The Coronavirus thread

[Ironcitysteelers]

Don’t worry folks about these peacefully riots,..err sorry protests. They are not carriers of covid. Bs. Don’t worry folks, we need this shut down to ensure Biden can remain in his bunker and not speak in public. Don’t worry folks, this spike is to ensure we close the polling places. Riots good. Voting bad.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Masks definitely work in my opinion.

And the best way to slow the virus is to avoid high-traffic, inside areas and really isolate those that are most susceptible. I think certain work environments (the "cubicle office design" with highly ventilated air flow) are terrible. Places like call centers or where 20-30 people have desks in one big room. Bad. I still this people eating inside restaurants are crazy. You sit down for a dinner that last 60-90 minutes, talking, no masks, things being touched and passed around. Bad. Sitting at a bar. That's just stupid.

There are some things that are probably fine. Shopping with a mask is probably fine. I mean, unless you're talking 5 people in an aisle at the same time or something, no one is "talking" while shopping. No one is spewing the virus all over the place.

Places where you talk a LOT in crowded spots are bad. That's how the virus gets airborne. That's how you breath it in. Given enough concentration in the air and given enough time breathing it in, you will get the virus. Both of the those factors (concentration in air and time) are important. You either try to reduce the concentration airborne or you limit your time in that environment. Every decision we make has to consider those two factors.

PA so far has had 6300 Covid deaths but only 68 were NOT residents of nursing homes and the vast majority were in the southeast where there is a lot more population density. PA has 12,800,000 people so that means if you do not live in a nursing home you have a 0.0005% chance of dying from Covid.
The numbers of how many new cases there are is relatively meaningless since such a small number of people overall are being tested. Test more people and you will have more positive cases. If ark still came around he could explain the concept of sample size and why it matters.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Anybody find it strange the Covid-1984 outbreaks are now in the South and strangely not where the mass protests occurred with such an ostensibly contagious disease?

How much money does Gates Foundation donate to the National Governor's Association for Common Core and other grants?

He owns many of them and they will do his bidding.

It all fits with Event 201 and his push for vaccines. Gotta make people feel the pain where it hurts.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Sad that you get better covid data from a sports guy than the MSM.

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[Ironcitysteelers]

PA so far has had 6300 Covid deaths but only 68 were NOT residents of nursing homes and the vast majority were in the southeast where there is a lot more population density. PA has 12,800,000 people so that means if you do not live in a nursing home you have a 0.0005% chance of dying from Covid.
The numbers of how many new cases there are is relatively meaningless since such a small number of people overall are being tested. Test more people and you will have more positive cases. If ark still came around he could explain the concept of sample size and why it matters.

I think the last number I seen was 70-80 percent was from nursing home. It’s not that nursing homes are the devil, it’s thats where the most frail are, the most likely to have issues from a new contagion. Plus you add staffing is not consistent like a x job where we can weed out the possible positives. They work here and over there it’s a pressure cooker. All I know, my sites got hammered Compared to my counterparts bc of states I cover to theirs. Next go around we will be much better as we are all been infected, returned and are providing a level of protection.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

L add this too. Testing has been huge currently. Every other week, every week if you site is positive. If we had this early on, so much would have been better. BUT, there is soooooo many false positives and visa versa. It’s rough.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Anybody find it strange the Covid-1984 outbreaks are now in the South and strangely not where the mass protests occurred with such an ostensibly contagious disease?

Gotta try and keep the southerners at home instead of going to Trump rallies.

 

[oneforthebus]

Anybody find it strange the Covid-1984 outbreaks are now in the South and strangely not where the mass protests occurred with such an ostensibly contagious disease?

How much money does Gates Foundation donate to the National Governor's Association for Common Core and other grants?

He owns many of them and they will do his bidding.

It all fits with Event 201 and his push for vaccines. Gotta make people feel the pain where it hurts.

The protests were outside. People were not hanging around the same group of people face to face for long periods of times indoors with lots of virus circulating. There were a lot of masks being worn. If you look at who is getting this, it is mostly groups of people who spend longer periods of time indoors in close contact with people without masks. Bars. Church services. Large birthday parties. Meat processing plants. It may very well be that because it's really hot right now people in these southern states are spending a lot more time indoors, with the windows shut, with a/c and little to no ventilation. I really don't buy the conspiracy theories.

That said there are a few other factors at play:

1) Huge increases in testing. My guess is the virus has been circulating at a decent rate the entire time. The more we test, obviously the more cases we are going to find. They keep comparing our case numbers to Europe but how many people are being tested there? You don't hear much about that.
2) Symptoms, hospitalizations and serious complications among younger people are very rare, despite attempts by the media to hype them as much as possible. Yes, we still need to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. But otherwise let the virus spread among these people.
3) We've learned a whole lot about how to treat and how not to treat people with this illness. Basically, keep people off ventilators if at all possible. If you have no choice but to put them on a ventilator, they probably weren't going to make it anyway. Drugs and therapies are lessening the severity and death in lots of people. But we are not easing restrictions commensurately. It's gone from saving lives to trying to prevent new cases and that just isn't going to happen no matter what we do.

