The playmaking skills of Burns.

[Coach]

I have never had a avatar or signature. The bet doesn't mean anything to me. But even you must admit by now that you where wrong on davis. I do believe he has a chance at winning ROY. If he doesnt, I a good with that because that means Burns did well. I want them both to do well as they are STEELERS.

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.

Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

 

[Coach]

Carnell Lake has said Davis has the timing to be one of the best blitzers from his position. I know, what would Lake know about safety play, right? Anyway, keep on hatin coach.

Joe

And I agree with that and quickly said that is the best part of the game. But the man has issues in coverage and poor ball skills, plus misses too many tackles.

 

[Coach]

no no no the ONLY way to compare safeties is with passed defended and interceptions....those are the only things they should be judged on, it doesn't matter if one guy spends a lot of his plays up in the box while the others are in coverage....

Can we add i miss tackles too

But you've got my word, I think the man can blitz!

 

[t-man]

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.

Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

Can you archive ot along with the Troys head is too big thread? That would be great, thanks.

Joe

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[mdk2]

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.
Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

He can still be a good player while not being as good as the players listed. He's already better than some 1st round picks.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Well Al, wouldn't the NFL stats pretty much validate what I saw in college. In college I saw few plays on the ball ( Just 3 PD's in two full seasons ) and a lot of missed tackles. In the NFL its the same. Go figure.

I won't be anti Davis if he's a good player. Deal? Back to talking about Burns I hope...

Just to reiterate what has been discussed ad nauseam in another thread. Davis had 5 total in college (3.4 years). 3 his final year. Burns had 6 in his final year, 1 in his previous 3 years. Please don't cherry pick stats. You make your argument seem even more foolish.

 

[Stryker]

No need to archive. The search box works just fine:

http://www.steelernation.com/showth...s-impressions&highlight=davis+poor+draft+pick

 

[Ike Kelly]

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.

Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

Why don't you also archive the other Davis bashing threads (missed tackle reports, Forrest Gump moments, your player grades report, etc.). Then you can provide the whole picture, instead on bits and pieces of your logic.

 

[Coach]

Just to reiterate what has been discussed ad nauseam in another thread. Davis had 5 total in college (3.4 years). 3 his final year. Burns had 6 in his final year, 1 in his previous 3 years. Please don't cherry pick stats. You make your argument seem even more foolish.

If any starting DB only touches the ball 3 times a season ( Davis did this twice ) you should look at where he's deployed and question his ball skills.

So far no takers on Davis being as good as current Steeler 2nd round picks in Bell, Tuitt and Gilbert. I do think he has passed Mike Adams!

 

[SteelerAl]

The guy drafted higher does not always win. The rookie who plays the best does. I can't recall one year where a player was snubbed. Well One year a punter won it. Must have been a really bad rookie year then,

Please use some reading comprehension. I wrote "If it's close, it goes to the guy drafted higher."

It's a meaningless award voted on by a bunch of lazy freeloaders (sportswriters). I have no idea why you care about it in the slightest.

 

[t-man]

If any starting DB only touches the ball 3 times a season ( Davis did this twice ) you should look at where he's deployed and question his ball skills.

So far no takers on Davis being as good as current Steeler 2nd round picks in Bell, Tuitt and Gilbert. I do think he has passed Mike Adams!

Gilbert sucked *** for his first year. Wasn't Sweed taken in the 2nd round.... Now THERE is a bust for ya.

Joe

 

[Ike Kelly]

If any starting DB only touches the ball 3 times a season ( Davis did this twice ) you should look at where he's deployed and question his ball skills.

So far no takers on Davis being as good as current Steeler 2nd round picks in Bell, Tuitt and Gilbert. I do think he has passed Mike Adams!

But Burns didn't sniff a touch until his Sr. Year at Miami. And he was a CB. Much more of a evaluation metric than a Safety. Which by the way, Davis had 3 PDs to Burns 6 as a Sr. Plus he was playing CB not his natural position of S. Davis had 3 less than Burns as a senior, but one more as a freshman through Junior seasons. Your argument is baseless and smacks of agenda pacing.


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[chipped ham]

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.

Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

Ok, so, should he not be afforded the same amount of time that those others were given? Bell played in, what, 5 games as a rookie? Tuitt showed some flashes but didn't really come on until last year, and Gilbert was considered a weak link on the line for his first 2 years. As a matter of fact, I remember many wanting to get rid of him. Again, this further proves your disdain for the pick, and how much you want to vilify the man. He has to prove to be a superstar as a rookie, because he's not as good as the players you mentioned, even though none of them showed a whole lot until year 2 at the earliest.

