Bullshit and you know it. TROG told us the truth. What you're seeing is make believe.
Clearly it affected your grammatical skills. I hope you have an editor - a good one - for your #1 Selling NYT Best Seller...we...still...wait...for.
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Bullshit and you know it. TROG told us the truth. What you're seeing is make believe.
Clearly it affected your grammatical skills. I hope you have an editor - a good one - for your #1 Selling NYT Best Seller...we...still...wait...for.
Meat is racist.
All I know is I'm having a hard time finding Mac's, Original Chicharrones, Pork Cracklins, 6.25 oz Bag. Love these things.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
So, Fauci and Birx are concerned that states are reopening without meeting their gating requirements according to interviews conducted over the weekend and then on Monday IHME magically updates their numbers to almost DOUBLE the expected fatalities...who again is driving the models? Seems to me the models are nothing more than a tool used by Fauci and Birx to enlist panic for people to agree with them. They show Indiana as projecting over 6,000 deaths when we are currently at 1,200. The fear mongering is unreal. If I were Trump, I would drop Fauci like a bad habit...every time he opens his mouth in an interview he contradicts everything that Trump and Pence are saying.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd/
So, Fauci and Birx are concerned that states are reopening without meeting their gating requirements according to interviews conducted over the weekend and then on Monday IHME magically updates their numbers to almost DOUBLE the expected fatalities...who again is driving the models? Seems to me the models are nothing more than a tool used by Fauci and Birx to enlist panic for people to agree with them. They show Indiana as projecting over 6,000 deaths when we are currently at 1,200. The fear mongering is unreal. If I were Trump, I would drop Fauci like a bad habit...every time he opens his mouth in an interview he contradicts everything that Trump and Pence are saying.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/anthony-fauci-no-scientific-evidence-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-cvd/
Everything being shown today is guess work. Look where the past guesswork has gotten us.
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When we were sane
Even the NYT was somewhat sane...
https://www.aier.org/article/elvis-...dent-and-116000-americans-died-in-a-pandemic/
Elvis Was King, Ike Was President, and 116,000 Americans Died in a Pandemic
Jeffrey A. Tucker | May 4, 2020
The year was 1957.
Elvis’s new movie “Jailhouse Rock” was packing the theaters. The last episode of “I Love Lucy” aired on television. The show “West Side Story” held tryouts in Washington, D.C., and opened on Broadway in September. Ford’s new car the Edsel rolled off the assembly line. The Cold War with Russia was on and “In God We Trust” appeared on U.S. currency. The first Toys R Us store opened.
Also that year, the so-called Asian Flu killed 116,000 Americans. Here is the full summary from the Centers for Disease Control:
Like the current pandemic, there was a demographic pattern to the deaths. It hit the elderly population with heart and lung disease. In a frightening twist, the virus could also be fatal for pregnant women. The infection rate was probably even higher than the Spanish flu of 1918 (675,000 Americans died from this), but this lowered the overall case fatality rate to 0.67%. A vaccine became available in late 1957 but was not widely distributed.
The population of the U.S. at the time was 172 million, which is a little more than half of the current population. Life expectancy was 69 as versus 78 today. Even with shorter lives, it was a healthier population with lower rates of obesity. To extrapolate the data to a counterfactual, we can conclude that this virus was more wicked than COVID-19 thus far.
What’s remarkable when we look back at this year, nothing was shut down. Restaurants, schools, theaters, sporting events, travel – everything continued without interruption. Without a 24-hour news cycle with thousands of news agencies and a billion websites hungry for traffic, mostly people paid no attention other than to keep basic hygiene. It was covered in the press as a medical problem. The notion that there was a political solution never occurred to anyone.
Again, this was a very serious flu, and it persisted for 10 years until it mutated to become the Hong Kong flu of 1968.
The New York Times had some but not much coverage. On September 18, 1957, an editorial counseled: “Let us all keep a cool head about Asian influenza as the statistics on the spread and the virulence of the disease begin to accumulate. For one thing, let us be sure that the 1957 type of A influenza virus is innocuous, as early returns show, and that antibiotics can indeed control the complications that may develop.”
