The Coronavirus thread

[Tim Steelersfan]

Still #1 and #2 all-time in cases per capita despite being two of the least densely populated states.

Honestly, it’s like you’ve forgotten everything you ever knew about highly contagious diseases, Tim.

Flogtard, 10/9/20 - "But where are the cases/population highest currently - seven ******* months in? North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Montana, Utah, Idaho."

Floggy, 10/30/20 - "No ******* reason? North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming, states with very little if any Covid restrictions, currently have new case rates that are between 3 and 7 times higher than Gov. Wolfe’s Pennsylvania."

Flogged, 11/02/20 - "What is happening NOW is of utmost relevance during a pandemic! 25 of NDs 53 counties had a Covid death in the past week, all but one had new cases, it’s not just populated areas."

Flogged, 11/19/20 - "What does testing have to do with deaths? If anything that would reduce South Dakota’s Covid death toll due to undetected cases. So South Dakota’s Covid death rate is 50 times higher because they have 8 times as many obese people? "

Flogged, 11/30/20 - "South Dakota’s Covid death rate for the past week is ten times higher than New York’s. TEN! She [Noem] could have learned something from Cuomo, she did not. She could have seen it coming."

Let's hold you to task, shall we free-loader? YOU tried using South and North Dakota in this thread to prove to us all why NOT LOCKING down was bad. You cheered as their cases and deaths rose hoping it would prove that lockdowns and masks worked...that NY and CA and PA and NJ's draconian lockdown rules were the right way to go. THAT was your premise. And you banged that drum while waffling along the way, as evidenced by your posts....

To make this failed argument, you argued case rates, cases, case rates, cases....then when cases began declining, you shifted to deaths, deaths, deaths.

Pick whatever measurement you want to try to back up your failed premise, a hill you're choosing to die on. Let's use your very own words: "What is happening NOW is of utmost relevance during a pandemic."

Indeed,what IS happening now Flogged?

Daily Cases and Daily Deaths in North Dakota and South Dakota, both sharply declining:





Now look at the other states:

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While SD and ND's daily cases look like the perfect bell curve and have bottomed out and their deaths are approaching the bottom of the bell curve, PA, NY, NJ, CA are not. They are still in the thick of it.

Lockdowns don't work Flog. The states with the less stringent lockdowns have fewer cases per 100K population. You pointing to SD and ND failed.

No wonder people are moving to places like SD and fleeing places like NY and NJ and CA.

You'd make a wonderful addition to NY or NJ though. Go live what you preach man, leave the safe confines of VA and dive into the abyss you so rabidly support.

 

[Troglodyte]

Let's hold you to task, shall we free-loader? YOU tried using South and North Dakota in this thread to prove to us all why NOT LOCKING down was bad. You cheered as their cases and deaths rose hoping it would prove that lockdowns and masks worked...that NY and CA and PA and NJ's draconian lockdown rules were the right way to go. THAT was your premise. And you banged that drum while waffling along the way, as evidenced by your posts....

To make this failed argument, you argued case rates, cases, case rates, cases....then when cases began declining, you shifted to deaths, deaths, deaths.

Pick whatever measurement you want to try to back up your failed premise, a hill you're choosing to die on. Let's use your very own words: "What is happening NOW is of utmost relevance during a pandemic."

Indeed,what IS happening now Flogged?

Daily Cases and Daily Deaths in North Dakota and South Dakota, both sharply declining:





Now look at the other states:

https://postimages.org/app







While SD and ND's daily cases look like the perfect bell curve and have bottomed out and their deaths are approaching the bottom of the bell curve, PA, NY, NJ, CA are not. They are still in the thick of it.

Lockdowns don't work Flog. The states with the less stringent lockdowns have fewer cases per 100K population. You pointing to SD and ND failed.

No wonder people are moving to places like SD and fleeing places like NY and NJ and CA.

You'd make a wonderful addition to NY or NJ though. Go live what you preach man, leave the safe confines of VA and dive into the abyss you so rabidly support.

