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You mean people posting evidence that directly disputes your arguments? Yeah that's always a real ***** ain't it?
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You mean people posting evidence that directly disputes your arguments? Yeah that's always a real ***** ain't it?
Not sure why you think that, but ok. When exactly do you think Dr. Don't-Wear-a-Mask-Wear a Mask began being "consistent" about his recommendations? In general his recommendations have been all over the map.
But specifically to being consistent about reducing risk:
- "In late January, Dr. Fauci said that the coronavirus was 'a very, very low risk to the United States. ... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about,'" - in fact he called the risk miniscule.
- In March, Fauci said, 'If you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship."
- In March he also said global travel bans would be "irrelevant" in the event of a pandemic.
- February 29th, Q: “Dr. Fauci, Saturday morning in America people are waking up right now with real concerns about this. They want to go to malls and movies, maybe the gym. Should we be changing our habits? And if so, how?” Answer: FAUCI: No, right now at this moment there is no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis. Right now, the risk is still low."
- In Feb and March, he called the idea of banning restaurant eating “overkill," and said there was no benefit to shutting down air travel.
- On Feb 25, he said it wasn't important to implement social distancing.
- He's said Tinder and Bumble hookups are ok, but wants to ban handshakes. Coitus is safe but not a handshake - SMH.
- May 22: He said "extended stay at home orders" could cause irreparable damage. “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”
- Then in June he said "Now we have something that’s indeed turned out to be my worst nightmare. Something that’s highly transmissible in a period if you just think about it in a period of 4 months it has devastated the world and it isn’t over yet. "
- Yet two weeks later said NOW is the time to reopen schools early "based on scientific evidence."
Consistent is the last word that comes to mind with Fauci and risk reduction.
Facts don't seem to have any place in Fibs' distorted world.
You are just not telling the truth, Tibs. You aren't. The United States is in the middle of the pack in mortality rates among Western nations, and better than Germany, France, Belgium, Mexico, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Greece, Denmark, Brazil ... and Hungary.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
You can remove "just about" from your quote.
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Does it ever occur to you to refute things people post with actual facts instead of vague insults?
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TDS is a cruel mistress.
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I would like to see side by side numbers of US cases per capita and tests per capita, vs. other countries cases and tests per capita. Oddly enough it's almost impossible to find that data clearly stated anywhere.
We are testing more per capita than any other country now except a few with very tiny populations. Obviously we will have more positive tests if we are testing more. Our current positive rate is higher at the moment than some countries but much lower than others. It's not really way out of line with anyone's. Yet we keep hearing that the US is the worst of the worst. If you take NYC one of the most densely populated cities in the world out of our numbers I'm guessing we look pretty damn good.
It appears as if this disease is more like a rolling wave of peaks and valleys than a single global peak and dropoff. Which makes sense given that every city state and country did not become infected simultaneously
We are testing more per capita than any other country now except a few with very tiny populations. Obviously we will have more positive tests if we are testing more. Our current positive rate is higher at the moment than some countries but much lower than others. It's not really way out of line with anyone's. Yet we keep hearing that the US is the worst of the worst. If you take NYC one of the most densely populated cities in the world out of our numbers I'm guessing we look pretty damn good.
It appears as if this disease is more like a rolling wave of peaks and valleys than a single global peak and dropoff. Which makes sense given that every city state and country did not become infected simultaneously
Tibs, you are propagating provably false claims as to the United States and deaths due to the Chinese flu. The United States has more "infected" only due to the vast number of tests rendered. If Germany were testing citizens by the millions, it too would document a "surge" in Chinese flu. Not more deaths or hospitalizations, mind you, just a "surge" in the number of such cases.
Further, the states with the worst outcomes, by far, are New York and New Jersey, both of which instituted very severe lockdowns early on, mandated masks, etc. but forced the ill into nursing homes with the expected results.
Amazing how you have not said one word - NOT ONE - about Cuomo's decision to force long-term care facilities and nursing homes. Cuomo killed hundreds, thousands, but no problem I guess.
Further, the states with the worst outcomes, by far, are New York and New Jersey, both of which instituted very severe lockdowns early on, mandated masks, etc. but forced the ill into nursing homes with the expected results.
Amazing how you have not said one word - NOT ONE - about Cuomo's decision to force long-term care facilities and nursing homes. Cuomo killed hundreds, thousands, but no problem I guess.
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I was talking about consistent on the issue of large crowds indoors being more dangerous than one on one interactions.
Did he and everybody else (including Trump) get some things wrong and revise them as knowledge of how this virus spreads, how easily it spreads, and who is vulnerable changed? Of course.
