Speed DOES NOT equate to SMARTS.
I mean look at you - you're quick to create a new profile once you get ousted. Those of us that are SMART still have our original personas (Cope included)...
When will Tomlin give rookie Matt Thomas a chance?
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Speed DOES NOT equate to SMARTS.
I mean look at you - you're quick to create a new profile once you get ousted. Those of us that are SMART still have our original personas (Cope included)...
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When will Tomlin give rookie Matt Thoams a chance?
You say yes?
In 10 games active, Thomas has had only 4, FOUR! snaps on defense. He has had 50-60 snaps on ST, and credited with 3 solo tackles. 3 tackles in 50-60 snaps. He didn’t get any D snaps against the second Cleveland game or the blow out Panthers game. None. He has practiced every week (inactive for the first time in Denver), yet still after 10 weeks of practices he still hasn’t replaced Fort or Matakevitch.
You say for reasons unspoken. The spoken reasons although you wouldn’t accept it even if you heard it would probably be, he hasn’t shown in practice the capacity to play in the defense, base or sub packages. His only capacity appears to be for ST coverage. Even then, he has only 4 tackles. Which is behind Fort, Chickillo, Dirty Red, Dangerfield.
“He’s a three down potential player”!. What film are you watching to signify this? Preseason games? He made some plays against guys who aren’t even in the league, much less had a chance to stick with a team.
You can say yes, and blow sunshine up his rear until he actually shows something....anything on ST. Which he hasn’t. Hey I pull for these UFAs as well, because sometimes they have more heart than these primadonnas in the league now. But I have some realistic understanding of when a player has the opportunities to show something rather than be GIVEN an opportunity. At this point Thomas hasn’t shown anything with the opportunities to warrant more play.
Oh and before you harp the coaches suck and don’t give him enough snaps/attention....he is AT PRACTICE performing in front of people who sees if he is picking up the defense. Obviously he isn’t, no matter how fast you think he is.
You say yes to the Telvin Jones and Matt Thomases and think you know more or better than the professionals who actually watch and interact with the players themselves. Just more narrow minded agenda driven narrative speak.
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You say yes?
In 10 games active, Thomas has had only 4, FOUR! snaps on defense. He has had 50-60 snaps on ST, and credited with 3 solo tackles. 3 tackles in 50-60 snaps. He didn’t get any D snaps against the second Cleveland game or the blow out Panthers game. None. He has practiced every week (inactive for the first time in Denver), yet still after 10 weeks of practices he still hasn’t replaced Fort or Matakevitch.
You say for reasons unspoken. The spoken reasons although you wouldn’t accept it even if you heard it would probably be, he hasn’t shown in practice the capacity to play in the defense, base or sub packages. His only capacity appears to be for ST coverage. Even then, he has only 4 tackles. Which is behind Fort, Chickillo, Dirty Red, Dangerfield.
“He’s a three down potential player”!. What film are you watching to signify this? Preseason games? He made some plays against guys who aren’t even in the league, much less had a chance to stick with a team.
You can say yes, and blow sunshine up his rear until he actually shows something....anything on ST. Which he hasn’t. Hey I pull for these UFAs as well, because sometimes they have more heart than these primadonnas in the league now. But I have some realistic understanding of when a player has the opportunities to show something rather than be GIVEN an opportunity. At this point Thomas hasn’t shown anything with the opportunities to warrant more play.
Oh and before you harp the coaches suck and don’t give him enough snaps/attention....he is AT PRACTICE performing in front of people who sees if he is picking up the defense. Obviously he isn’t, no matter how fast you think he is.
You say yes to the Telvin Jones and Matt Thomases and think you know more or better than the professionals who actually watch and interact with the players themselves. Just more narrow minded agenda driven narrative speak.
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Amen.
Just a quick question: What capacity to play in the defense has Bostic shown in GAMES? Not talkin' 'bout PRACTICE.
Shouldn't the professionals have noticed by now that he is as slow and as painful to watch as old people fornicating? The guy isn't even effective in stopping the run like he was earlier in the season, and he is a glaring liability when the opposition throws the ball on early downs.
Even if the professionals don't think Thomas is ready, it's still time to give Fort or Matakevich (my choice) some more of Bostic's snaps. They simply cannot be any worse.