 

[t-man]

Ok, so, should he not be afforded the same amount of time that those others were given? Bell played in, what, 5 games as a rookie? Tuitt showed some flashes but didn't really come on until last year, and Gilbert was considered a weak link on the line for his first 2 years. As a matter of fact, I remember many wanting to get rid of him. Again, this further proves your disdain for the pick, and how much you want to vilify the man. He has to prove to be a superstar as a rookie, because he's not as good as the players you mentioned, even though none of them showed a whole lot until year 2 at the earliest.

You're going to confuse this perfectly good argument with a stack of useless facts. How dare you.

Joe

 

[ark steel]

https://www.udacity.com/course/intro-to-statistics--st101

for coach

 

[Superman]

Cooch never called Davis a bust. True.
Similar to someone saying "it's tall, green, provides shade and is round" not describing a tree but instead describing the jolly green ******* giant.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I never called Davis a bust. Just described his play which at many times was poor, and mentioned he is a rookie who can improve. He's starting because we have zero depth or quality at the position, aside from Mitchell.

But the deal is this. He's a 2nd round pick. Those pick need to play well. Will he be as good as Gilbert, Bell or Tuitt? I'll speak up and go on record and say no.

Those who disagree can speak up here, as I just might archive this thread.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong coach.

You have stated "I predict he will be a bust", "his play is horrible because all the tape you purportedly watched on him in college. Poor tackler, coverage skills, football knowledge" Remember? Plus you have never said he is starting because there is no depth. You implied Golden and Dangerfield were better players and Davis was benched because of his poor play. All remarks which were constantly reiterated.

Here's the thread. Feel free to review and "remember" what you actually said.

Sean Davis 3rd Forrest Gump moment
http://www.steelernation.com/showthread.php?9953-Sean-Davis-3rd-Forrest-Gump-moment

Even more threads to illuminate your personal reflection....

http://www.steelernation.com/showth...-see-a-reduced-work-load&highlight=Sean+Davis

http://www.steelernation.com/showth...-Davis-ability-to-tackle&highlight=Sean+Davis

http://www.steelernation.com/showth...fense-for-9-games-played&highlight=Sean+Davis

http://www.steelernation.com/showthread.php?9202-Missed-tackle-report-week-5&highlight=Sean+Davis


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[Steeltime]

Wrong, wrong, and wrong coach.

You have stated "I predict he will be a bust"

No, no, no. Coach was talking about Sean Davis' bosom in that thread, a.k.a., his bust.

 

[Stryker]

No, no, no. Coach was talking about Sean Davis' bosom in that thread, a.k.a., his bust.

I agree, I believe his bust potential actually was taken from his bra size measurements at the combine...

 

[antdrewjosh]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1739818-rookie-dbs-no-longer-rookies

Improvement of Rookie Steelers DBs Coincides with 5-Game Win Streak



JIM WEXELL

Yesterday at 7:58 PM

The Ravens could be without their best DB, Jimmy Smith, while the young Steelers secondary has made big strides since last meeting.

PITTSBURGH -- In*Artie Burns' first NFL start, he intercepted a pass.

He tried to intercept two, but as he put it "I got a little greedy" and he made a mistake.

Ninety-five yards later, Mike Wallace had the Baltimore Ravens ahead 7-0 on their way to a 21-14 win.

"It wasn't him," Wallace said of Burns on Wednesday. "It was me. I made a good play."

Wallace was on the phone Wednesday because the Ravens are playing the*Steelers*again on Sunday. This time the Steelers have a chance to clinch the AFC North championship, and the progress Burns and fellow rookie*Sean Davis*have made in the secondary since that first Ravens game could go a long way in determining the outcome.

While Burns was making his first start against the Ravens, Davis was just being moved out of the slot-corner position and beginning his series-by-series rotation at strong safety.

The two rookies played a whopping 69 percent of the available snaps that day, and Davis' role increased even further in the next game. The game after that, in Cleveland, both rookies started together for the first time as the Steelers began their current five-game winning streak.

"The biggest thing for them has been communication," said cornerback Ross Cockrell. "Just being verbal on the field, talking to us, relaying calls, how we're going to change coverages, how we're going to move within a coverage. That's where they've grown since that first Baltimore game. Now we are more fluid on the back end because our communication is so much stronger with Artie and Sean talking more and not just waiting on us to make calls."

