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YES! The experts are saying deaths in the six figures by EOY. You mocked that. You say 45,000.
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YES! The experts are saying deaths in the six figures by EOY. You mocked that. You say 45,000.
Can someone, anyone please help me understand what this goon is trying to get at?
The deaths are already in the six figures, numbnuts. Biden said an additional 200,000 were going to die in 2.5 months and you basically said "yeah, well what's wrong with that?" Then you farted out this figure:
I simply refuted that bloated figure based on recent weeks metrics and came up with an additional 45,000. So that totals 268,000. Okay, we've established that. That's quite a different number than what you spit out though. 100,000 less, no? Now what is your major malfunction again?
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Makes perfect sense to me. I don't have a clue what his issue is with those numbers.
Okay, thanks. Was wondering if I was in the twilight zone or something.
Would you mind articulating their approaches? What is it that each of them do, one by one, that is different than the US? I'm curious about your insight? Or is this just a blind examination of "mortality" rates without context?
How about the following context. We know that COVID is particularly deadly for those who are obese and/or have diabetes. So let's compare those countries you point to as "leaders" in battling COVID.
Now I ask you...is it any coincidence that of the 8 countries you listed, the TWO with the highest COVID deaths per million are the two leaders in obesity and in diabetes prevalence?
When you look at the impact COVID has on countries, one must look beyond masks, lockdowns, testing and tracing. When 36.2% of your population is obese, and 10.8% of your population has diabetes, you are going to get slammed by COVID regardless the pervasiveness of lock down measures.
Vietnam has 0.4 deaths per million. Their obesity rate is 2.1% and their diabetes rate is 6%. That is a 34.1% lower obesity rate and a 4.8% lower diabetes rate.
You'll ignore this data, of course.
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Early studies showed that a whopping 25% of people hospitalized for COVID had diabetes.
Morbidly obese COVID-19 patients are 60% more likely to die or require intubation, compared with people of normal weight, researchers found. Patients who were mildly obese were 10% more likely to die or need a breathing machine, while those who were moderately obese were 30% more likely, according to the study.
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Oh, and I have asked Flog four times now:
Did you lose a paycheck due to the shutdown? Answer the question.
Of course not. He LOVES the shutdown. No traffic, plenty of parking, still earning plenty, life is grand.
What, 30 million lost their jobs, businesses, life savings, are consuming twice the alcohol as previous, suicide up, depression up, a generation of students harmed? Who cares, Flog can get to work in less than half the time!!
Yeah for lockdowns, says a ***** still earning the same or probably more money. The rest of the population? Pffft, they deserved to die and deserve to be locked down. Flog the Pompous lives by the advice of the caring, wonderful mass murderer, Andrew "the Scythe" Cuomo:
"If you're so desperate to work amid the virus, go get a job as an essential worker.”
Did you lose a paycheck due to the shutdown? Answer the question.
Of course not. He LOVES the shutdown. No traffic, plenty of parking, still earning plenty, life is grand.
What, 30 million lost their jobs, businesses, life savings, are consuming twice the alcohol as previous, suicide up, depression up, a generation of students harmed? Who cares, Flog can get to work in less than half the time!!
Yeah for lockdowns, says a ***** still earning the same or probably more money. The rest of the population? Pffft, they deserved to die and deserve to be locked down. Flog the Pompous lives by the advice of the caring, wonderful mass murderer, Andrew "the Scythe" Cuomo:
"If you're so desperate to work amid the virus, go get a job as an essential worker.”
No bro, you're not in the twilight zone, he's trying to gaslight you. Don't fall for it.
223,000 is already in six figures, genius
you're flip-flopping on your statements, and being extremely disingenuous in doing so.
per this:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
the US is "near the bottom" of the number of deaths. in fact, we have MORE deaths than any other country in the entire world. Hurray, Flog! you made a valid point.
However, what you're not seeing is we have the third highest population of any country, are 19th in Tests per million, rank SECOND in total tests (beaten out by China of all countries), deaths per million is 10th at 691 per million, we have 26k cases per million to rank 11th, with 16k of those being serious/critical, first in active cases at 2.8 million, rank second to only India in Total Recovered cases (India also has the largest population, yet have just 1.4 million more recovered).
Bleaker news - we have 229,145 total deaths from Rona as of 10/23 at 6pm. This is the 297th day of the year. That's 771 people dying per day on average.
Let's dig into that, shall we?
the state with the highest death total is New York. We've been through this time and time again, but here we are ...
To date, NY has 527k Cases of Rona and 413,757 Recovered. 33,546 deaths.
The County in NY with the most deaths is Kings with 7,381. Second is Queens, with 7,290.
Kings encompasses Brooklyn. Per ny.gov:
from the looks of it on the map provided, Kings County is a tiny little speck.
Queens County is right next to Kings County, naturally.
The populations, you might ask? Kings has 1,631,000 and Queens is 1,442,000. So, roughly the same population. Yet these two counties account for 14,500 total deaths thus far, which is nearly half of the entire state. Those two counties account for a fairly high percentage of the deaths nationwide, as well.