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Bostic is still leading the team in tackles, and by my account he is subbed on all packages. He was brought in to be a run stopper who doesn’t miss tackles. He has been a steadying presence in the middle to get the run defense back on track. Yes the Denver game we gave up a 100+ yards, but the majority of those yards were on 2 plays. One with the no-call on Williams hold, and the other Walton left his gap for Lindsey to spring through.
Obvious passing situations, we are seeing Fort and/or Burnett or on a few occasions the dollar package. So his matchup limitations are recognized, but when he is in the game he knows where he is supposed to be. I know he’s occasionally having to cover a TE, but you got to give credit to the other teams play calling on matchups. Every beat writer has indicated in some fashion Bostic has been a solid pickup to this defense. They knew they weren’t getting another player like Shazier, so the plan was to get someone who stops the run, and tackles well. Coverage can be handled through sub -packages and to an extent, the D has been playing well these past several games with this model. The missing piece being a DB opposite Joe.
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Yep and on top of it , it really is hard for a first year player to impact. Especially on D. Hell Edmunds in many ways doesn't belong out there, but has been force fed with mixed results. We really need Burnett healthy against the Saints and cheats.
Not that Edmunds won't improve I think he will. But these guys you can tell are doing more thinking than reacting out of the gates.
Maybe because Bostic has been playing well. Also, even if Dupree is out he wouldn’t come in for him because he’s not an OLB he plays ILB. That would be the other rookie or Chic.
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I’m not worried about Edmunds at all. They are in different defenses for sure, but compare what he’s done in his rookie season and what Polamalu did in his. We all know, well except Coach, how good he became to be. Maybe Edmunds will be able to measure up to Troys level. Probably not. But if he’s a tier below, that still a solid player who produces.
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Tomlin has been tardy to promote rookies in the past. It took him a while to give Bryant a hat, but look what he did once he got one.
What I know is Williams is SLOW, and Bostic not a cover guy either. This is a passing league where ILB's are no longer just inside the box tacklers. This is perhaps our biggest weakness on defense, yet cool shady won't give another guy with more upside a chance? But he'll keep allowing Washington a lot of playing time despite terrible production?
Thomas is better than either of these guys in coverage, faster and proved to be play maker in the pre-season. His special teams play means ZERO Ike. Did James Harrison ever shine on Special teams?
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I think you mean "don't feed the trolls" and this troll is feeding **** every chance he / she /non gender identified, gets. The Trojan horse was a wholew different story line................................................
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Since you are all about the level of the competition, shen Thomas was making all of these plays in the 3rd and 4th preseason, was it against players who are actually in the NFL?
Looking at the Panther game, it appears as if their QB was Kyle Allen (UDFA now on the PS). That was a sack fumble and another tackle. 3 of his 11 tackles were against a guy who, may be, on the PS and doesn't even have a Wiki page, 4 against a guy who has all of 6 carries on the 2018 season and a couple tackles against two guys not in the NFL. A couple of guys in the TN game are still in the NFL. One is in his 4th year and has 37 yard rushing in 2018.
Bostic wasn't brought in to cover, he was brought in to shore up our ****** tackling, which he has done pretty well. Can Thomas do that while playing against the big boys? Who knows, maybe he can. Maybe he has shown in practice that he cannot?
Looking at the Panther game, it appears as if their QB was Kyle Allen (UDFA now on the PS). That was a sack fumble and another tackle. 3 of his 11 tackles were against a guy who, may be, on the PS and doesn't even have a Wiki page, 4 against a guy who has all of 6 carries on the 2018 season and a couple tackles against two guys not in the NFL. A couple of guys in the TN game are still in the NFL. One is in his 4th year and has 37 yard rushing in 2018.
Bostic wasn't brought in to cover, he was brought in to shore up our ****** tackling, which he has done pretty well. Can Thomas do that while playing against the big boys? Who knows, maybe he can. Maybe he has shown in practice that he cannot?
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The 3rd pre-season game is the key pre-season game. A live pre-season game is more important than practice during the regular season where guys go easy on each other. Judge Thomas on how he did here not in a nondescript practice in the month of November.
Thomas led the team in tackles in the pre-season. In fact he looked good in coverage and rushing the passer too. In terms of player evaluations its not just who you beat, its also about how good you look while doing in. He showed explosiveness, pass rushing ability, tight coverage, speed and solid tackling. With Bud Dupree out, Thomas might get his chance.
Situational football is a weakness of the coaching staff.
I’ll close by asking this question. Would you rather have Thomas playing on third down, or Williams / Bostic?