Keep the spread as slow as we can. We aren't going to stop it or seriously curtail it. Period. That should not be a goal.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Gotta try and keep the southerners at home instead of going to Trump rallies.

And keep economies limping. Can't have red states making blue states look any more lost than they already do.

 

[SojournerSteel]

The protests were outside. People were not hanging around the same group of people face to face for long periods of times indoors with lots of virus circulating. There were a lot of masks being worn. If you look at who is getting this, it is mostly groups of people who spend longer periods of time indoors in close contact with people without masks. Bars. Church services. Large birthday parties. Meat processing plants. It may very well be that because it's really hot right now people in these southern states are spending a lot more time indoors, with the windows shut, with a/c and little to no ventilation. I really don't buy the conspiracy theories.

That said there are a few other factors at play:

1) Huge increases in testing. My guess is the virus has been circulating at a decent rate the entire time. The more we test, obviously the more cases we are going to find. They keep comparing our case numbers to Europe but how many people are being tested there? You don't hear much about that.
2) Symptoms, hospitalizations and serious complications among younger people are very rare, despite attempts by the media to hype them as much as possible. Yes, we still need to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed. But otherwise let the virus spread among these people.
3) We've learned a whole lot about how to treat and how not to treat people with this illness. Basically, keep people off ventilators if at all possible. If you have no choice but to put them on a ventilator, they probably weren't going to make it anyway. Drugs and therapies are lessening the severity and death in lots of people. But we are not easing restrictions commensurately. It's gone from saving lives to trying to prevent new cases and that just isn't going to happen no matter what we do.

Keep the spread as slow as we can. We aren't going to stop it or seriously curtail it. Period. That should not be a goal.

People in the South spend a lot of time outside. I'm not buying that Covid-1984 avoids mass protesters if it's that contagious. The biggest joke was the protests. It invalidated every talking head's junk science and "social distancing" push to that point.

There were early studies showing warmer temps slow transmission. It's a joke.

 

[Vader]

The reason why there are more cases is because testing has exploded. But the death rate is down where it was in early March.

 

[Steeler]

The reason why there are more cases is because testing has exploded. But the death rate is down where it was in early March.

Bullshit. That's not what CNN says.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

People in the South spend a lot of time outside. I'm not buying that Covid-1984 avoids mass protesters if it's that contagious. The biggest joke was the protests. It invalidated every talking head's junk science and "social distancing" push to that point.

There were early studies showing warmer temps slow transmission. It's a joke.

Hot ******* air kills virus’s fact, this one donno. But.... most people on da beach are keeping to them selves, washing off as the waves smash them with sand acting as scrub. Rioters, “hold my sign as I run my nose...it’s runny. Thanks.”

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

The reason why there are more cases is because testing has exploded. But the death rate is down where it was in early March.

Facts! In fact the death rate will continue to fall. Especially when the dui crashes with deaths are no longer covid related.

 

[Punxsutawney]

The reason why there are more cases is because testing has exploded. But the death rate is down where it was in early March.

Also because it spreads about as easily as a virus possibly can.

It's not a coincidence that it started spreading again within a month after much of the economic lockdowns were lifted.

 

[oneforthebus]

People in the South spend a lot of time outside. I'm not buying that Covid-1984 avoids mass protesters if it's that contagious. The biggest joke was the protests. It invalidated every talking head's junk science and "social distancing" push to that point.

There were early studies showing warmer temps slow transmission. It's a joke.

Yes, people in the south spend a lot of time outside. But these states are also the first places to open up indoor bars and restaurants. Yes there are a lot of closed up places with a/c in these places. They are also states where masks were not required indoors. I have relatives in Florida and a friend who just drove cross country through Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, Arizona. These are places where people were basically walking around and living their lives like the virus didn't exist.

Do you think it's just a coincidence cases surged and hospitals are filling up in these places? Or that they're making this up completely? Are the doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators in on it too?

From what I've read also the protests also had the effect of keeping a lot of non-protesters out of the cities and off public transit so may have had the net effect of more social distancing, not less.

 

[Confluence]

Also because it spreads about as easily as a virus possibly can.

It's not a coincidence that it started spreading again within a month after much of the economic lockdowns were lifted.

Who should be the arbiter of whether a flu like virus is more damaging than economic lockdown?

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[Steelr4evr]

Hot ******* air kills virus’s fact, this one donno. But.... most people on da beach are keeping to them selves, washing off as the waves smash them with sand acting as scrub. Rioters, “hold my sign as I run my nose...it’s runny. Thanks.”

The sun kills it within 30 min last study I read yesterday as with most things. Ultra violet radiation is a sometimes a godsend.

Keep outdoors.