"At the beginning of the year," said free safety Mike Mitchell, "you would give them a call and I would be trying to get lined up still wondering 'Does he got it?' Whereas now I give them the call and it's 'You better got it' and I just go play. The trust level is there."

In the last five games, the Steelers have allowed opposing quarterbacks a 71.1 passer rating.

In the previous nine games, the Steelers had allowed a QB rating of 92.9.

In these last five games, Burns has added two more interceptions, six pass-defenses and 21 tackles. He's made monumental improvement in his tackling after being embarrassed a couple of times early in the season. But Burns was drafted in the first round to cover receivers, and he has the speed to cover the beep-beep type of deep threats such as Wallace.

Burns has also improved in other areas.

"Watching film and then putting it into practice on the field has helped so much," he said. "Before, I was watching film but I was hurt and couldn't really put things together. Now that I'm on the field everything's starting to come together."

Last Sunday, for instance, a series after Cockrell had broke hard to bat away a third-down Bengals pass late in the fourth quarter, Burns ended the Bengals' final possession by breaking up another third-down pass.

"That was all about film study," Burns said. "I knew they were a big comeback team on third-and-10-plus. When they've got to get a third down, they go out and run comebacks. I was waiting for him to break and I came down on it."

The back-to-back third-down PBUs were no doubt a welcome sight to a fan base that had become accustomed to cornerbacks tackling the catch instead of playing the ball.

And Davis, the second-round pick, is beginning to rekindle the hope of the Steelers having another star player at the strong safety position. The Steelers have only gone to Super Bowls when they've had Pro Bowl-level players at strong safety -- Donnie Shell, Carnell Lake and Troy Polamalu.

Davis, with big stops at the goal line Sunday, a sack at Buffalo and an interception of Eli Manning, along with 28 tackles in the last five games, is showing that kind of promise.

And he's smart.

"I could ask him the call now and he would exactly tell me what we're doing and probably know what a lot of the other guys are doing," said Mitchell. "His maturity and growth from that standpoint has been outstanding. And Artie is no different."



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[Ike Kelly]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1739818-rookie-dbs-no-longer-rookies

Improvement of Rookie Steelers DBs Coincides with 5-Game Win Streak



JIM WEXELL

Yesterday at 7:58 PM

The Ravens could be without their best DB, Jimmy Smith, while the young Steelers secondary has made big strides since last meeting.

PITTSBURGH -- In*Artie Burns' first NFL start, he intercepted a pass.

He tried to intercept two, but as he put it "I got a little greedy" and he made a mistake.

Ninety-five yards later, Mike Wallace had the Baltimore Ravens ahead 7-0 on their way to a 21-14 win.

"It wasn't him," Wallace said of Burns on Wednesday. "It was me. I made a good play."

Wallace was on the phone Wednesday because the Ravens are playing the*Steelers*again on Sunday. This time the Steelers have a chance to clinch the AFC North championship, and the progress Burns and fellow rookie*Sean Davis*have made in the secondary since that first Ravens game could go a long way in determining the outcome.

While Burns was making his first start against the Ravens, Davis was just being moved out of the slot-corner position and beginning his series-by-series rotation at strong safety.

The two rookies played a whopping 69 percent of the available snaps that day, and Davis' role increased even further in the next game. The game after that, in Cleveland, both rookies started together for the first time as the Steelers began their current five-game winning streak.

"The biggest thing for them has been communication," said cornerback Ross Cockrell. "Just being verbal on the field, talking to us, relaying calls, how we're going to change coverages, how we're going to move within a coverage. That's where they've grown since that first Baltimore game. Now we are more fluid on the back end because our communication is so much stronger with Artie and Sean talking more and not just waiting on us to make calls."

"At the beginning of the year," said free safety Mike Mitchell, "you would give them a call and I would be trying to get lined up still wondering 'Does he got it?' Whereas now I give them the call and it's 'You better got it' and I just go play. The trust level is there."

In the last five games, the Steelers have allowed opposing quarterbacks a 71.1 passer rating.

In the previous nine games, the Steelers had allowed a QB rating of 92.9.

In these last five games, Burns has added two more interceptions, six pass-defenses and 21 tackles. He's made monumental improvement in his tackling after being embarrassed a couple of times early in the season. But Burns was drafted in the first round to cover receivers, and he has the speed to cover the beep-beep type of deep threats such as Wallace.

