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The Coronavirus thread

I will say though that it is not at all uncommon for understanding of illnesses and how to prevent and treat them to change. Happens all the time.

That said the idea that protests and riots are ok while other outdoor gatherings are not is political bullshit. I don't know that that's something Fauci ever said but maybe I missed it.
 
I'd rather eat the *** out of a dead skunk.

Hillary C may be on Tinder or Match if you are interested, but she is probably busy suiciding Maxwell.
 
We don't know exactly how it's spread as we've been told all along...

Best I can figure, it's omnipresent. Is there a way you don't catch it? I mean riots and walmart are obviously immune, but that seems to be about it.
 
Fauci said people should weigh the pros and cons of hooking up with the risk of becoming infected and consider that they could be asymptomatic carriers. - https://www.insider.com/fauci-hooking-up-with-asymptomatic-tinder-match-doable-but-risky-2020-4

Extrapolate.

You said "I think his point there was you are risking spreading it to each other but not risking spreading it to a large number of people who would then exponentially spread it to others."

If someone meets for a hook up, contracts COVID, does that form of COVID not spread to others mysteriously? Is this form of "Hook Up COVID" not contagious? Of course it is. He said, you risk becoming an asymptomatic carrier. Thus a spreader.

Fauci: ""Even though there's a lot of asymptomatic infections, that's one of the things that's really troublesome. That if everybody transmitted would only transmit when they're sick, that would be much easier," Fauci said. "But what we're seeing, which becomes really problematic, is that there's a considerable amount of transmission from an asymptomatic person. And we've got well-documented now, you know, that situation on the nuclear carrier, the Roosevelt, USS Roosevelt, where hundreds of sailors have gotten infected from people that were not sick. That's tough.""

Regardless, we should be able to agree that his suggestion that hookups in April was fine but attending church or a hair salon was not is absolutely, utterly inconsistent.

He said it's a risk, and that even if someone is symptom free it's still a risk. How you interpreted that as "hookups are fine" I'm not sure. In terms of risk tolerance, it's a slower spreading event than say going to church and coughing or singing all over 50 people. So it's a choice for you and that one other person to take a risk, vs taking a risk of infecting dozens.

I personally would feel safer getting a haircut from a masked person than sitting in church with dozens of unmasked people talking and singing for an hour.

Because science.
 
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Not even close to a relevant analogy Tibs. This is a virus that kills less than 1% of people who get infected. Let's stop acting like catching it is an automatic death sentence.

I want to slow the spread so hospitals are not overwhelmed. But somehow in the minds of many it's gone from slowing the spread and flattening the curve to avoiding any new infections. That is not possible. In the US or anywhere else.

The mantra now is the life long side effects of those that somehow manage to survive.
 
He said it's a risk, and that even if someone is symptom free it's still a risk. How you interpreted that as "hookups are fine" I'm not sure. .

Because he said so...making hookups a matter of personal choice for people. He said if you're willing to assume the risk...then by all means, it's your choice.

"If you're looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that's your choice regarding a risk," Fauci said.

Not sure how you're not seeing that's exactly what he said to those on Snapchat...Hey Doc can we hook up? Sure, if you're willing to assume risk that's your choice.

In terms of risk tolerance, it's a slower spreading event than say going to church and coughing or singing all over 50 people. So it's a choice for you and that one other person to take a risk, vs taking a risk of infecting dozens.

You're indicating you believe that if two people hook up, they don't risk spreading the virus to more than one other person - "v taking a risk of infecting dozens." You think if two people hook up they are only going to infect the other? You think that one of those people can only potentially infect one other person then they are no longer able to spread the virus? Keep in mind, these people Bumble'ing and Tinder'ing do so often...frequently...some nightly.

The good Dr. warned people hooking up could become asymptomatic carriers THEN pointed to the USS Roosevelt where HUNDREDS got sick by those who were asymptomatic.

If thousands of people read Fauci's comments and went hooking up, then there could be countless asymptomatic carriers, each of which who could spread the disease to 1 to MANY others.

His advice was dumbass advice that conflicted with all of his other recommendations. Completely inconsistent.
 
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What is there not to understand? Listen to science, not your politicians running for re-election.


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The mantra now is the life long side effects of those that somehow manage to survive.

Yup. Predictable.

And...one 13 year old kid died after showing symptoms but testing negative. They are assuming he died of Covid.

One 6 month old died of SIDS after testing positive and having no symptoms. Being blamed on Covid.

Even if they both died of Covid which is unproven hey are still rare outliers, but they are being publicized heavily to put the fear in parents.

I don't deny the fear porn exists. Just not sure Fauci is the main proponent of it.
 
Because he said so...making hookups a matter of personal choice for people. He said if you're willing to assume the risk...then by all means, it's your choice.

"If you're looking for a friend, sit in a room and put a mask on, and you know, chat a bit. If you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that's your choice regarding a risk," Fauci said.

Not sure how you're not seeing that's exactly what he said to those on Snapchat...Hey Doc can we hook up? Sure, if you're willing to assume risk that's your choice.