LOL! My two sentences throw you into a frenzy!

What happened to your anti-lock down champion Sweden, Tim? They ultimately admitted to ******* up and imposed restrictions. You make an argument to which you cannot apply logic. Why would states with fewer restrictions have fewer cases per capita? What would be the reason? You simply don’t have one.

China locked down and is experiencing an increase in deaths - ONE last week. ONE! New Zealand, Australia, Tawain, South Korea, tell them lockdowns don’t work!

 

[oneforthebus]

What some of us have been saying from the beginning is that heavy restrictions only work until they are relaxed, and they aren't sustainable long term. Restrictions won't make the virus go away.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

What some of us have been saying from the beginning is that heavy restrictions only work until they are relaxed, and they aren't sustainable long term. Restrictions won't make the virus go away.

So you're saying it's a virus? Interesting.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

What happened to your anti-lock down champion Sweden, Tim? They ultimately admitted to ******* up and imposed restrictions. You make an argument to which you cannot apply logic. Why would states with fewer restrictions have fewer cases per capita? What would be the reason? You simply don’t have one.

China locked down and is experiencing an increase in deaths - ONE last week. ONE! New Zealand, Australia, Tawain, South Korea, tell them lockdowns don’t work!

Stay on topic Flog. You...YOU pointed to SD and ND for a reason, to make the argument "see, states without lockdowns are now as bad as and will surpass states like NY, etc with lockdowns."

That was your argument and sole point. You were wrong (typical). Those states are now in a better position than those with severe lockdowns. Fact.

We have posted study after study after study showing literally no evidence that lockdowns and masking are working.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horo...utm_term=ACTIVE LIST - TheBlaze Breaking News

Researchers at RationalGround.com, a clearinghouse of COVID-19 data trends run by a grassroots group of data analysts, computer scientists, and actuaries, did an analysis of all 50 states divided by those that had mask mandates and those that did not.

They studied the number of cases over a 229-day period from May 1 through Dec. 15 and divided the results of the two study groups by days with mask mandates and days without mask mandates. The non-mandate data group includes both states that never had a mandate and those that did at some point, but data set included only the days they did not have a mask mandate.

When comparing states with mandates vs. those without, or periods of times within a state with a mandate vs. without, there is absolutely no evidence the mask mandate worked to slow the spread one iota. In total, in the states that had a mandate in effect, there were 9,605,256 confirmed COVID cases over 5,907 total days, an average of 27 cases per 100,000 per day. When states did not have a statewide order (which includes the states that never had them and the period of time masking states did not have the mandate in place) there were 5,781,716 cases over 5,772 total days, averaging 17 cases per 100,000 people per day.

These types of facts are inarguable. But we know about Liberals and Facts, they simply don't mix. This is ideology to you. Belief and faith.

Look at the following Flogged, South Korea, another drum you've banged hard all year as the shining star on how to manage COVID. You still wanna publicly state their lockdowns worked?

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https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...LJTRsdFHojlQH2raL8vduUvqi239HymOMu7QoK85sXjbo

"Over the allotted period, counties with mask mandates saw 4.7% of their population infected while those without them saw a 4.6% infection rate. Interestingly, Hawkins County, which let its mandate expire at the end of September, had 4.3% of its population infected, while Carter County had 5.1% infected with a mandate in place. Both have nearly identical populations."

The above data is logic. Period. Your arguments are utterly illogical, and as I mentioned above, this is ideology to you. All of the data nearly a year into this shows the lockdowns are by and large ineffective.

I guess with SD and ND gone as examples you can use to support your faith, you'll look hard for others. Good luck.

 

[Steeltime]

LOL! My two sentences throw you into a frenzy!

Brilliant retort, Floggy. Cicero-like in its elegant simplicity. You must be the author of the long-respected and frequently-used repartee, "Nuh-uh."