The mystery of why today vast numbers of governments around the world (but not all) have crushed economies, locked people under house arrest, wrecked business, spread despair, disregarded basic freedoms and rights will require years if not decades to sort out. Is it the news cycle that is creating mass hysteria? Political ambition and arrogance? A decline in philosophical regard for freedom as the best system for dealing with crises? Most likely, the ultimate answer will look roughly like what historians say about the Great War (WWI): it was a perfect storm that created a calamity that no one intended at the outset.
For staying calm and treating the terrible Asian flu of 1957 as a medical problem to address with medical intelligence, rather than as an excuse to unleash Medieval-style brutality, this first postwar generation deserves our respect and admiration.
Even the NYT was somewhat sane...
https://www.aier.org/article/elvis-...dent-and-116000-americans-died-in-a-pandemic/
Elvis Was King, Ike Was President, and 116,000 Americans Died in a Pandemic
Jeffrey A. Tucker | May 4, 2020
The year was 1957.
Elvis’s new movie “Jailhouse Rock” was packing the theaters. The last episode of “I Love Lucy” aired on television. The show “West Side Story” held tryouts in Washington, D.C., and opened on Broadway in September. Ford’s new car the Edsel rolled off the assembly line. The Cold War with Russia was on and “In God We Trust” appeared on U.S. currency. The first Toys R Us store opened.
Also that year, the so-called Asian Flu killed 116,000 Americans. Here is the full summary from the Centers for Disease Control:
In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States.
Like the current pandemic, there was a demographic pattern to the deaths. It hit the elderly population with heart and lung disease. In a frightening twist, the virus could also be fatal for pregnant women. The infection rate was probably even higher than the Spanish flu of 1918 (675,000 Americans died from this), but this lowered the overall case fatality rate to 0.67%. A vaccine became available in late 1957 but was not widely distributed.
The population of the U.S. at the time was 172 million, which is a little more than half of the current population. Life expectancy was 69 as versus 78 today. Even with shorter lives, it was a healthier population with lower rates of obesity. To extrapolate the data to a counterfactual, we can conclude that this virus was more wicked than COVID-19 thus far.
What’s remarkable when we look back at this year, nothing was shut down. Restaurants, schools, theaters, sporting events, travel – everything continued without interruption. Without a 24-hour news cycle with thousands of news agencies and a billion websites hungry for traffic, mostly people paid no attention other than to keep basic hygiene. It was covered in the press as a medical problem. The notion that there was a political solution never occurred to anyone.
Again, this was a very serious flu, and it persisted for 10 years until it mutated to become the Hong Kong flu of 1968.
The New York Times had some but not much coverage. On September 18, 1957, an editorial counseled: “Let us all keep a cool head about Asian influenza as the statistics on the spread and the virulence of the disease begin to accumulate. For one thing, let us be sure that the 1957 type of A influenza virus is innocuous, as early returns show, and that antibiotics can indeed control the complications that may develop.”
The mystery of why today vast numbers of governments around the world (but not all) have crushed economies, locked people under house arrest, wrecked business, spread despair, disregarded basic freedoms and rights will require years if not decades to sort out. Is it the news cycle that is creating mass hysteria? Political ambition and arrogance? A decline in philosophical regard for freedom as the best system for dealing with crises? Most likely, the ultimate answer will look roughly like what historians say about the Great War (WWI): it was a perfect storm that created a calamity that no one intended at the outset.
For staying calm and treating the terrible Asian flu of 1957 as a medical problem to address with medical intelligence, rather than as an excuse to unleash Medieval-style brutality, this first postwar generation deserves our respect and admiration.
A vast number of American sheeple cannot stand up for themselves any more. They follow orders like good little children, even when being put at risk of irreparable economic devastation.
Can't go to work, go to the beach, get a haircut, play sports, go to church, hold social gatherings, celebrate birthdays, attend funerals??? "Thank you, sir, may I have another restriction?"
Embarrassing.
Can't go to work, go to the beach, get a haircut, play sports, go to church, hold social gatherings, celebrate birthdays, attend funerals??? "Thank you, sir, may I have another restriction?"
Embarrassing.
It’s the “new normal.”
So do the mass quarantines of the healthy and non-susceptible work? No, they don't. They just DON'T. Specifically, Sweden had no mass lockdown, businesses continued, gatherings of up to 50 people allowed, restaurants remained open, etc. Result?