You're indicating you believe that if two people hook up, they don't risk spreading the virus to more than one other person - "v taking a risk of infecting dozens." You think if two people hook up they are only going to infect the other? You think that one of those people can only potentially infect one other person then they are no longer able to spread the virus? Keep in mind, these people Bumble'ing and Tinder'ing do so often...frequently...some nightly.

The good Dr. warned people hooking up could become asymptomatic carriers THEN pointed to the USS Roosevelt where HUNDREDS got sick by those who were asymptomatic.


If thousands of people read Fauci's comments and went hooking up, then there could be countless asymptomatic carriers, each of which who could spread the disease to 1 to MANY others.

His advice was dumbass advice that conflicted with all of his other recommendations. Completely inconsistent.

Any one of us can spread it to an individual. He might as well recommend we all move into separate apartments if 100% consistency is what you're looking for. I think he's been pretty consistent about the main risk reduction of community spread being avoiding crowds, especially indoors, especially for long periods of time and where people are talking, shouting and singing. No one expects that people aren't going to have any interpersonal relationships at all.

Again the idea is to slow the spread. Thousands of places where 50 people are getting it at once is worse that thousands of individual people spreading it to other individual people, mathematically speaking, no?
 
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What is there not to understand? Listen to science, not your politicians running for re-election.


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Wonder if mandatory masks are mostly places that have already been hit really hard and therefore have more immunity in the population. Not disputing that masks help but something I hope they are studying.
 
The mantra now is the life long side effects of those that somehow manage to survive.

It's a mind game. Trying to get people to do what you want them to do. Going on 5 months of this. At this point they're going to spread a lot of misinformation and nonsense just to scare people into doing what they want.
 
What is there not to understand? Listen to science, not your politicians running for re-election.

you mean, like Trump said?

allow me to quote you again...

Trump to Fox: “I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in (mandate) No, and I don’t agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears ... and as you know masks cause problems, too. With that being said, I’m a believer in masks.” https://t.co/p77NcnjcP4
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 20, 2020

meanwhile, the exact quote - where he pointed out the blatant hypocrisy we've all been over for the past few pages...

“No, I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in that,” Trump said. “No, and I don’t agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask, everything disappears. Hey, Dr. Fauci said, don’t wear a mask. Our Surgeon General – terrific guy – said, don’t wear a mask. Everybody who is saying don’t wear a mask – all of sudden everybody’s got to wear a mask, and as you know, masks cause problems, too. With that being said, I’m a believer in masks. I think masks are good.”

and since you've been suggesting that Trump sit down, shut up and listen to his advisers...

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/deborah-birx-trump-admin-coronavirus-fading-235431144.html

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force coordinator, insisted to the Trump administration that the coronavirus pandemic would soon slow down, comparing the U.S. to Italy and its experience with the virus, The New York Times revealed in a damning report published Saturday.

Birx believed that the U.S. would see a peak in cases, followed by a slow and lasting decline, just as Italy has seen, the Times reported.


Her optimistic take on models assessing the virus apparently encouraged President Donald Trump to put pressure on states to relax regulations meant to slow the spread of the virus in mid-April, the Times reported.

The paper interviewed more than two dozen administration officials and reviewed emails and documents to uncover how the White House handled its response to the spread of COVID-19.

Birx reportedly began describing the government’s response to the pandemic as “putting out the embers,” and the White House task force was convinced that another surge in infections wouldn’t happen until the fall, senior administration officials told the Times.
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...UrkJRZ8Kfli-GXixQoxI5-04EJff2rbFa6EFKZvyum6RQ

Half of CDC Coronavirus Test Kits Are Inaccurate, Study Finds
Sarah Crow 2 days ago

Coronavirus testing has been a hot-button issue since the beginning of the pandemic. First, there weren't enough coronavirus tests to go around. Now, a new issue has emerged—just how accurate the tests people are getting actually are. According to a July 17 study published in the International Journal of Geriatrics and Rehabilitation, 50 percent of nucleic acid coronavirus tests distributed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provided inaccurate results.

The study's lead author, Sin Hang Lee, MD, director of Milford Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory, found that the testing kits gave a 30 percent false-positive rate and a 20 percent false-negative rate.


To determine these false-positive and false-negative rates, the Connecticut State Department of Public Health Microbiology Laboratory provided Lee 20 tests, which were then re-tested using his own methodology, which examines samples on a cellular level, rather than just testing fluid with no cellular matter from potentially infected oral and nasal secretions.
 
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Case numbers are meaningless. The numbers are so inaccurate in numerous different ways as to make them completely irrelevant.

Hospitalizations, ICU admission and deaths are what matters.
 
First and foremost, the disinformation campaign being waged by Trump and his associates has to stop. He's created widespread confusion and chaos with his anti-Science messaging. He regularly contradicts his own agencies, just adds fuel to the fire of distrust that's prevelant with the Trump base.