What happened to your anti-lock down champion Sweden, Tim? They ultimately admitted to ******* up and imposed restrictions.

False. Sweden had very low infection and death rates until November, then suffered the same flare-up as the rest of Europe. Its per capita death rate is only the 19th highest in the world, behind even Switzerland and Hungary.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Know what Switzerland and Hungary have in common? Lockdowns!!

Why would states with fewer restrictions have fewer cases per capita? What would be the reason? You simply don’t have one.

Wait, what? Are you pretending to be this stupid? You cannot actually be this dumb, can you?

TSF has posted numerous times that having otherwise healthy population get and recover from the virus acts like a pseudo-vaccine. They are no longer carriers. States with massive lockdowns, like California, simply delayed the inevitable while states with little to no lockdowns, like South Dakota, had a substantial percentage of the population exposed and then immune, i.e., lowering the spread of the virus. It's called "herd immunity," and TSF has posted four or five articles on that very topic.

Were you drunk when you read those? Stupid? Stupid drunk?

China locked down and is experiencing an increase in deaths - ONE last week. ONE! New Zealand, Australia, Tawain, South Korea, tell them lockdowns don’t work!

Again, for at least the fifth time you moronic freeloading douchebag, Taiwan, New Zealand and Australia imposed massive restrictions on immigration into their island nations and don't have illegals walking across the border by the thousands. Know what state has the lowest infection rate? Yeah, Hawaii. Hmm, what do Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia and Hawaii have in common? Let me think, let me think ...

Further, data from China are worthless propaganda. Only a blithering dolt would believe what that country says about the disease. Oh, you believe what China tells you ... makes sense.

How many checks have you missed due to lockdowns? Answer the question, *****. HOW MANY? If the answer is "none," you have no say in the matter. Zero. **** you. If you want to hide in your basement with Punxsutawney Joe and grope each other, have at it. But **** off if you think you can order the rest of us around.

 

[Troglodyte]

The above data is logic. Period. Your arguments are utterly illogical, and as I mentioned above, this is ideology to you. All of the data nearly a year into this shows the lockdowns are by and large ineffective.

Sure, Tim. And YOU RESTRICTING your kid to his room when he had Covid was also illogical? It’s not that hard to understand. It’s a contagious disease.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Sure, Tim. And YOU RESTRICTING your kid to his room when he had Covid was also illogical? It’s not that hard to understand. It’s a contagious disease.

Comparing a child in his bedroom to a country of working citizens...BRILLIANT!

 

[Steeltime]

Sure, Tim. And YOU RESTRICTING your kid to his room when he had Covid was also illogical? It’s not that hard to understand. It’s a contagious disease.

How stupid are you? Not a rhetorical question - I genuinely want to know. Because you are comparing somebody known to have the virus with those who DON'T. If a "lockdown" involved greatly restricting access to those over 70 and quarantining those with the virus. nobody would oppose a lockdown.

Instead, you idiots shut down schools, when children basically shrug off the virus like a common cold, and shut down businesses with no significant history of spreading the virus, while sending Chinese flu patients to nursing homes. Yes, you morons did all of that.

Finally, for at least the fifth time - have you missed any checks due to lockdowns? Answer the question, you worthless ****.

 

[oneforthebus]

Sure, Tim. And YOU RESTRICTING your kid to his room when he had Covid was also illogical? It’s not that hard to understand. It’s a contagious disease.

Keeping known sick people away from others is sensible. The idea that you are going to be able to stop the entire human race from interacting with each other for years because some of them MIGHT be sick is nonsensical.

 

[Troglodyte]

Keeping known sick people away from others is sensible. The idea that you are going to be able to stop the entire human race from interacting with each other for years because some of them MIGHT be sick is nonsensical.

So allow people to cram into mass transit, no masks required like the ones in and out of NYC in early March?
Have packed nightclubs, no masks required?
Large rallies, no masks required - motorcycle or political?
Rose Garden ceremonies, no masks required?

