The Coronavirus thread

[Steelr4evr]

When the alternative is voting for a guy with dementia who will be a puppet for a socialist agenda, open borders, defunding police, passing the green new deal which will destroy the economy, buddying up to China, then I don't give a **** what Trump tweets. So long as he is against all those things, he's the only choice and i have no idea how any person with a brain can vote Biden.

Trump's a jerk. So what. His policies will help America. The policies of Biden's overlords will destroy America. Easy choice.

Really simple easy choice when it comes down to it.

 

[jitter77]

Really simple easy choice when it comes down to it.

Realistically life will go on no matter who the president is and will probably have a minimal impact of most Americans. Under Obama only impact I can think of is the ACA and the mandatory penalties / healthcare costs. Under Clinton I cant think of anything off the top of my head. Bush's meh cant think of anything there either. Under Trump got stimulus money and less taxes taken out, but I think a dem president would have gotten a stimulus bill as well. Whatever is done can be undone and getting any kind of major legislation through takes time. I try to be respectful to people in life and to vote for someone like Trump makes me nauseous. He has 0 compassion, 0 accountability, and doesnt even own his own statements or conveniently forgets he said them. How many people has Trump hired then turned on because they dont bow down to his every command? If he wants to discredit Fauci then great, fire him and list the facts where he was wrong. Dont cite some crackerjack Dr then pretend you didnt. Dont whine about how people like Dr Fauci and Dr Birx more than you, there is a reason for that. In my opinion Fauci has been wrong and missed the mark on some things, but I believe he genuinely cares. People in those positions are somewhat of alarmists by nature and always have to account for worst case scenarios. Trump could have won this election easily, but he is blowing it big time and its getting to the point where its too late to turn it around. Trump is too narcissistic to change himself and most of his staff are puppets or they get fired. I think its going to take someone like Ivanka to get him to shift it around. Don Jr only makes things worse....

 

[Confluence]

But Google and Facebook didn't agree with this doctor, so I have to completely disregard the science.

Just like Tibs!!

Don't worry the EU "science" is way better!

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[Troglodyte]

the mortality rate of COVID is pretty close to the flu, so if you believe masks are necessary for covid then you must also think they are necessary for flu season...forever.

If COVID wasn’t far more contagious than the flu and there was no flu vaccine, you might have a point.

 

[Troglodyte]

So liberals are now against the common practice of a second medical opinion?

When that opinion is complete ******* voodoo nonsense, YES!

 

[Troglodyte]

If you donated to the site, we might actually consider donating some of the proceeds to a pair of bifocals for you. But you don't, so you'll remain blind.

Deaths:
July 1 - 676
July 2 - 687
July 3 - 626
July 4 - 266
July 5 - 263
July 6 - 378
July 7 - 993
July 8 - 891
July 9 - 961
July 10 - 848
July 11 - 732
July 12 - 381
July 13 - 465
July 14 - 936
July 15 - 1,002
July 16 - 963
July 17 - 946
July 18 - 813
July 19 - 412
July 20 - 545

That's an average of 689 deaths daily in July. Not increasing to 1,000. In fact, the absolute data shows a decrease in deaths in the past 5 days. We topped 1,000 once in July. Once. We topped 1,000 deaths FOUR times in June.

Keep it coming Floggy.

You did say “Keep it coming”.

How’s about an update?

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If COVID wasn’t far more contagious than the flu and there was no flu vaccine, you might have a point.

Please list out all of the diseases/situations (like car accidents) that are far more dangerous than COVID please, then show the Government mandated safety approaches levied for each per the CDC....heart disease, cancer, accidents, chronic respiratory diseases, stroke, alzheimers, diabetes, flu/pneumonia, nephritis, and suicide.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You did say “Keep it coming”.

How’s about an update?

You know where the data sits. Go fetch it. The deaths are up, as I said they likely would be. I asked what was your point? You still haven't answered....

Please answer my prior post...all of it this time.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Here ya go Flogged

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

When that opinion is complete ******* voodoo nonsense, YES!

her opinion on HCQ is not voodoo. It is backed up by lots of research. Maybe she is a kook on some subjects. But on HCQ, she is correct.

It is proven that HCQ in conjunction with antibiotics and zinc does help many people. It may not help others. What is the harm in prescribing it? Why the irrational blacklisting of a drug that’s been around 50+ years? If it doesn’t work for somebody then it doesn’t work. It’s not like the drug itself kills people. To follow their logic, we should ban chemotherapy for cancer patients. I mean it makes people very sick and doesn’t always work. Better ban it for everybody then right?

