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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For a virus with a more than 99% survivability rate. <a href="https://t.co/99yhdj54ir">pic.twitter.com/99yhdj54ir</a></p>— Brandon Straka (@BrandonStraka) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonStraka/status/1331061473368567811?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Melbourne teenager is choked unconscious and thrown to the floor like a rag doll by hotel security, for not wearing a mask. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheNewNormal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheNewNormal</a> <a href="https://t.co/cZFdDmUvhG">pic.twitter.com/cZFdDmUvhG</a></p>— President-Elect BeachMilk (@YellowCube7) <a href="https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1331572386005540865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Melbourne teenager is choked unconscious and thrown to the floor like a rag doll by hotel security, for not wearing a mask. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheNewNormal?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheNewNormal</a> <a href="https://t.co/cZFdDmUvhG">pic.twitter.com/cZFdDmUvhG</a></p>— President-Elect BeachMilk (@YellowCube7) <a href="https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1331572386005540865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This incident didn’t occur because of a mask. The guard used excessive force, but a mask had nothing to do with it. He was drunk, removed from the hotel and snuck back into the bar and was caught making his own drinks.
 
Yet Cuomo is lauded as a damned GENIUS.

How Cuomo and De Blasio Ruined New York

If New York were its own country, it would have more coronavirus deaths per capita than any other in the entire world.

At the center of Andrew Cuomo’s litany of errors is his now infamous “March 25 advisory” issued to nursing home administrators, directors of nursing, and hospital discharge planners.

The order put nursing homes in the position where they’d be forced to treat those infected with coronavirus. With that fact alone one can immediately see how such a policy would cause mass death. While a sane individual would prioritize the safety of the elderly against a virus that disproportionately kills the elderly, logic was lost on the Cuomo administration.

The rules were simple; that if a hospital determined that a patient who could be sent to a nursing home was stable, the home had no choice but to take them. As many as 4,500 patients infected with coronavirus were sent to nursing homes.

What could possibly go wrong? Everything.

As ProPublica noted in their June 16th report excoriating Cuomo’s policy:

In the weeks that followed the March 25 order, COVID-19 tore through New York state’s nursing facilities, killing more than 6,000 people — about 6% of its more than 100,000 nursing home residents.

States that issued orders similar to Cuomo’s recorded comparably grim outcomes. Michigan lost 5 percent of roughly 38,000 nursing home residents to COVID-19 since the outbreak began. New Jersey lost 12 percent of its more than 43,000 residents.

In Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6 percent of 73,000 nursing home residents died of the virus.

Meanwhile, the Republican County Executive of Rensselaer County rightly saw Cuomo’s advice as absurd and defied it. The only nursing home run by the county saw a total of zero coronavirus deaths.


Cuomo Plays Defense.

After roughly 6,000 of New York’s nursing home residents had died, Cuomo was asked on May 20th about calls for a federal probe into the state’s handling of the coronavirus.

In character for a Democrat in the modern era, Cuomo took the default position of blaming President Donald Trump for his mess. “Anyone who wants to ask why the state did that with COVID patients in nursing homes, it’s because the state followed President Trump’s CDC’s guidance,” Cuomo said. “So they should ask President Trump.”

It must be noted that nearly all the states that had similarly disastrous nursing home policies were run by Democrats, so it would certainly be odd for only Democrat leaders to head the advice of Trump’s CDC and then turn around and blame Trump for taking his advice.

Regardless, there’s no need to “ask President Trump” anything because Cuomo’s defense is a lie he knows he can get away with because no one in the media will fact check him.

In the CDC’s guidance Cuomo is referencing, issued two days before his March 25th order, the CDC cited two key factors to determine if a patient with coronavirus should be discharged to a nursing home. Those factors were if the patient is medically ready for the discharge, and if the nursing home can safely care for an infected patient by implementing all recommended protocols to stop spread of the virus.

The U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), which is the federal regulator of nursing homes, also issued guidance – and says that Cuomo didn’t follow it. The CMS’ top administrator made it clear that nursing homes were only to accept those patients for which they can care (as per guidance the CMS issued on March 13th). They would later say a week after Cuomo’s order that new long-term care patients should be screened for coronavirus testing “if available.” CMS guidance also states that nursing homes should dedicate a specific wing exclusively to returning residents to quarantine for 14 days.

And Cuomo’s guidance didn’t allow for that. As previously mentioned, New York was the only state that prevented testing of those being placed or returning to nursing homes.

It’s for reasons like these that the AMDA-Society for Post-Acute and Long-Term Care Medicine issued a statement on March 26 opposing the order: “We find the New York State Advisory to be over-reaching, not consistent with science, unenforceable, and beyond all, not in the least consistent with patient safety principles.”