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Thomas was the surprise inactive last game. Tough to get snaps when you aren't on the gameday roster. This looks a lot like Harrison. Dude has all the speed and talent in the world, he's just not getting it between the ears. Probably doesn't know his assignments, and the coaching staff doesn't trust him. I thought for sure, when Chick was banged up, we'd see him situationally at OLB last game. Nope, inactive.
Though fans want to blame the coaching staff for not using Thomas, also have to start blaming Cowher for not using Harrison, and cutting him twice. Tomlin is the guy that let Porter walk so we could have a DPOY at OLB.
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Coach;558394 [/QUOTE [SIZE=4 said:
Disregarding Benchmarks now? That’s been the MO you’ve always used, albeit improperly with different positions. I was using SS position as a measurement. You say you settle for Ryan Clark? Well you compare him to Edmunds in his rookie season. Clark, who is a fave of mine personally, had 2 tackles in his rookie year as a back up SS with zero starts. So Edmunds has had more impact between the two. In fact Clark didn’t become a full time starter until his third year when he went to the Skins and played SS opposite to Taylor. When he came to Pitt he was a FS and was superb playing next to Polamalu. I only hope Edmunds has a successful career as Clark did.
Hey Nimrod, you imply Edmunds was to get a hat as a money backer in the dollar package, “but it went out if the window”. Yeah, genius because the player who was supposed to be the starting SS, Burnett, was injured. Therefore Edmunds had to go early in his spot. Now they have flipped roles and Burnett is the money backer.
And to your typical anti-Davis agenda rhetoric. You want to compare Davis to Clark since he’s playing Ryan’s FS spot? Let’s compare in the medium you say is truth. Stats. You would “settle” for Edmunds to at least be a Ryan Clark. Clark’s season high PDs as a FS is 8 (in his 8th year). His season high INT is 3 (he did it twice in his 4th and 8th year. Tackles in a season 104. He first reached 90 tackles in his 9th year, and went over 100 his last 4 years in the league. Davis has in 2 1/2 seasons equaled both Ryan’s PD and INT season highs. He had 90 tackles last year(69 as a rookie) and will probably break a hundred this year.
I agree more T/Os or change of possession downs are needed. But those usually happens in bunches, at least that’s historically how it’s occurred. There is a wax/wane to the T/O process.
“I had him at this round that round...” BS talk and only drives your narratives because you hyped/harped all kinds of players for years. Sometimes in the same breath. You can’t get it through that narrow minded skull of yours that the draft is a crap shoot as to where they will be picked, because each team has a formula for success. Some more than others. Others sometimes being God awful. In the same instance, what staff that player goes to is the difference in night and day. TMC knew this. Cope and Del and the couple others who actually do REAL player reviews understand it and use it in their objective findings. You however, can’t grasp objective analysis. Only opinion analysis. Which we all know in your own mind you think you are 100% at.
The draft can’t get here soon enough.....
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YOU are the Trojan Horse . We give you way too many reply posts.
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Dear Lord....man Coach, sometimes I feel pity for you.
How many Rookies did Cowher start for the whole year? Daren Perry is the only player on D to start every game. FYI genius p, it wasn’t Cowher Warhol was keeping young players from starting it was Coach LeBeau who wanted players who understood the zone blitz scheme and didn’t trust young players. He did the same as the DC for a Tomlin.
Tomlin has started rookies, just not right away. Except for Edmunds, TJ, Dupree, Davis, Burns..which lately has been the trend more than anything.
If his ST means zero, what on tape are they going to find idiot? Harrison moved up to back up Porter, because of his ST play you moron.
Just stop....you are embarrassing yourself.
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So you will not address the level of competition? It seems so important in the Oliver thread. Thomas shined in preseason against practice squad players and insurance salesmen, right? That does not translate to doing against actual starting NFL players.
What I do know is, if/when Williams/Bostic get their hands on an actual NFL player in a real game, they can get them tackled. Maybe it is after they caught the ball, maybe it is in the run game. I have no idea about that with Thomas. Preseason doesn't tell me that.
If we cycled out Bostic for Thomas what do you do when (not if) the QB changes it to a run and Thomas isn't as good a tackler as Bostic? You do know offenses do not have to pass on 3rd down, right?
See, I'm not telling you that you are wrong. I'm asking why on earth you are ignoring the level of competition he shined with.