Death rate of 283 per million of population, or LESS than that of Netherlands, France, UK, Italy, and Spain, all of which imposed stringent lockdowns.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Further, seven states in the United States - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Arkansas, Utah and Wyoming - issued NO stay-at-home order and had no lockdown.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-map-stay-at-home-orders-lockdowns-2020-3?op=1
The results?
Wyoming: 101 cases per 100,000 population
North Dakota: 161 per 100k
South Dakota: 302 per 100k
Nebraska: 306 per 100k
Iowa: 307 per 100k
Arkansas: 115 per 100k
Utah: 168 per 100k
https://datausa.io/coronavirus
The national average? 355 per 100k in population.
Total Confirmed Cases per Capita
Use the map to select individual states.
355 Cases per 100k in the USA
as of Monday, May 4th
https://datausa.io/coronavirus
In other words, for the mathematically impaired, EVERY state with NO LOCKDOWN has a LOWER INCIDENCE of Covid infection THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, i.e., the combination of all states, the vast majority of which instituted a lockdown. If we removed the non-lockdown states, the infection rate in fact moves up to 378 per 100k citizens, while the non-lockdown states combined have a rate of approximately 284 per 100k citizens.
378 > 284
"Well, okay, but what about deaths? Yeah, that's the ticket, those non-lockdown freaks are dying like bees facing Murder Hornets, I bet!!" Not so much. Actual death rates, updated to yesterday:
Wyoming: 1.21 deaths per 100,000 population
North Dakota: 3.29 per 100k
South Dakota: 2.38 per 100k
Nebraska: 4.04 per 100k
Iowa: 5.96 per 100k
Arkansas: 2.69 per 100k
Utah: 1.58 per 100k
The national average death rate, where the vast majority have instituted the lockdowns, is 19 deaths per 100,000 population. Nineteen. One-nine. The number after eighteen and before twenty.
Or three to twelve times HIGHER than the non-lockdown states.
AS IN HIGHER DEATH RATES FOR LOCKDOWN STATES, AS IN MORE.
Science. Somebody should make Congress understand it.
And then douse a large number in kerosene and light them on fire.
Death rate of 283 per million of population, or LESS than that of Netherlands, France, UK, Italy, and Spain, all of which imposed stringent lockdowns.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Further, seven states in the United States - North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Arkansas, Utah and Wyoming - issued NO stay-at-home order and had no lockdown.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-map-stay-at-home-orders-lockdowns-2020-3?op=1
The results?
Wyoming: 101 cases per 100,000 population
North Dakota: 161 per 100k
South Dakota: 302 per 100k
Nebraska: 306 per 100k
Iowa: 307 per 100k
Arkansas: 115 per 100k
Utah: 168 per 100k
https://datausa.io/coronavirus
The national average? 355 per 100k in population.
Total Confirmed Cases per Capita
Use the map to select individual states.
355 Cases per 100k in the USA
as of Monday, May 4th
https://datausa.io/coronavirus
In other words, for the mathematically impaired, EVERY state with NO LOCKDOWN has a LOWER INCIDENCE of Covid infection THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, i.e., the combination of all states, the vast majority of which instituted a lockdown. If we removed the non-lockdown states, the infection rate in fact moves up to 378 per 100k citizens, while the non-lockdown states combined have a rate of approximately 284 per 100k citizens.
378 > 284
"Well, okay, but what about deaths? Yeah, that's the ticket, those non-lockdown freaks are dying like bees facing Murder Hornets, I bet!!" Not so much. Actual death rates, updated to yesterday:
Wyoming: 1.21 deaths per 100,000 population
North Dakota: 3.29 per 100k
South Dakota: 2.38 per 100k
Nebraska: 4.04 per 100k
Iowa: 5.96 per 100k
Arkansas: 2.69 per 100k
Utah: 1.58 per 100k
The national average death rate, where the vast majority have instituted the lockdowns, is 19 deaths per 100,000 population. Nineteen. One-nine. The number after eighteen and before twenty.
Or three to twelve times HIGHER than the non-lockdown states.
AS IN HIGHER DEATH RATES FOR LOCKDOWN STATES, AS IN MORE.
Science. Somebody should make Congress understand it.
And then douse a large number in kerosene and light them on fire.