Here’s another question. Why must a pro HCQ video be pulled down? They are claiming it’s to protect the public so they don’t take this dangerous drug. But it’s a prescription drug. The general public can’t just go to Walmart and buy a family size jar of HCQ and start dosing the neighborhood. They must have it prescribed by their doctor who knows their health risks. So again, what public health concern is served by censoring this information? None. The only purpose is to intimidate doctors from prescribing it.

 

[Troglodyte]

You know where the data sits. Go fetch it. The deaths are up, as I said they likely would be. I asked what was your point? You still haven't answered....

Please answer my prior post...all of it this time.

Nope, re-read what YOU wrote. You said “not increasing... in fact decreasing”.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

If COVID wasn’t far more contagious than the flu and there was no flu vaccine, you might have a point.

is it more contagious? We have no idea. How many people get the flu and never go to the doctor? I have had flu multiple times and never gone to a doctor. I’d bet it’s the same for the vast majority. What if we started testing everybody for flu? I’m sure the cases would explode. Especially if we count the same people multiple times like they are doing with Covid. You test positive, that’s 1 case. The same person tests positive again 3 days later, that’s case #2.

there is no flu vaccine. I know they call it that but it’s just a guess and some years it barely works. Even in the best years, it still doesn’t work for everybody. The doctors have to guess what strain of flu will be around in the next few months and they design the vaccine to fight that strain. If they don’t get the expected strain then the vaccine is nearly useless.

if flu wasn’t as contagious as Covid and there was an actual flu vaccine, you might have a point.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nope, re-read what YOU wrote. You said “not increasing... in fact decreasing”.

And at the time it was. At the time what YOU said was daily deaths were near 1,000 a day. At the time...they were not.

Per the CDC...they still are not: http://www.steelernationforums.com/...navirus-thread&p=737051&viewfull=1#post737051

Per Worldmeters, they are.

Per MSNBC, they are a million a day.

Per CNN they are 250,000 a day.

Per Fibs and Flogged, they will be millions.

Pick your source, I don't care.

 

[Tibs]

Yeah, this is 'no more dangerous' than a regular flu.

Three-Quarters of Recovered Coronavirus Patients Have Heart Damage Months Later, Study Finds
https://people.com/health/three-qua...irus-patients-have-heart-damage-months-later/

Of the 100 patients studied, 78 had lingering heart damage despite being “mostly healthy … prior to their illness”

Well over half a year into the COVID-19 pandemic, experts are learning more about the virus that was initially believed to be only a respiratory illness. Over time, it’s become clear that COVID-19 attacks far more than just the lungs, and new research indicates that it can leave lasting heart damage, even in formerly healthy people who have recovered from the initial symptoms.

 

[Superman]

You know, part of the human condition, part of the adult compromise, is to weigh information from various sources and try to guage its relevancy in order to establish fact from fiction.

There is no doubt there are doctors, maybe even hundreds of doctors around the world, who may make claims about the efficiency of Hydroxychloroquine on covid patients.

I wish it were true. The broader medical and scientific community and various health agencies have yet to reach such conclusions.









I'm not happy about it, I wish it wasn't the case. It evidently works wonders on malaria patients, with Covid, not so. I hope they do find medicine to treat this, and in time, a proper vaccine. In the meantime, just trying to keep it real.

your articles reference the WHO release, whereas the WHO received their direction from China, where the outbreak started and the same China who claims barely any resulting cases at present. yet you fail to see how ****** up that is.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Another 9450 on the case pile today 216 deaths in a day which breaks the day before record. We're at 451,000. We may catch the great socialist utopia of California. So much for their stopping it with whatever shutdown measures they've done.

On a good note my tests negative. Which I already knew. Being a social hermit has its benefits.


...and that probably the whole family had it 5 months or so ago.

 

[Tibs]

This truly is turning into a case study on Darwinism, 2020 edition.

Unapologetic anti-masker GOP Rep. Louis Gohmert just tested positive for Covid. Thoughts & prayers.

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[Tibs]

Btw, you know who I miss on this board? I miss Spike. He and I have disagreed on most everything re politics over the years, but he's a colorful character and adds a lot of info and insight into current events. Come on back already, man.

 

[Superman]

her opinion on HCQ is not voodoo. It is backed up by lots of research. Maybe she is a kook on some subjects. But on HCQ, she is correct.

It is proven that HCQ in conjunction with antibiotics and zinc does help many people. It may not help others. What is the harm in prescribing it? Why the irrational blacklisting of a drug that’s been around 50+ years? If it doesn’t work for somebody then it doesn’t work. It’s not like the drug itself kills people. To follow their logic, we should ban chemotherapy for cancer patients. I mean it makes people very sick and doesn’t always work. Better ban it for everybody then right?

