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Fire Todd Haley thread

There is no question if BEN called his own plays this offense would liven up. Have haley put in the ground work but give Ben the reigns game day.



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Don't fool yourself. As I said earlier, total freak play - should have been a pick-6, turned into a huge reception by Brown.



We've faced one top tier QB all season (Stafford) ; 400yrds ; nuff said

Yeah, and how did KC fare for the first three quarters? Their whopping nine yards of offense did them real well in the first half. Also, how many touchdowns did the Stafford-led Lions produce? Also, you mean that same Case Keemun who got the lions share of reps during the week, who had a decent amount of preparation, who threw for 350 yards and 3 tds the next week, and has looked pretty solid since going into the line-up for the Vikings? He wasn't able to produce jack **** either, yet somehow it's a check against the defense.
 
If Ben called all the plays he'd just be airing it out Bruce Arians-style all the time. We need balance.
Like I said, with all the talent on offense I think it's fair to expect more points. We're just winning because the defense is bailing them out much of the time.
Offense is averaging 20.8 ppg but the defense is only allowing 16.4, second-best in the league.
 
I hate the play calling too...,,But let’s be real, these guys are not executing whatever plays are being called
 
The the other day I was looking at statistics and I saw this Steeler losing season in which they set a one game record for points scored. Way back before many watched the game.

Then I fast forwarded to present day & looked at the Steelers time of possession as I know there is more ways to skin a cat.

They are 5th.


So if you can play sound D and keep the other O off the field by controlling the clock. You can win a lot of football games.

Some will say we have to outscore the Pats to beat them and you are right.

So either you score a lot of points (which the Pats are good at taking away your best threats).

Or you simply play keep away. And limit their red zone TDs.

I will always preach that this O isn't scoring enough as they are middle of the pack.

But like I said in another thread, there is other ways to win.

And I don't care how they win, just that they do it.
 
5th in time of possession is pretty dang good. DEFINATELY a strategy to possess. I've always been a pro-keep the other offense off the field for two reasons with obviously is give our offense a rythum and a chance to score but just as importantly, it gives the defense a chance to rest.
A side benefit is their offense isn't on the field thus NOT a chance to score.



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Then I fast forwarded to present day & looked at the Steelers time of possession as I know there is more ways to skin a cat.

They are 5th.

This statistic is in part because we give up way too many big plays. They score quickly on us and give us back the ball.....We march down the field, use up a ton of clock, and then we fail on our red zone offense.

This cycle has been going on all season
 
Ok, I'm just going to pretend I didn't see that. Really? Epic fail.

Disagree...........We should bring this in at times, say 5-8 times a game....Ben was at his best 2 years ago when when he just unloaded quickly....
 
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Disagree...........We should bring this in at times, say 5-8 times a game....Ben was at his best 2 years ago when when he just unloaded quickly....

I think that ship has sailed.
To me Ben is coasting ( short-timers disease for the military minded ) They need to let him play his game or ship him out. Haley is not the answer but I think if Ben were to be given more latitude, he would produce more than he is now. He can be motivated but not manipulated.
 
WIth this same talent. Do you think Belicheat sticks with Haley?




Who the **** cares what Billicheat (cheating *******)would do. With this same talent do you think MARVIN LEWIS would stick with Haley????????



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To be more specific in my criticism, there are 3 main things that bother me about the Haley offense.

1. Master of none - they do a bunch of things but don't seem to have any 1 thing they are great at. What's their bread and butter? They have a productive run game, but how confident are you they can run for a first down on 3rd and 2 when the defense is looking for it? The passing game makes explosive plays, but why do they fail to convert so often on a 3rd a 6 or shorter type situation?

2. Plays don't seem to build on each other - you watch a great offense and you see a what looks to be the same play but one time it's a run, one time it's a short pass, and another it's a deep shot. The other part of this is the patterns themselves. So many of the steeler plays look like a bunch of unrelated routes, instead of routes that are designed to work together to confuse the defense and get one of the WRs open.

3. Redzone confusion - this is really just the end result one 1 and 2. When the field shrinks, you can't rely on the defense being fooled as easily or playing back because they are afraid of being beaten deep. The Steelers chew up yardage because defenses play back on them, but when the field is compressed, it's a totally different game.

We all know Bell is a patient runner. It seems we also have a patient passing game, always looking to counter punch, to try to do the opposite of what the defense expects.

The problem is when you get to the redzone, you have to attack. Hit the hole hard, run that crisp route, make that quick throw.

And that circles back to point 1. What are the plays where the steelers can so perfectly execute that it's near impossible to stop? With all their talent, there should be quite a few plays like that. And once you have that, then you build the wrinkle off of it and keep the defense guessing.
 
WIth this same talent. Do you think Belicheat sticks with Haley?

Wouldn't matter. On Belicheat's team the OC is just window dressing, he runs the offense. Remember how many of his coordinators won a bunch of games and SB's and went on to do....nothing of significance.

With this same talent do you think MARVIN LEWIS would stick with Haley????????

That's not up to Marvin, it's up to Mike Brown. It would depend if Haley was still under contract. Mike Brown doesn't pay anyone not to work no matter how bad they are. He could be the worst OC on the planet but if he still has a year left on his contract, he will coach for another year.
 
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It was a great thought, just the wrong format, LOL

The only approved grammatical format is "5 WIDE, *******!!!" (must be all caps, a comma, and at least 3 exclamation points) Jeez, you new around here or something? :beers:
 
let's be clear on something, we have AB, JuJu and a coming back Bryant, that's it. There's no other worthy WR of being getting snaps ahead of a TE (be it Vance or Jesse) or Nix and also Bell should be starting the play from the backfield, he is not worth a 3rd WR money, **** that.
 
let's be clear on something, we have AB, JuJu and a coming back Bryant, that's it. There's no other worthy WR of being getting snaps ahead of a TE (be it Vance or Jesse) or Nix and also Bell should be starting the play from the backfield, he is not worth a 3rd WR money, **** that.
Also if you leave Bell in the back field it just gives us more options, he can stay home for blitz pick up, chip on his way out, give the defense something to think about as far as it may be a run, and if you leave Bell in the back field, there's a very good chance that he'll be matched up on a LB if he goes out for a pass.

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