I'm sure that's said in jest, because fewer people by the day will be accepting that.
I bet Iowa's numbers are inflated because our cities are liberal enclaves and the scare tactics are strong. Thank goodness for governor Reynolds.
I think it's more a matter that if you're in a densely populated state you're more likely to get it and therefore die from it since it spreads easier among more people.
It's why NY and NJ have the most cases, NJ is our most densely populated state and in NY most of the cases are in NYC. Just like in PA the vast majority of the cases are in Philly.
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I think it affected your word choice and spelling
Then lock down the urban areas and let the rest of us live our lives.
Baaaaaa say the sheep. It’s time for the rebellion to start. Time for mass protests, time for the people to say “**** your fat cat” govt ***** sitting by while our country, our people crumble. I have been lucky, I have my job,...far to many have been ****** for nothing more than a nasty flu. I wanna go out. I wanna go out without a condom on my head. You know sometime when I **** I go bareback, my call.
Public health officials admit Covid death numbers are inflated…
Nooooo, the death counts are accurate!
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Nooooo, the death counts are accurate!
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But here are the facts:
Sweden is comparable to Michigan in population density, no lockdown, Michigan asinine lockdown, Sweden fewer deaths per capita.
There simply is no correlation between lockdown and the number of infected. None. States with no lockdowns have universally done BETTER than states with a lockdown.
The "population density" argument would make sense only if the states had equal measures in place. But if a lockdown was effective, then after late March, when the lockdowns went into effect, the states with a lockdown would have fewer cases per 100,000 citizens, a lower growth rate than the non-lockdown states, and the non-lockdown states would have higher than average rates of infection and deaths due to more people getting exposed and getting sick.
That has not happened for the simple reason that even without some asinine, illegal order from a governor, the elderly and the ill have not exposed themselves in Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, etc. The healthy have continued to travel and work. The outcome is a lower infection and lower death rate than the lockdown states, not due to population density but because lockdowns have almost no effect on infection and death rates.
That is the case because we still go to the gas station, stores, banks, use the same electronic pads as everybody else, touch counters and conveyor belts, etc. in the "lockdown." We get exposed.
And bankrupted of course, but no worries. Politicians and news anchors are still getting rich.
Finally, even if the population density argument wins, then why is any STATE on lockdown?? How about sections of cities? Portions of Counties? Why in the hell should Central California be treated like Shitwater, ehhh, LA?
Makes no sense, never made sense, doesn't work, never worked, data prove it's all a big lie.
Here’s what should have happened. Minus the whole China being truthful thing yeah that would have helped.
Lock down for a couple weeks. Learn about, gather actual facts. At this point most knew a lot about the virus, who was most affected, recovery rates (est because it’s early), etc. not saying we know everything that will take years but we knew it wasn’t Ebola.
Open back up. Your healthy, no health issue, no X markers that put you at high risk. Go out. Get infected. If your sick (goes without saying PRIOR to this, stay the **** home)...get the antibodies. Help protect the herd. If your at risk, stay home... sick stay home.
Jobs. Have risk assessments done. Sick, temps ...etc. testing is now readily available. Test employees. (However this is a false narrative because you test today and your clear doesn’t mean tomorrow you get it).
High risk places like nursing homes need to do what we are currently doing. These are the highest risk.
Lock down for a couple weeks. Learn about, gather actual facts. At this point most knew a lot about the virus, who was most affected, recovery rates (est because it’s early), etc. not saying we know everything that will take years but we knew it wasn’t Ebola.
Open back up. Your healthy, no health issue, no X markers that put you at high risk. Go out. Get infected. If your sick (goes without saying PRIOR to this, stay the **** home)...get the antibodies. Help protect the herd. If your at risk, stay home... sick stay home.
Jobs. Have risk assessments done. Sick, temps ...etc. testing is now readily available. Test employees. (However this is a false narrative because you test today and your clear doesn’t mean tomorrow you get it).
High risk places like nursing homes need to do what we are currently doing. These are the highest risk.
Screw that. We had a great weekend with our friends from New Jersey last weekend. Spent the time going out in the boat, eating out and generally not giving a rats *** about the politically overblown flu.
F fear...Life is too short as it is to spend it bunkered down waiting for the end.
All is not coming up roses in da Burgh....I see
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