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The Coronavirus thread

Covid19 is real. It's legit. I don't know anyone that denies that it's real. The biggest issue I see is debate over the efficacy of masks. I keep hearing about anti-mask people, but it seems everywhere I go everyone is wearing one. I don't want to wear a mask, but I have to because my wife is immune compromised, and if I want to patronize businesses it is required. I'm not sure how well cloth masks work, if they work at all.

I'm also not sure how much I buy some of the conspiracies involving COVID, but at this point I put nothing past our government.
 
I’m starting to inch towards covid is legit.
My area is one of the highest hit in the country.

My aunts father in law died due to covid.
Had two cousins end up in ICU. One is still having breathing problems.

My cousins wife just got picked up by an ambulance today. Covid related.
She was anti mask too.

I’m not one to say wear a mask. But I will say just be careful out there

It is of course legit. It's a serious illness in some people, deadly in some people, and it appears to be highly, highly contagious. Wearing a mask is really no big deal to me, I don't have a problem with it. All I'm saying is where I live everyone is wearing them and cases are still surging. Maybe they'd be surging even worse without masks, who knows. But masks aren't a panacea. They aren't a legitimate plan in and of themselves to deal with this illness as dementia Joe seems to think.

I was in Walmart the other day and there are literally HORDES of people walking around, tons of employees stocking shelves. Everyone thinking they are perfectly safe because of the piece of cloth over their face. The only way to stop this virus from spreading is to have a complete and total lockdown, but the long term negative effects of that will be worse than the effects of Covid. I mean the reality is we're just in a terrible place right now with no immediate solution. And no one is really being honest about that.

What we really all should be doing is banging on the doors of the FDA and demanding they start vaccinating people. Yeah, there might be a few adverse effects from that but when people are dying by the thousands every day I think you go ahead and take your chances on that. I believe there are forces that do not want to see any positive results while Trump is still in office, they are dragging their feet while people get sick and die.
 
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Exactly. The regular flu doesn't kill 12,000 people in New York City in three months but I don't think masks do much good either.

Covid19 is real. It's legit. I don't know anyone that denies that it's real. The biggest issue I see is debate over the efficacy of masks.

Agreed. This is where I am. Is COVID real? Yes. Period. Is it deadly? For certain age groups, very much so. For the rest of us, not as much.

My concern, like so many, are the politically mandated treatments that simply have not worked. Masks are proving to have done little to nothing. And I'm tired of being preached to by talking heads, locals, nationals, neighbors about how important the mask is. Stop treating us like we are stupid. Until we see mask wearing and a decrease in cases, why do they think Americans will believe they are effective?

Do I wear one? Always when out. Do I believe they are working? Not at all.

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The county posts the number of ICU and ventilated patients on almost a daily level. Up until October, the number of ventilated patients was under 200 in Allegheny County. Cumulative total. To say they were toiling and grinding for 7 months is horseshit.

I have family/friends that work on the frontline of Covid-19....they know WTF is going on simply because they live it...YOU dont. So, theres that.
 
I have family/friends that work on the frontline of Covid-19....they know WTF is going on simply because they live it...YOU dont. So, theres that.

Therefore you are clearly a COVID epidemiologist and mensa on the subject because your 3rd cousin's uncle has a sister who is a nurse in an ICU.

My aunt married an African American and had a daughter (who is obviously black). I have two black cousins, one by blood, one by marriage. I also mentor a young African American man (going on over 6 years now) who's often a weekend or week-long guest here, and has been living in my home for 4 straight weeks current, and will be here through January this time around. I am therefore a Civil Rights leader and African American historian...using your logic.
 
So my paranoid co- workers daughter was sick the past few weeks. She had all the Covid signs and got tested. Twice. Both tests were negative. Coworker who preaches “FOLLOW THE SCIENCE” is now pissed that her daughter didn’t have Covid because all the symptoms were there. She insists that both the rapid test AND the mail in one were wrong. I can see being leery of the rapid test results (for both negative and positive), but not so much the mail in one. I don’t know why coworker is upset that her daughter didn’t have it unless she is realizing (slowly) that this is all an overblown pandemic and she would have to admit she’s wrong...and admit she looked like a fool.
 