Burns has also improved in other areas.

"Watching film and then putting it into practice on the field has helped so much," he said. "Before, I was watching film but I was hurt and couldn't really put things together. Now that I'm on the field everything's starting to come together."

Last Sunday, for instance, a series after Cockrell had broke hard to bat away a third-down Bengals pass late in the fourth quarter, Burns ended the Bengals' final possession by breaking up another third-down pass.

"That was all about film study," Burns said. "I knew they were a big comeback team on third-and-10-plus. When they've got to get a third down, they go out and run comebacks. I was waiting for him to break and I came down on it."

The back-to-back third-down PBUs were no doubt a welcome sight to a fan base that had become accustomed to cornerbacks tackling the catch instead of playing the ball.

And Davis, the second-round pick, is beginning to rekindle the hope of the Steelers having another star player at the strong safety position. The Steelers have only gone to Super Bowls when they've had Pro Bowl-level players at strong safety -- Donnie Shell, Carnell Lake and Troy Polamalu.

Davis, with big stops at the goal line Sunday, a sack at Buffalo and an interception of Eli Manning, along with 28 tackles in the last five games, is showing that kind of promise.

And he's smart.

"I could ask him the call now and he would exactly tell me what we're doing and probably know what a lot of the other guys are doing," said Mitchell. "His maturity and growth from that standpoint has been outstanding. And Artie is no different."



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Coach,Wexell seems to disagree with your assessment of Davis.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

If any starting DB only touches the ball 3 times a season ( Davis did this twice ) you should look at where he's deployed and question his ball skills.

So far no takers on Davis being as good as current Steeler 2nd round picks in Bell, Tuitt and Gilbert. I do think he has passed Mike Adams!

So, in order for Davis to be a good pick in your eyes, he has to be as good at his position as:

1. The best RB in the NFL. (Seems like a legitimate criteria)
2. Tuitt, who has been good, but did not start really consistently show his potential until Heyward went down for the season.
3. Gilbert, who was so bad his first two seasons that many were hoping and praying that we'd get rid of him somehow, some way before he got Ben killed.

I don't see him being as good as Bell. I don't see many being that good and find that criteria to be preposterous. He could be as good as Tuitt by year 3. It took Tuitt awhile to "get it" and start playing consistent football. And yeah, I do think he could be as good at his position as Gilbert.

*You said he's only starting because we don't have anyone to challenge him and have terrible depth. Did I miss something and they got rid of Golden? Because as I recall, last year Golden improved to the point where many were questioning whether we even needed to draft a Safety. And he was the starting SS to begin the year. Davis was handed the Slot Corner position in camp because of the injury to Senquez Golson. He had to EARN the start at SS.

 

[bermudasteel]

In the last five games, the Steelers have allowed opposing quarterbacks a 71.1 passer rating.

In the previous nine games, the Steelers had allowed a QB rating of 92.9.

Unpossible - Coach Tomlin doesn't know what he's doing putting rooks on the field this early in their careers. Coach Cowher would have got the best out of our old players and our secondary never sucked under him!

 

[bermudasteel]

So, in order for Davis to be a good pick in your eyes, he has to be as good at his position as:

1. The best RB in the NFL. (Seems like a legitimate criteria)
2. Tuitt, who has been good, but did not start really consistently show his potential until Heyward went down for the season.
3. Gilbert, who was so bad his first two seasons that many were hoping and praying that we'd get rid of him somehow, some way before he got Ben killed.

I don't see him being as good as Bell. I don't see many being that good and find that criteria to be preposterous. He could be as good as Tuitt by year 3. It took Tuitt awhile to "get it" and start playing consistent football. And yeah, I do think he could be as good at his position as Gilbert.

*You said he's only starting because we don't have anyone to challenge him and have terrible depth. Did I miss something and they got rid of Golden? Because as I recall, last year Golden improved to the point where many were questioning whether we even needed to draft a Safety. And he was the starting SS to begin the year. Davis was handed the Slot Corner position in camp because of the injury to Senquez Golson. He had to EARN the start at SS.

Where's my darn Like button???

 

[Superman]

the coaching of Davis in college is why he's able to start in the NFL. Tomlin has nothing to do with it.

/ haters of MR HEAD COACH MICHAEL VINCE LOMBARDI TOMLIN