Dr. Fauci is not infallible, nor is any other scientist. He himself has stated that many times. Is he some idiotic incompetent or agent of the deep state? No, I don't think so.
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steeltime, one of your charts is nearly 3 months old and thus irrelevant now, the other one says on the top that CFR is not a good measure of mortality related to covid
Califronia, Florida and Texas will soon pass New York in positive cases
Califronia, Florida and Texas will soon pass New York in positive cases
The only thing that really matters is that this virus is not deadly. It's just not. Deal with the sniffles, call in sick and stfu. Just like any other time you're feeling under the weather. Hospitals are not overrun. Neither are morgues. There is not a shortage of ventilators, and they're not even needed. Wait until the lawsuits over that one start... people hooked up unnecessarily and who died because of it. You do not shut down the economy, dictate who can go where, destroy people's livelihoods and issue inane mandates over a political virus.
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Yes, I have. In fact, it was in response to one of your earlier, similarly unhinged posts. Try to keep up, counselor.
And these are my states of coverage. Feels bad.
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LOL Iran and China. They must be reporting accurately.
Chyna "0.3." LOL
But of course, they want to bleat about how effective Chyna is because Chyna is a Democrat and Bill Gates (Johns Hopkins/Event 201 Sponsor) wet dream in terms of totalitarian power and persecution of dissent.
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Must be difficult going through life being so willfully ignorant. Or, you're purposefully spreading lies. I'd probably choose the second option, though it's neck and neck at this stage, given your history of posts on this board.
Hospitals are running out of staff, supplies, and beds for Covid-19 patients — and this time could be worse
https://www.vox.com/2020/7/15/21317776/covid-19-coronavirus-florida-arizona-texas-california-hospitals
Wave of coronavirus threatens to swamp hospitals in Texas, Florida and other states
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-26/wave-coronavirus-swamp-hospitals-texas-florida
Hospitals in Florida, Texas and Arizona Are Almost at Capacity as Coronavirus Cases Surge
https://time.com/5863564/hospitals-capacity-coronavirus-surge/
56 Florida hospital ICUs have hit capacity
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
Over 40 Florida hospitals max out ICU capacity as Covid-19 cases surge across US
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/florida-coronavirus-cases-icu-beds-arizona-texas
Coronavirus: Texas mayors warn of 'serious trouble' as cases surge across US
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-serious-trouble-hospital-beds-florida-trump
Surge in virus hospitalizations strains hospitals in several states
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...855e5e-c135-11ea-864a-0dd31b9d6917_story.html
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison that is a link to the testing per capita, I am trying to find the chart they have for cases per capita. Will post if I find it
FFS, those are all libtard propaganda sources and are speculation op eds. Get a clue.
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so ignore Indy and move on with yourself. there is an ignore feature.
Excellent bullet point breakdown, Tim. But I think to understand Fauci's inconsistencies better and the reasoning behind them, you have to understand his motives. Fauci actually donated money to the Wuhan virology lab in China on researching Coronavirus:
So early on, of course he was going to downplay this virus because of all the blowback China was facing and knowing that NIAID contributed, in part, to a virus potentially affecting the entire world.
Then comes in our great MSM and the left, essentially calling anybody who termed it the Wuhan virus or Chinese virus 'racist' (after they themselves did it -- and despite the fact just about every other virus that came before was named after where it originated). Andrew Cuomo then says in a nationally televised press conference that it was the 'European virus'. What? Yes, the European virus.
They continued on this day and night until it was beaten into the masses. The CCP propagandists and their arm that is the U.S. media and deep state leftists continued on their smear campaign of anyone who dare defy or question China. China all of a sudden stops having Covid deaths, or just stops reporting them. This continues for months and eventually public perception on the genesis of the virus and China's complicity becomes about as clear as mud. All the while, the attention turns to Trump and his handling of this epidemic. Did he do this right, did he do that right, was he justified in shutting down travel? Is he a xenophobe and a racist? Of course he is, continues the propagandists.
So now, China is essentially off the hook. What? Yep.
Now of course, it's politically wise for him to err on the side of caution. China has been given its pass, and as a disease expert, he's going to now say that any preventative measures are in the best interests & welfare of the people! Yes, of course they are.
Fauci is a fraud. I don't believe he's an entirely evil man or that he's the absolute worst thing to happen to this country right now with so many things going on, but he's a self-important little snake who has been completely & entirely inconsistent, contradictory etc. on the Coronavirus 100%.
But he did look good on the cover of InStyle magazine.
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My statement was factual. Try it sometime.