But even so, whats the premise of reporting hospitalizations and ICU capacity ? It conveys the idea that the system is being overburdened and folks are trying to do a delicate balancing act. Sending those folks back to senior assisted communities too soon will have dire consequences. The bottom line is to have folks limit exposure so they dont get this virus. And keep folks out of these hospitals. Every nurse or respiratory tech i know working these Covid wards are worn the **** out over this (its been 6-7 months of toiling and grinding) and the thing that pisses them off the most is the ridiculousness of dismissal of this pandemic as a minor inconvenience, even folks who are about to flatline thinking this would never happen to them.

Were it not for the arrival of the vaccine, some of these folks would consider walking away from the job completely. I worry most about the healthcare workers. This pandemic is kickin their ***** daily. And quite a few of them have died themselves of the virus they fought

you can thank Trump for pushing this, and removing as much red tape as possible, to make it as quickly available as could possibly be.

er, I mean, Bomma.
 
So my paranoid co- workers daughter was sick the past few weeks. She had all the Covid signs and got tested. Twice. Both tests were negative. Coworker who preaches “FOLLOW THE SCIENCE” is now pissed that her daughter didn’t have Covid because all the symptoms were there. She insists that both the rapid test AND the mail in one were wrong. I can see being leery of the rapid test results (for both negative and positive), but not so much the mail in one. I don’t know why coworker is upset that her daughter didn’t have it unless she is realizing (slowly) that this is all an overblown pandemic and she would have to admit she’s wrong...and admit she looked like a fool.

Denialism can be a painful thing to endure. It could cause that person to question more of what they believe to be true.
 
Why is the hospital at the mercy of the assisted living facility? Hospitals aren’t homeless shelters and they’re not hotels either. They don’t get paid based on the number of days stayed. They are paid based on diagnosis and it’s same amount whether the patient stays 4 days or 14 days. There is a great incentive to discharge patients as soon as possible. Why would a hospital incur losses to accommodate an assisted living facility?

awfully awkward that you know how hospitals are budgeted but can't figure out how to click that third button from the top to continue to extoll your incredible brilliance.

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Length of stay does NOT factor into payment, it factors into costs for the hospital. The payment is a fixed amount based on diagnosis. Insurers don’t have to deny claims for lengthy stays, and they don’t get money back if the hospital is able to quickly discharge the patient.

you are flat out wrong and what’s funny is how confident you are on a subject you obviously know nothing about. You are claiming that if a patient is in the hospital for 3 days or 200 days, the payment is the same. Asinine.

Unlike you,I have actually worked with hospitals and insurance contracts in the past. I have seen them and the number of days billed as well as the total charges billed absolutely changes how much is paid, unless the hospital had some ******* negotiate their contract.
 
you are flat out wrong and what’s funny is how confident you are on a subject you obviously know nothing about. You are claiming that if a patient is in the hospital for 3 days or 200 days, the payment is the same. Asinine.

Unlike you,I have actually worked with hospitals and insurance contracts in the past. I have seen them and the number of days billed as well as the total charges billed absolutely changes how much is paid, unless the hospital had some ******* negotiate their contract.

Can you provide an example of a patient being discharged after a 200 day stay being assigned the same DRG as a patient being discharged after a 3 day stay?
 
Can you provide an example of a patient being discharged after a 200 day stay being assigned the same DRG as a patient being discharged after a 3 day stay?

Oh ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Flog now dropping acronyms like BOMBS!!!! You done stepped in it now Tape!

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LOVE this OpEd

COVID lockdowns are the most selfish act of the most selfish generation

If they are too scared of the world to walk around in it, say our boomer leaders, then no one should be allowed out of the house.

If the "greatest generation" were those who set off to fight in World War II, the most selfish generation are undoubtedly their children. These are the ones in our society who are advocating hard for the rest of us to suffer so that they might live. They impose lockdown orders, tell us to cancel our holidays, to stay home, to turn to technology for literally everything that we used to do together—work, education, social life, entertainment.

If they had any sense of justice or sacrifice themselves, they would isolate themselves for their own safety, and let the rest of us live in peace. Every new round of coronavirus cases (neé deaths) is a new reason for elected leaders of my parents' generation to issue new, restrictive orders that limit our ability to work, socialize, or educate our children.

