STEELERS.
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Yep, most REASONABLE Steelers fans would want all the rooks to do well. ALL of them. But some folks get the idea that so-and-so isn't going to be a good player for whatever reason (head's too big, etc) and would rather be proven right than wrong.
 
BLITZ said:
I have never had a avatar or signature. The bet doesn't mean anything to me. But even you must admit by now that you where wrong on davis. I do believe he has a chance at winning ROY. If he doesnt, I a good with that because that means Burns did well. I want them both to do well as they are STEELERS.
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Hargrave has more sacks than both of them combined! Go Steeler rookies!
 
Coach said:
You are free to compare Davis's pass defended and interceptions relative to the other 63 starting safeties to see where he would rate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/b...FL&year=season_2016&sort=113&timeframe=ToDate
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you're an idiot when it comes to this.

change the time frame to when Davis was inserted in the starting lineup - November. Then hit filter.
Davis has 15 solo tackles from November until now. Byron Jones leads this stat, with 24. Davis is tied with Eric Weddle, JJ Wilcox and Clayton Geathers. He has more tackles than TJ Ward, Patrick Chung and a host of others. If you then filter by Total tackles, Kurt Coleman has 30 and Davis has 17 (tied with Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Eric Reid, Devin McCourty, Tony Jefferson, TJ Ward, etc).

Keep in mind, you do not want your safety to be leading the team in tackles. If so, that means your front 7 are being pushed around and the safety must come up.

He has just one PD, but that seems to be the norm. Jimmie Ward has 6, but the 49ers are used and abused, with their secondary being asked to do a lot (Eric Reid has 3). Mike Mitchell has 4.

As for INTs, not a whole lot of safeties in the league are racking up the INTs. Clinton-Dix and Landon Collins each have 3. Mitchell has 1.

Consuming all this, it would lead one to believe that Davis is being asked to play more towards the LOS, allowing Mitchell to drop back in coverage.

Or, what does your gut tell you, since we know you don't watch the games.
 
no no no the ONLY way to compare safeties is with passed defended and interceptions....those are the only things they should be judged on, it doesn't matter if one guy spends a lot of his plays up in the box while the others are in coverage....
 
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