 

[Steeltime]

So allow people to cram into mass transit, no masks required like the ones in and out of NYC in early March?
Have packed nightclubs, no masks required?
Large rallies, no masks required - motorcycle or political?
Rose Garden ceremonies, no masks required?

Swearing in ceremonies - no masks required?

For the sixth time - you miss any checks due to lockdown, you cheap prick?

 

[oneforthebus]

So allow people to cram into mass transit, no masks required like the ones in and out of NYC in early March?
Have packed nightclubs, no masks required?
Large rallies, no masks required - motorcycle or political?
Rose Garden ceremonies, no masks required?

I never said anything about no masks, even though I think they are far from foolproof, they also don't pose a significant burden on most people IMO.

Here's an idea, how about we let people assess the amount of risk they are willing to take on based on their own health and household circumstances. How about we advise people who are at high risk of severe illness and death to stay away from others, and let those who are very low risk of these things go about their lives while taking minimally burdensome precautions?

It appears the main mode of transmission is not restaurants or rallies or public transportation. It's among people gathering in private. Like I said, the only way to significantly slow or stop the spread is for everyone to never leave their house. But that is not sustainable. It's clear that many, many people aren't following these rules because they are simply too burdensome. So why not accept that and stop destroying people's livelihoods when it isn't working anyway.

 

[Steeler Pride]

So allow people to cram into mass transit, no masks required like the ones in and out of NYC in early March?
Have packed nightclubs, no masks required?
Large rallies, no masks required - motorcycle or political?
Rose Garden ceremonies, no masks required?

What about BLM protests and Riots...guess it is ok not to wear masks there either.

 

[Steeler Pride]

aren't following these rules because they are simply too burdensome. So why not accept that and stop destroying people's livelihoods when it isn't working anyway.

Bingo...NOBODY in the world has figured out how to stop the spread of the virus regardless of how draconian the measures were that they took. The UK is on its third lockdown and still has surging numbers. All of this over a virus that will not kill 99% of the people it infects.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

It just boggles my mind to sit back and watch people STILL claim that the lockdowns work. There is now near overwhelming data and evidence you yourself can find that shows they are having no impact. There are countless studies that show they are having little to no impact. You can visibly look at the data and the graphs and compare no-lockdown to lockdown locales and see...no difference.

To the Left and the CoronaBros, it's a religion. It's ideology. They work on "faith" despite the empirical evidence. And while doing so, they harm and kill thousands. 890,000 predicted to die in the USA ALONE due to lockdowns.

Some lives matter.

 

[Troglodyte]

Here's an idea, how about we let people assess the amount of risk they are willing to take on based on their own health and household circumstances. How about we advise people who are at high risk of severe illness and death to stay away from others, and let those who are very low risk of these things go about their lives while taking minimally burdensome precautions?

We are letting people assess the amount of risk they take. You can meet up with people at a restaurant or have them over to your house. It’s why they put limits on gatherings, so the amount of people exposed is limited, the risk remains. But you may also be putting others at risk, not just yourself.

People at high risk still need to go to the grocery store. People who care for high risk individuals do as well.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

We are letting people assess the amount of risk they take. You can meet up with people at a restaurant or have them over to your house. It’s why they put limits on gatherings, so the amount of people exposed is limited, the risk remains. But you may also be putting others at risk, not just yourself.

People at high risk still need to go to the grocery store. People who care for high risk individuals do as well.

And the methodologies to protect have failed, worldwide.

It's a virus. It's going to take its course. Sorry, those are the facts.

 

[Troglodyte]

It just boggles my mind to sit back and watch people STILL claim that the lockdowns work. There is now near overwhelming data and evidence you yourself can find that shows they are having no impact. There are countless studies that show they are having little to no impact. You can visibly look at the data and the graphs and compare no-lockdown to lockdown locales and see...no difference.

To the Left and the CoronaBros, it's a religion. It's ideology. They work on "faith" despite the empirical evidence. And while doing so, they harm and kill thousands. 890,000 predicted to die in the USA ALONE due to lockdowns.