The Nursing Home Death Toll Remains Unknown.

When it comes to the true nursing home death toll, New York Health Commissioner Howard Zucker does not have an answer. Upon being pressed about it by the New York State Assembly and Senate at a hearing he said he would “get back” to them (which is a polite way of saying that he won’t get back to them).

An Associated Press report noted that New York is the only state that only counts residents who died on nursing home property from coronavirus and not those who were transported to hospitals and died there as nursing home deaths.

In other states, nursing home resident deaths make up 44 percent of total coronavirus nursing home deaths, which would imply an additional 11,000 nursing home deaths in New York if that percent holds constant (and in reality, it’s probably larger).

In response to all the concern over the true number of nursing home deaths, Cuomo laughably claims that there’s no need for any independent investigation into that – and says that you’d “have to be blind” to not think calls for such an investigation are anything but political.
 


Special task forces will be making their rounds in certain states loyal to the fuhrer to make sure his orders are followed. Report offenders and join the cause..
 
This incident didn’t occur because of a mask. The guard used excessive force, but a mask had nothing to do with it. He was drunk, removed from the hotel and snuck back into the bar and was caught making his own drinks.

Ah. Can't believe anything these days and I'm damn sure not going to research every little thing I find, but thanks for the clarification. The way he hit the ground like a sack of potatoes was a little iffy, if you will.
 
This incident didn’t occur because of a mask. The guard used excessive force, but a mask had nothing to do with it. He was drunk, removed from the hotel and snuck back into the bar and was caught making his own drinks.

I feel like a bad person for watching this over and over....with a grin.
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms
Turns out it is a virus like the flu.

Hope you feel better soon jitter.

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Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms

That sucks...

Hell of a way to start your Thanksgiving holiday..

Hope all goes well jitter..
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms

Hope you feel better soon.
 
Thanks.....................Its my GF's B-day today and my B-Day is tomorrow, so not a good start. We have not really done anything lately so I have no clue where I picked it up at. Only thing I can think of is that my daughter had a kid in her daycare that tested positive, but my daughter had no symptoms. We have no cases at work now and when we did I moved all the sick residents plus cleaned their rooms and I didnt contract it, but that has been almost a month ago.
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms

Feel better!
 
Thanks.....................Its my GF's B-day today and my B-Day is tomorrow, so not a good start. We have not really done anything lately so I have no clue where I picked it up at. Only thing I can think of is that my daughter had a kid in her daycare that tested positive, but my daughter had no symptoms. We have no cases at work now and when we did I moved all the sick residents plus cleaned their rooms and I didnt contract it, but that has been almost a month ago.

It's obviously easy to get regardless of how careful you are. It's like colds. No matter how hard I try every year, I catch at least one.

It could be as simple as touching a keypad at the grocery store,a door handle, toilet seat,gas pump handle and then touching your face.

We all had what I presume to be the rona back in January.
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms

Hang in there. My wife still has no idea how or where she got it either. She seemed to turn the corner around day 5 as far as how she felt. Hopefully you can bounce back quickly.
 
Well i have finally tested positive. No idea how i got it. After work yesterday my head started hurting out of the blue. My temp has been like 101.7. Other than that i have no other symptoms

Sorry to hear! Lots of fluids, take a bunch of Zinc and Vitamin D, rest and feel better. Sucks to happen on Thanksgiving but we wish you the best!
 
So yesterday Josh and I went shopping. As we were leaving the store, I saw my crazy coworker entering the store. (This is the one who Lysol’s her mailbox, wears scrubs to work and changes in her garage, won’t eat or drink anything at school, and lectures me and another para about how we are co reuniting to the spread of Rona by not staying inside. She makes a point to say that she never leaves her house, but if she does leave to go shopping, she goes when it’s not crowded or when it’s the special shopping hours). We were leaving the store at 2ish and it was PACKED. I said “HI” and she looked at me with big eyes. She said nothing back- she was BUSTED. Another do as I say not as I do liberal. I have been laughing about it since yesterday.

Addendum- she was wearing regular clothes, not scrubs- she says she never leaves the house in street clothes because of germs. She also had a bag full of stuff to return- meaning she had been out and about before...all while lecturing me and Megan about not going anywhere.
 
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Interesting study on Covid:

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

In a nutshell they are saying that total deaths in the U.S. are almost identical to any other year. Covid deaths are being blamed for almost all the deaths of people that have it. Even if covid isn't the cause it is still being blamed for the death. It's more political than scientific. If Hillary were president they would count the deaths differently.
 
Interesting study on Covid:

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

In a nutshell they are saying that total deaths in the U.S. are almost identical to any other year. Covid deaths are being blamed for almost all the deaths of people that have it. Even if covid isn't the cause it is still being blamed for the death. It's more political than scientific. If Hillary were president they would count the deaths differently.