You still with me? I know facts aren't your strong point, but this gets deeper. Grab a cup of coffee.
The Bronx County has had 4,985 total deaths. Manhattan County has had 3,192 deaths. Nassau has had 2,208. Sorry, Nassau County. Suffolk County has had 2,019 total deaths.
Let's now add those total deaths up:
Kings - 7,381
Queens - 7,290
Bronx - 4,985
Manhattan - 3,192
Nassau - 2,208
Suffolk - 2,019
total - 27,075
Nearly 1/10 of the entire nation's reported deaths. All those were on a goddamned island.
Hopefully you can see that while this IS a contagious disease, it has been pretty limited on where it has been. Primarily in six counties in New York.
The next highest death total in the country is Texas, with 17,949. Harris County (Houston) has 2,765. Dallas County (Dallas) has 1,214.
Bexar (San Antonio) has 1,390. Adding up all those is 5,369 deaths. Still less than either Kings or Queens county in New York
Let's add to our running total from above:
Harris County - 2,765
Dallas County - 1,214
Bexar County - 1,390
NY Six - 27,075
Total - 32,444
The third highest death rate is California. The county with the largest number of total deaths is Los Angeles, with 6,956.
That brings our running total to 39,400.
Fourth in the death count is New Jersey. Isnt that really ******* close to New York? Huh. Odd, aint it? Anyway, the top two counties in New Jersey are Bergen (2,057) and Essex (2,139).
Let's add that to our running total, shall we?
39400 + 2057 + 2139
43,596 is our new total
Which means that there are 185,598 total deaths throughout the rest of the country from the Rona.
Populations
Kings 1,631,095
Queens 1,442,863
Bronx 945,807
Manhattan 1,339,552
Nassau 995,123
Suffolk 1,008,543
Harris 1,552,525
Dallas 902,113
Bexar 539,730
Los Angeles 2,936,763
(Bergen and Essex populations not available)
total population of those counties is 13,294,114
.0029 have died from the Rona in those counties
Because of those counties causing such a fear, we have effectively shut down the country, killed our economy and crippled the American Dream.
There's no reason why this country should be shut down based on the deaths from 14 ******* counties in the country. There are 3,141 counties in this country. Due to the deaths in those counties, we're now all suggested/mandated to wear masks, social distance, etc.
Do you really think its appropriate for the entire country to be held hostage based on those counties? I'm sure you do.
Yeah likely, but no sweat off my back. Watching him spin like a top is good entertainment.
In March and April the Cannonball Coast-To-Coast speed record, which had stood for several years, was broken 7 times in 5 weeks. Detractors are saying they're not legit records because of Covid but the first rule of Cannonball is "there are no rules". Red Ball garage in Manhattan to the Portofino Inn in Santa Monica, how you get there is up to you.
No shock here, it appears Twitter deleted this post.
I read somewhere that death was inevitable.
Oh, and Flog, 3rd button from the left.
:Yoda voice: Deadbeat poster that Flog is.
Not sure if they're still locked out, but I still can't believe the blatant audacity at what they did to the NYPost.
The experts were saying 2.5 million dead back in March when everyone panicked and wiped the stores out of toilet paper because they were going to die. So worst case scenario, Trump saved 2 million lives.
Last I heard, they were going to be locked out until they retracted the story.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are only 10 states where cases are not rising and have stayed low. <a href="https://t.co/YKbJivDTQl">https://t.co/YKbJivDTQl</a> <a href="https://t.co/6pvaFD5BG7">pic.twitter.com/6pvaFD5BG7</a></p>— The New York Times (@nytimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1319707036440027136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Re: the lower graph, the virus doesn't even want to be a part of "Cascadia".
Re: the lower graph, the virus doesn't even want to be a part of "Cascadia".
The Chinese need to pay so dearly for what they unleashed on the world. I know small businesses everywhere are hurting (I work for one and it's barely staying afloat), but the restaurant and service industry is just being decimated. Forget the large chains, they'll be a-okay, but all of small to medium establishments are closing permanently. Look at this, what looks like a little national treasure, having to close its doors permanently:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to give you an idea of how beautiful it was. <a href="https://t.co/CiLXJGXzPM">pic.twitter.com/CiLXJGXzPM</a></p>— David Reaboi (@davereaboi) <a href="https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1320028110151163905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just to give you an idea of how beautiful it was. <a href="https://t.co/CiLXJGXzPM">pic.twitter.com/CiLXJGXzPM</a></p>— David Reaboi (@davereaboi) <a href="https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1320028110151163905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Some lives matter Steel.
I've been literally in never ending arguments with some Liberals and they go like this:
Them: "Must protect Granny. Must stay locked down. Must protect the vulnerable. Stay locked down.'
Me: 'Yeah, but the lockdowns are killing people. Suicides are up over 100% in some areas. Heart attacks up. People are dying."
Them: "Staying locked down is the only way we solve this!!!"
Me: "But the lockdowns are killing people. Not figuratively, like literally man...we are able to start counting the deaths from the lockdown effects. Don't all lives matter??"
Them: "People aren't dying as a result of the lockdowns!"