The global Influenza A pandemic in 1968 was virtually ignored by the boomers, so much so that they held a massive music festival in Woodstock, New York, with absolutely no concern for their own health, or anyone else's. Now they have shut down the world to keep themselves safe.

And while they tell us it is for our own good, it's not even working.

Lockdowns in America, now in their 10th month, are not effective. We keep hearing that because people are dying, we need to lockdown more, we need to sacrifice more, that if we just give over our lives even further to fear we may have a chance at surviving. While sacrifice feels good because it feels like we are actually doing something, it is not actually helping.

Numbers are up. Lockdowns have been enforced since mid-March. It doesn't seem to matter who comes out and says lockdowns are a trash idea, either. The Word Health Organization, after originally following China's instructions in telling the world to shut down its economic engines, has since said that they meant only a short term lockdown, not these near year long extensions. What the WHO meant, apparently, was something more along the lines of "flattening the curve," not endless isolation resulting in poverty and starvation.

The issuance of The Great Barrington Declaration was another moment of light that America's leaders could have used to indicate that they were skipping down exactly the wrong path. Folks like Governors Whitmer, Cuomo, Newsom, Inslee, could have read the document and realizing that depriving their citizens of their livelihoods and earning power was not the top idea. But instead, these boomers doubled down on their plans, saying we have to lockdown more, deprive ourselves more, all for their own fears.

The Declaration calls for Focussed Protection, saying that: "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health, which is of course the very thing the lockdowns and restrictions were meant to protect.

They cite "lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health," and say outright that "Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice," that "Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed."

It is the aged, they say, and not the young who are most vulnerable to fatality from COVID-19. They write that "for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza." Yet these are the very people who are being horribly harmed by restrictions and lockdowns. In an effort to protect themselves, the boomers are destroying the lives of their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

If they are too scared of the world to walk around in it, say our boomer leaders, then no one should be allowed out of the house.

The baby boomers, those kids born to the returning war heroes, played in suburban yards, were educated in well-funded public schools, and were able to fund their college degrees with summer jobs. These are the ones who took the sacrifices their parents made for them and threw them back in their face, and now they're telling the rest of us to sacrifice on the altar of their own fears.

The baby boomers burned their parents' morality, religion, tradition, institutions, and anything else they could get their hands on, and they did it thoroughly. Now, in a wave of self-hatred and righteousness, they are burning western civilization to the ground, not just what their parents built, but their own contributions as well. And they're doing it because they are terrified.

The baby boomers are well past middle age, and while every new decade was reclassified just for them as "the new 30," there's just no way to spin that at 60, or at 70, and as the age of frailty and the elderly last few decades near close, they are finally having to open their eyes to the creeping decrepitude and irrelevance of old age. They don't like it one bit. So much so that they've installed a near octogenarian as leader of the free world—and they're happy about it.

They have enjoyed decades of telling us what is in our best interests, and somehow it is always to serve their own ends. These lockdowns are just the same.
 
It is of course legit. It's a serious illness in some people, deadly in some people, and it appears to be highly, highly contagious. Wearing a mask is really no big deal to me, I don't have a problem with it. All I'm saying is where I live everyone is wearing them and cases are still surging. Maybe they'd be surging even worse without masks, who knows. But masks aren't a panacea. They aren't a legitimate plan in and of themselves to deal with this illness as dementia Joe seems to think.

I was in Walmart the other day and there are literally HORDES of people walking around, tons of employees stocking shelves. Everyone thinking they are perfectly safe because of the piece of cloth over their face. The only way to stop this virus from spreading is to have a complete and total lockdown, but the long term negative effects of that will be worse than the effects of Covid. I mean the reality is we're just in a terrible place right now with no immediate solution. And no one is really being honest about that.

What we really all should be doing is banging on the doors of the FDA and demanding they start vaccinating people. Yeah, there might be a few adverse effects from that but when people are dying by the thousands every day I think you go ahead and take your chances on that. I believe there are forces that do not want to see any positive results while Trump is still in office, they are dragging their feet while people get sick and die.

The forces are our own government it seems.
It doesn’t help that we have a mask vs anti mask crowd. Which again, I’ll leave that up for the individual to decide.