Makes sense, Hillary counts all her deaths differently when she arkancides people.
 
Interesting study on Covid:

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

In a nutshell they are saying that total deaths in the U.S. are almost identical to any other year. Covid deaths are being blamed for almost all the deaths of people that have it. Even if covid isn't the cause it is still being blamed for the death. It's more political than scientific. If Hillary were president they would count the deaths differently.

From jhunewsletter’s Twitter page:

“The article “A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19,” published in the Science & Technology section on Nov. 22, has been deleted.

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.”

Does anyone have the text of the article?
 
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From jhunewsletter’s Twitter page:

“The article “A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19,” published in the Science & Technology section on Nov. 22, has been deleted.

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.”

Does anyone have the text of the article?

Damn, I had it open on another computer, read it...left it open to share it...and I closed the computer :(

Facts are being buried - Pravda. This should concern EVERYONE.
 
Damn, I had it open on another computer, read it...left it open to share it...and I closed the computer :(

Facts are being buried - Pravda. This should concern EVERYONE.

It’s incredible. I’m not quick to buy into conspiracy theories but damn they’re making it really hard not to.
 
So yesterday Josh and I went shopping. As we were leaving the store, I saw my crazy coworker entering the store. (This is the one who Lysol’s her mailbox, wears scrubs to work and changes in her garage, won’t eat or drink anything at school, and lectures me and another para about how we are co reuniting to the spread of Rona by not staying inside. She makes a point to say that she never leaves her house, but if she does leave to go shopping, she goes when it’s not crowded or when it’s the special shopping hours). We were leaving the store at 2ish and it was PACKED. I said “HI” and she looked at me with big eyes. She said nothing back- she was BUSTED. Another do as I say not as I do liberal. I have been laughing about it since yesterday.

Addendum- she was wearing regular clothes, not scrubs- she says she never leaves the house in street clothes because of germs. She also had a bag full of stuff to return- meaning she had been out and about before...all while lecturing me and Megan about not going anywhere.

 
From jhunewsletter’s Twitter page:

“The article “A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19,” published in the Science & Technology section on Nov. 22, has been deleted.

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.”

Does anyone have the text of the article?

I found it by going to their page. A user posted it from the Web Archive. Thank God. Posting here for all to be able to read.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...1/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

By YANNI GU | November 22, 2020

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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND
After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September.

According to new data (https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...es-have-the-most-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths), the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States.

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception?

To answer that question, Briand shifted her focus to the deaths per causes ranging from 2014 to 2020. There is a sudden increase in deaths in 2020 due to COVID-19. This is no surprise because COVID-19 emerged in the U.S. in early 2020, and thus COVID-19-related deaths increased drastically afterward.

Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia.

“This is true every year. Every year in the U.S. when we observe the seasonal ups and downs, we have an increase of deaths due to all causes,” Briand pointed out.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND
Graph depicts the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND
Graph depicts the total decrease in deaths by various causes, including COVID-19.

The CDC classified all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths. Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths. This is likely the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease.

“All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded.

In an interview with The News-Letter, Briand addressed the question of whether COVID-19 deaths can be called misleading since the infection might have exacerbated and even led to deaths by other underlying diseases.

“If [the COVID-19 death toll] was not misleading at all, what we should have observed is an increased number of heart attacks and increased COVID-19 numbers. But a decreased number of heart attacks and all the other death causes doesn’t give us a choice but to point to some misclassification,” Briand replied.

In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes. Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand’s view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning.

Briand also mentioned that more research and data are needed to truly decipher the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the United States.

Throughout the talk, Briand constantly emphasized that although COVID-19 is a serious national and global problem, she also stressed that society should never lose focus of the bigger picture — death in general.

The death of a loved one, from COVID-19 or from other causes, is always tragic, Briand explained. Each life is equally important and we should be reminded that even during a global pandemic we should not forget about the tragic loss of lives from other causes.

According to Briand, the over-exaggeration of the COVID-19 death number may be due to the constant emphasis on COVID-19-related deaths and the habitual overlooking of deaths by other natural causes in society.

During an interview with The News-Letter after the event, Poorna Dharmasena, a master’s candidate in Applied Economics, expressed his opinion about Briand’s concluding remarks.

“At the end of the day, it’s still a deadly virus. And over-exaggeration or not, to a certain degree, is irrelevant,” Dharmasena said.

When asked whether the public should be informed about this exaggeration in death numbers, Dharmasena stated that people have a right to know the truth. However, COVID-19 should still continuously be treated as a deadly disease to safeguard the vulnerable population.
 
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