Some lives matter.

Restrictions are put in place when cases are rising and it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect. Looking at implementation dates on a graph is misleading, you need to look 2-3 weeks later. Pennsylvanians latest restrictions reduced new cases by half. Dine in restaurants re-opened. Pennsylvania’s two largest counties are among the lowest in case rate. State College is in Centre County, they aren’t ******* around. 60,000 college kids. People wear masks outside. Extremely low case rate.

 

[oneforthebus]

Restrictions are put in place when cases are rising and it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect. Looking at implementation dates on a graph is misleading, you need to look 2-3 weeks later. Pennsylvanians latest restrictions reduced new cases by half. Dine in restaurants re-opened. Pennsylvania’s two largest counties are among the lowest in case rate. State College is in Centre County, they aren’t ******* around. 60,000 college kids. People wear masks outside. Extremely low case rate.

Cases in PA spiked after Thanksgiving, then dropped. They spiked after Christmas, than dropped. Gee, it's almost like they spiked after people were getting together in private residences!

Pretty much like every other place in the country. Oh, except maybe California which had the strictest lockdowns including bans on outdoor dining but whose cases went sky high and have stayed there. Wow it's almost like completely shutting down public socializing just leads to more private socializing!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Restrictions are put in place when cases are rising and it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect. Looking at implementation dates on a graph is misleading, you need to look 2-3 weeks later. Pennsylvanians latest restrictions reduced new cases by half. Dine in restaurants re-opened. Pennsylvania’s two largest counties are among the lowest in case rate. State College is in Centre County, they aren’t ******* around. 60,000 college kids. People wear masks outside. Extremely low case rate.

That's a moronic reply Flog. Not surprised.

Restrictions were put in place, all over the world, all over the country....prior to the fall and winter. Well prior. Latest states to adopt measures were in July. EVERYONE was wearing a mask and lockdowns were in place.

IF those means worked, cases should have been contained. They skyrocketed. Everywhere. EVEN SOUTH KOREA.

Bang that drum!!!

 

[oneforthebus]

Trog won't be happy until the police are busting down your door and counting your dinner guests.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Restrictions are put in place when cases are rising and it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect. Looking at implementation dates on a graph is misleading, you need to look 2-3 weeks later. Pennsylvanians latest restrictions reduced new cases by half. Dine in restaurants re-opened. Pennsylvania’s two largest counties are among the lowest in case rate. State College is in Centre County, they aren’t ******* around. 60,000 college kids. People wear masks outside. Extremely low case rate.

I'll reply again. Randomly I picked Ohio (what's a state we never discuss?). Pulled this graph and their mask mandate date.



If it takes 2-3 weeks to take effect, why did these measures lose their mystical powers in October?

Maybe, possibly...because they don't work? If they worked, why did we see rises like this everywhere? Hmmmmm.....

If my doctor tells me take this medicine and your blood pressure will drop...and I take the medicine for 6 months and see the blood pressure has risen....he's gonna have a tough time telling me the medicine is working.

 

[Steeltime]

Flog making bank on the Chinese flu, traffic is soooo much better, so Floggy love the lockdowns.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

LOL! My two sentences throw you into a frenzy!

What happened to your anti-lock down champion Sweden, Tim? They ultimately admitted to ******* up and imposed restrictions. You make an argument to which you cannot apply logic. Why would states with fewer restrictions have fewer cases per capita? What would be the reason? You simply don’t have one.

China locked down and is experiencing an increase in deaths - ONE last week. ONE! New Zealand, Australia, Tawain, South Korea, tell them lockdowns don’t work!

Holy **** are you trying to say you actually believe a goddamn thing from China on it's numbers? You have to be ******* kidding me. China's numbers are pure and total absolute bullshit. I don't believe they have come within 3 or 4 decimals of the truth in a single number they have put out and neither does the world.