Here’s another question. Why must a pro HCQ video be pulled down? They are claiming it’s to protect the public so they don’t take this dangerous drug. But it’s a prescription drug. The general public can’t just go to Walmart and buy a family size jar of HCQ and start dosing the neighborhood. They must have it prescribed by their doctor who knows their health risks. So again, what public health concern is served by censoring this information? None. The only purpose is to intimidate doctors from prescribing it.

another example would be prescribing Allegra for some patients and Zyrtec for others. You know, since Allegra works for some, but not all. Same with Zyrtec.
or, per Flog and Tibs, we should ban both until we have one ultimate allergy medicine that works for everyone.

 

[Tibs]

your articles reference the WHO release, whereas the WHO received their direction from China, where the outbreak started and the same China who claims barely any resulting cases at present. yet you fail to see how ****** up that is.

Hmmm. interesting Supe.

From the links I posted, the case studies on hydroxychloroquine that were referenced include:

- The New England Journal of Medicine, citing clinical tests conducted at the New York–Presbyterian Hospital (NYP)–Columbia University Irving Medical Center (CUIMC). > https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2012410

- A clinical test conducted in the United Kingdom, with a grant from the University of Oxford from UK Research and Innovation National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) > https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/hcq-recovery-statement-050620-final-002.pdf

- a clinical test conducted by researchers at the University of Minnesota, also published in the The New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

- a clinical study at the Germans Trias i Pujol University Hospital in Barcelona, Spain.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04304053


I reckon you're gonna argue all of these are also under the direct, strict guidance and supervision of the Chinese Communist party.

 

[Troglodyte]

her opinion on HCQ is not voodoo. It is backed up by lots of research. Maybe she is a kook on some subjects. But on HCQ, she is correct.

It is proven that HCQ in conjunction with antibiotics and zinc does help many people. It may not help others. What is the harm in prescribing it? Why the irrational blacklisting of a drug that’s been around 50+ years? If it doesn’t work for somebody then it doesn’t work. It’s not like the drug itself kills people. To follow their logic, we should ban chemotherapy for cancer patients. I mean it makes people very sick and doesn’t always work. Better ban it for everybody then right?

Here’s another question. Why must a pro HCQ video be pulled down? They are claiming it’s to protect the public so they don’t take this dangerous drug. But it’s a prescription drug. The general public can’t just go to Walmart and buy a family size jar of HCQ and start dosing the neighborhood. They must have it prescribed by their doctor who knows their health risks. So again, what public health concern is served by censoring this information? None. The only purpose is to intimidate doctors from prescribing it.

HCQ was being presented as a cure, it is not. That is MISinformation. Social media outlets pulled it so naive members of society don’t take it seriously and disregard preventative measures.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

When that opinion is complete ******* voodoo nonsense, YES!

Admittedly, I did not see the entire 44 minute video, did you?

However, censorship because you may disagree with someone politically is Orwellian in nature. I've stated before that I worked with physicians for decades in a healthcare clinic, and in that time dispensed hydroxychloroquine hundreds if not thousands of times. The drug when it is prescribed appropriately is safe to use. Evidence would seem to show that it is effective in some patients, so why the absolute hysteria about it? The answer couldn't be politics, could it?

Oh, some good news, new Covid cases have been declining in AZ over the last 2 weeks, about 2,100 new cases reported today, down from a high of about 4,500 a few weeks ago.

 

[Superman]

Hmmm. interesting Supe.

From the links I posted, the case studies on hydroxychloroquine that were referenced include:

- The New England Journal of Medicine, citing clinical tests conducted at the New York–Presbyterian Hospital (NYP)–Columbia University Irving Medical Center (CUIMC). > https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2012410

- A clinical test conducted in the United Kingdom, with a grant from the University of Oxford from UK Research and Innovation National Institute for Health Research (NIHR) > https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/hcq-recovery-statement-050620-final-002.pdf

- a clinical test conducted by researchers at the University of Minnesota, also published in the The New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

- a clinical study at the Germans Trias i Pujol University Hospital in Barcelona, Spain.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04304053


I reckon you're gonna argue all of these are also under the direct, strict guidance and supervision of the Chinese Communist party.

no - the post I quoted had one article from WHO, and an article referencing that same article. While you also had two others in there. Your article from the NEJM was from May 7 (even you would have to admit that science could progress from there, since it would be two months old via publication, and likely a little older for the data to be crunched and analyzed). This can be confirmed as your last link also shows that one article suggesting that Rona patients who used Hydroxy had a higher death rate was retracted. So if we review your last article, it suggests that some doctors want to end all trial studies, others do not and some are on the fence.

so what was your intention of linking all four?

 

[SanDiegoSteeler]

I am guessing we are all gonna die,,, or want to.