That is just a lie. Fauci has repeatedly stated that Trump did EXACTLY as he recommended, in every respect. You are one of the millions so deranged by TDS that you make up stuff - "Trump ignore scientists," by apparently doing what they say and shutting down the greatest economy in the world? Like that? "Trump contradicts his scientific advisors." by apparently implementing every goddamn proposal they made for travel restrictions, lockdowns, distancing, masks, etc. "Trump is not wearing a mask himself," but neither are Fauci and Birx during their interminable press conferences.

Give it up. It's a virus. It's here. It will spread. No hospital is overrun or short of ventilators or without PPE. Nothing of the sort is happening, despite liberal's deepest wish that millions of white Christians just ******* die already.

And yes, what seems to have flattened the curve significantly in the EU has been mandatory mask wearing in public, in shops and on public transport, the use of santizer and disinfectant, readily available everywhere for free, and the public's willingness to abide by social distancing norms. This is a world-wide pandemic, with ebbs and flows. The struggle is real and will continue until a vaccine can be implemented. We are in for the long haul, and the sooner people can wrap their heads around it, the better the chances of dealing with it effectively. Businesses and schools need to take the utmost precaution while somehow continuing to function.

Wow, talk about contradicting yourself. "Europe has a handle on it," followed by another story you post where the infection rate in France is forcing the government JUST ******* NOW to mandate masks, MONTHS after dozens of major population areas in the United States already did so, followed by your accurate statement that because it's a goddamn virus and not a house pet that can be ordered around, we have "ebbs and flows."

No **** Sherlock. You know who else is suffering ebbs and flows? California, with its severe lockdown, mask mandates, school closures back in March, cancellation of public gatherings, etc.

Huh, wonder what could account for the surge in California given the lockdown, no gatherings, mask mandate, businesses shut down, schools shut down, etc.

So we should allow protesters and rioters to go on looting and rioting, while shutting down legitimate businesses, schools, etc. Sounds great.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump to Fox: “I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in (mandate) No, and I don’t agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears ... and as you know masks cause problems, too. With that being said, I’m a believer in masks.” <a href="https://t.co/p77NcnjcP4">https://t.co/p77NcnjcP4</a></p>— Manu Raju (@mkraju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1285185232820473858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

Why in the world would you have a single issue with that? Trump said, "I don't support government mandates" and pointed out that quite a few reasons exist that contradict a mask mandate, but that he personally believes in using masks.

You don't see the difference between a government mandate and sound personal actions for your own well-being? Should I brush my teeth 3x per day? Yes. Should government order me to do so? No.

Get it?
 
Tibs also believes AntiFa is anti-fascist, yet wants a government mandate on wearing masks.
 
Case numbers are meaningless. The numbers are so inaccurate in numerous different ways as to make them completely irrelevant.

Hospitalizations, ICU admission and deaths are what matters.

This...110% maybe even 120%. The less lethal and the less the virus causes severe complications, the more it becomes comparable to just about every other Coronavirus that the world has seen before. We don't report on every case of Influenza-A or B, because the mortality rate is astronomically low in people with no comorbidity issues and/or healthy immune systems. The people that are being affected the worst by the virus are the same people that would have difficulties with just about any respiratory virus and/or pneumonia case.
 
Tibs also believes AntiFa is anti-fascist, yet wants a government mandate on wearing masks.

Speaking of Fibs:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When You Are Defined Entirely By Donald Trump <a href="https://t.co/i8N2oRM6Eb">pic.twitter.com/i8N2oRM6Eb</a></p>— Ryan Long (@ryanlongcomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanlongcomedy/status/1280132154421370881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not only is it funny but frighteningly true for many.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“If you insulate people from paying the price of being wrong, you’re going to get a lot of wrong things done.”<br>-Thomas Sowell<br><br>NY, NJ, CT, and MA all have had more deaths per capita than any US State and any country in the world. <br><br>Any other story is simply revisionist history. <a href="https://t.co/2ivgjbB9DJ">pic.twitter.com/2ivgjbB9DJ</a></p>— Yinon Weiss (@yinonw) <a href="https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1284936321992028160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That will surely be added the other 3,177+ that died from Intentional and unintentional injury, Poisoning, and other adverse events with covid present <a href="https://t.co/9cddhuGG2v">pic.twitter.com/9cddhuGG2v</a></p>— Darren Dunn (@ImDarrenDunn2) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImDarrenDunn2/status/1284141707135680512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
If you want to better understand why the US is so far off-kilter on COVID relative to other western nations, all you need to do is read the responses in this thread. It speaks for itself.
 
If you want to better understand why the US is so far off-kilter on COVID relative to other western nations, all you need to do is read the responses in this thread. It speaks for itself.

Yep, testing exponentially more than just about any other country, diagnosing more asymptomatic carriers than just about any other country, yet still having a lower hospitalization rate and mortality rate than just about any other country. Oh God the horror...everyone should live in bomb shelters until after the election!
 
If you want to better understand why the US is so far off-kilter on COVID relative to other western nations, all you need to do is read the responses in this thread. It speaks for itself.

The Hungarian waxes poetic on the ills of the U.S. relative to other Western nations. That's rich.
 
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