Try having a discussion with a Liberal and point out that their religious devotion to lockdowns is simultaneously supporting the death of innocent Americans and the destruction of their lives...like the owners of this business.
Keep "but don't all lives matter?" in your back pocket, you'll need it (it won't help at all, but just have it handy).
A decent mod would ban you for such hate speech. Racist.
And Tim, I would imagine that you understand the gravity of this entire thing a little more than just about all of us here (I know Sarge had a loved one who got it I think, and maybe a couple others?) because it touched you personally. It's a very contagious virus. It becomes severe to fatal in people with certain underlying conditions. Okay, that's been established. It's here. The only thing we can do constructively now is be conscientious and responsible, take better care of our own health, and let the medical experts (who aren't politicizing this damn thing) continue their work on treatments/therapeutics and a vaccine. Have they talked much about taking certain vitamins or stressing the importance of eating healthy?
In the meantime, let's not just stop our way of life and live in a secluded prison of fear and anxiety. I came across a video this morning from Good morning America where apparently there were more recorded cases yesterday then there have been since this whole thing started. But then they went on and on with the fear mongering, and how's it's so important to wear a mask, and that Trump is bad and Fauci is good because he's entertaining a national mask mandate, and that a student at the University of Dayton in Ohio died of it. One 18-year-old. Okay. Give us a little context. Not just "oh my God it killed a young person and we have to continue to lock down and just hope and pray it doesn't reach us", which it inevitably will.
No information on that student though. Nothing about if they had underlying conditions, asthma, diabetes, heart disease etc. Just that it was the end of the world. It's just too much and it's costing lives in other ways than just the disease. Give the entire picture. Talk about the recoveries, and the therapeutics, and the progress of a vaccine. And have the medical experts assure citizens that things are being done by medical experts at a breakneck pace and things are moving along. There's just none of that. Only how awful of a situation it is. Doom and gloom all-around.
Just stop it already. It's a ******* respiratory virus. They've been around for millenniums. Make sure the elderly and vulnerable are completely aware of what precautions to take etc. But for the rest of us who are relatively healthy, don't act like this thing is a death sentence. Our 74-year-old President, who I think we could say is obese and doesn't eat well at all, he got it and he recovered. There are tens of thousands of other cases just like it where they recovered -- but no talk about that.
And no talk about what you talked about. The suicides, the rise in depression, the substance abuse & alcoholism. And the abuse of others. The separation of loved ones. Matthew McConaughey was on Fox and Friends and I really don't even watch Fox but I caught this video on YouTube of him talking with them, and him talking about living constructively right now. And that's be aware and be responsible and use common sense, but don't stop living your life. And he was real vocal re: people in power and in the media to stop politicizing this ****. Everything he said made perfect sense and he seems like quite the articulate and intelligent guy. But he was on Fox and Friends.
How many people are really going to see that? Would ABC, CBS, NBC etc. have him on to talk a little common sense and maybe settle some people down a little? I think we all know the answer to that question, and that's what's disgusting about this whole thing. Enough is enough.
In the meantime, let's not just stop our way of life and live in a secluded prison of fear and anxiety. I came across a video this morning from Good morning America where apparently there were more recorded cases yesterday then there have been since this whole thing started. But then they went on and on with the fear mongering, and how's it's so important to wear a mask, and that Trump is bad and Fauci is good because he's entertaining a national mask mandate, and that a student at the University of Dayton in Ohio died of it. One 18-year-old. Okay. Give us a little context. Not just "oh my God it killed a young person and we have to continue to lock down and just hope and pray it doesn't reach us", which it inevitably will.
No information on that student though. Nothing about if they had underlying conditions, asthma, diabetes, heart disease etc. Just that it was the end of the world. It's just too much and it's costing lives in other ways than just the disease. Give the entire picture. Talk about the recoveries, and the therapeutics, and the progress of a vaccine. And have the medical experts assure citizens that things are being done by medical experts at a breakneck pace and things are moving along. There's just none of that. Only how awful of a situation it is. Doom and gloom all-around.
Just stop it already. It's a ******* respiratory virus. They've been around for millenniums. Make sure the elderly and vulnerable are completely aware of what precautions to take etc. But for the rest of us who are relatively healthy, don't act like this thing is a death sentence. Our 74-year-old President, who I think we could say is obese and doesn't eat well at all, he got it and he recovered. There are tens of thousands of other cases just like it where they recovered -- but no talk about that.
And no talk about what you talked about. The suicides, the rise in depression, the substance abuse & alcoholism. And the abuse of others. The separation of loved ones. Matthew McConaughey was on Fox and Friends and I really don't even watch Fox but I caught this video on YouTube of him talking with them, and him talking about living constructively right now. And that's be aware and be responsible and use common sense, but don't stop living your life. And he was real vocal re: people in power and in the media to stop politicizing this ****. Everything he said made perfect sense and he seems like quite the articulate and intelligent guy. But he was on Fox and Friends.
How many people are really going to see that? Would ABC, CBS, NBC etc. have him on to talk a little common sense and maybe settle some people down a little? I think we all know the answer to that question, and that's what's disgusting about this whole thing. Enough is enough.