 

[SteelerFan448]

It’s all bullshit. Stop drinking the kool aid.

Productive discussion. Thank you for your input.

If it's being mandated by the state, that is the issue I (and many others I'll assume) have with it. For a virus that looks like it has about a 1% mortality rate (probably less), you don't mandate grown adults wear a mask or risk being punished. That's a slippery slope and we're not communist ******* Cuba.

I think if people just would wear them they wouldn't need to be mandated. It's pretty simple to do. I'd say around 55% wear them at my local stores. I was in Philadelphia today and at least 90% of the people had them on. At some point don't you look past the "communist" stuff and consider it a common courtesy to lower the risk of those around you from getting the disease?

 

[Vader]

The sun kills it within 30 min last study I read yesterday as with most things. Ultra violet radiation is a sometimes a godsend.

Keep outdoors.

I've never seen a virus that can last in the sun for very long. They don't last long indoors on surfaces either. They are generally transmitted through the air when someone coughs, talks or yawns. Also the idea that the protesters didn't spread the disease is laughable. They are chanting, screaming and standing on top of each other. The virus spreads exactly that way. Those cotton masks are useless in that environment. It's like trying to stop a gnat with a chain linked fence. Especially since the people don't even wear them correctly. Maybe they haven't been tested yet? Maybe they are asymptomatic?

 

[SteelerFan448]

It’s all bullshit. Stop drinking the kool aid.

Honestly I don't get the anti-mask thing. It stands to reason that any kind of barrier is going to inhibit the spread of whatever spews from your mouth somewhat. Maybe it's not very effective. So what? If it's only a tiny bit effective it might slow the spread a little and it's really not that big a deal to wear one.

Now, trying to get little kids to wear them all day in school is going to be a nightmare and totally unnecessary. They will be chewing them, shooting them like rubber bands, trading them, breaking them, sneezing into them and not changing them...just no. Give every kid a box of tissues and some hand sanitizer and be done with it.

Honestly kids will be better about wearing them as opposed to adults and the only ones who are going to have a problem wearing it are the ones with parents who think wearing a mask signifies some government takeover. Don't want to infringe on anyone's freedom now do we?

 

[Punxsutawney]

Who should be the arbiter of whether a flu like virus is more damaging than economic lockdown?

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There's not a simple answer to that question, but just letting it naturally run its course is not really an option either, as we have a ton of older and otherwise health compromised people.

We're stuck with this thing until there is a vaccine that may never come.

 

[oneforthebus]

I've never seen a virus that can last in the sun for very long. They don't last long indoors on surfaces either. They are generally transmitted through the air when someone coughs, talks or yawns. Also the idea that the protesters didn't spread the disease is laughable. They are chanting, screaming and standing on top of each other. The virus spreads exactly that way. Those cotton masks are useless in that environment. It's like trying to stop a gnat with a chain linked fence. Especially since the people don't even wear them correctly. Maybe they haven't been tested yet? Maybe they are asymptomatic?

I don't think anyone is suggesting there has been zero spread from the protests. The point is this seems to spread more indoors among people in close contact with each other. As many have pointed out heat and humidity kills it quickly. There may be a correlation of infection or severity with how much virus you take in. So if you have a bunch of people all talking/singing in a room you have a lot of virus circulating around them with nowhere to go or disperse to.

As far as masks go, people keep making that chain link fence comparison but it's not about filtering out microscopic virus particles. It's about limiting how far and wide your saliva and snot spreads when you talk, cough or sneeze. If you can't see how they would be effective for that I don't know what to tell you, it's just plain common sense. No one says they are 100% effective. They can reduce the amount of people you spew all over though.

 

[Steelworth]

I think if people just would wear them they wouldn't need to be mandated. It's pretty simple to do. I'd say around 55% wear them at my local stores. I was in Philadelphia today and at least 90% of the people had them on. At some point don't you look past the "communist" stuff and consider it a common courtesy to lower the risk of those around you from getting the disease?

I hear you, and when I go out I wear an N95 mask because that is my choice to help protect myself and others if at all possible, but I just don't think that a virus that has such a low mortality rate should have mandates to wear masks. And sadly, probably half the people that I see aren't even wearing them correctly.

 

[slashsteel]

Masks help sure somewhat, social distancing is perhaps even better. You are going to have people do what they want regardless. I am just continuing to safeguard a compromised cancer patient by social distancing and wearing a mask when in public places. If I have to turn around and go down a different aisle so be it. I wish people would be more considerate to others but wishing in one hand.... As far as making wearing masks mandatory I think leave that up to the businesses. Then the customer can weigh their options as they go. We tend to do curb side pickup and delivery often to minimize contact. The lack of cognitive empathy from people won't change, some just have little to none of it. You can't force feed change. For me I can take a truck drivers approach. They are taught not to look just in front of them but a considerable distance ahead. It is defensive driving and it is effective on the road as well as shopping for the few times I have to increase risks.

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