We have a lot of problems right now. It sucks
 
DRG: Dims Retarding Growth

Or secret service code for 'Ole Joe - Dementia Ridden Groper.

(ps....Flog gonna be along soon and tell you a DRG is diagnostic related grouping and tell us all how stupid we are)
 
And to improve the intellectual level of the discussion here:

Owner of Pineapple Bar & Grill - hit.
 
And to improve the intellectual level of the discussion here:

Owner of Pineapple Bar & Grill - hit.

the sun is bright, water is wet, wet cardboard is sturdier than Biden's balance.

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the sun is bright, water is wet, wet cardboard is sturdier than Biden's balance.

If we expect better from someone in certain areas like creeping, it's you Soop. You didn't look hard enough.

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Can you provide an example of a patient being discharged after a 200 day stay being assigned the same DRG as a patient being discharged after a 3 day stay?

Here’s a website for Florida blue cross with examples of how to calculate payments for the same DRG with various length of stays. Seems strange they put a lot of work into coming up with this if length of stay is completely moot as you stated.

https://www.floridablue.com/sites/floridablue.com/files/docs/Length of Stay Examples.pdf

You see, in the real world, DRG have what are called trim points. That’s the number of days that are included in the initial payment but then if the stay is longer than the trim point, a different rate applies. It could be a different calculation of % or it could simply be a Per Diem payment. Per Diem meaning per day. Funny that a concept of Per Diem would even exist if the length of stay didn’t matter at all.

You see, Hospitals whose contract was not negotiated by a retard, build in additional payments for when the stay is long or has very high billed charges. They 3 day stay and the 200 day stay might pay exact;y the same for those first 3 days, but after that, they most likely pay very differently. The 200 day stay will likely get paid a set rate Per Diem (per day) for days over the agreed upon number of days that are included in the initial DRG payment. Then some contracts even have a $ threshold where the Hospital is paid a % of charge over a certain amount.

but again, your thesis that hospital gets paid the same regardless of length of stay or billed charges is ridiculously false.

It is obvious that you don’t really know anything about this. All you know is some blurb you read somewhere or maybe a conversation you overheard in an elevator and that blurb was either a basic oversimplified example or that person also had no idea what they were talking about. This is the point where a normal person would admit they were wrong and that they were misinformed, but I’m sure you will try to carve out some other angle to claim you are correct. Let me help. Maybe you can claim that only Florida is different and every place else, Hospitals accept $20K for a stay that billed over a million dollars. Yeah, sound legit.
 
You want to know how well off the so-called "critical workers" are doing in the lockdown? Government employee salaries and benefits are available online, and we should get the 2020 data within two months.

For example, the California Director of Health, Barbara Ferrer, made some pretty good coin in 2019: $522,211 in salary and another $62,900 in benefits.

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=Barbara+Ferrer&y=2019

My tax dollars at work. That ***** has not missed a paycheck, I guaran-*******-tee you that.

Though to be fair, she seems to have missed a few dozen transfusions and hair appointments.

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You want to know how well off the so-called "critical workers" are doing in the lockdown? Government employee salaries and benefits are available online, and we should get the 2020 data within two months.

For example, the California Director of Health, Barbara Ferrer, made some pretty good coin in 2019: $522,211 in salary and another $62,900 in benefits.

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=Barbara+Ferrer&y=2019

My tax dollars at work. That ***** has not missed a paycheck, I guaran-*******-tee you that.

Though to be fair, she seems to have missed a few dozen transfusions and hair appointments.

iu

are you suggesting that Flog is a gubmint employee?
 
are you suggesting that Flog is a gubmint employee?

If memory serves, he reports to consult on medical issues, particularly involving long-term care facilities.

Guess who is a "critical worker" making tons and tons and tons of money!! "Yeah, lockdowns!" said every guy missing zero paychecks.
 
If memory serves, he reports to consult on medical issues, particularly involving long-term care facilities.

Guess who is a "critical worker" making tons and tons and tons of money!! "Yeah, lockdowns!" said every guy missing zero paychecks.

So you're saying, the longer the lockdowns continue and the more people suffer, one resident non-contributing member, Floggy, stands to enrich himself?

Isn't that kind of like hospitals making $30K per stated COVID case or something like that?
 
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