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The Coronavirus thread

Steeltime said:
So let's see if I have this straight. You mock TSF for posting several articles from medical journals about the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of cloth masks and the Chinese flu, but you cite yourself and think you win the argument.

Uhhh, sure, Flog. You bet.

Hey, what if TSF then cites himself? He wins, right?
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No, I cited Germ Theory for my belief.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
OK I'm gonna tear that article apart. There's no way you read this, or you wouldn't have posted it. Wait...you would have. I'll stack all of the real studies (dozens) I posted above against this drivel horse **** posed as a real study. Learn below.

Let me break all of this down in layman's terms.

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1. It begins with the title. "Evidence that Masks Prevent the Spread of Coronavirus."

The title leads one to believe "they are going to discuss masks and stopping the spread of COVID" yet they don't test masks AND COVID whatsoever. The two aren't linked in this epic work.

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2. They interviewed a pulmonologist. A respiratory specialist. Not an epidemiologist. You know, the medical professionals that specialize in viruses and viral spread. Now I'm not saying he can't and shouldn't have an opinion, but if I wanted to do a real study on a virus, I'd be interviewing a doctor of viruses...duh.

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3. The article then states the following, and exposes the first gaping hole in "the study."



WRONG. Lies by exclusion. The virus lives in "droplets" AND "aerosols." Proven. The whole damned epic article omits aerosols. Totally. And only focuses on droplets - you know, the visible snot and stuff you see when someone sneezes. It's all they focus on. The word "aerosol" isn't mentioned ANYWHERE in the article.

The droplets are easier to address. It's easy to prevent them spreading and they fall to the earth rapidly. Coughing into your hands prevents droplet spread.

Aerosols are the problem. They pass right through masks and they linger in the air for minutes. NOT addressing aerosols is a major pitfall of this "so called study." I can stop droplets with a handkerchief or a neck gaiter. Yet even a properly fitted N95 will allow some % of aerosols to pass through. The cloth masks and bullshit we all wear every day are a sieve for aerosols and only stop up to 3% of aerosols.

This "article" intentionally omits aerosols...the real reason we saw cases growing after mask mandates. Eliminates the article for any consideration at all right there...full stop.

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4. The pulmonologist then says: "“The spread of the virus really goes down in areas where people wear masks and it goes as down as four-to-five times reduced risk of infection when people in the community are wearing a mask than when they’re not wearing a mask,” says Dr. Dweik." Yeah, show us where. I personally have posted dozens upon dozens of images from around the globe where cases went UP after the mask mandates, often drastically.

Where Doc? Interesting that this "study" doesn't point to a single locale where this happened. Not one. Nope, instead because a pulmonologist said it, it must be true riggghhht? Where? Show me. Because every other before and after analysis of any locale around the world shows no impact or virus spread increasing drastically.

@21: I'm calling you out on this: Point me to any locale where it can be shown with data and evidence that cases dropped 4x to 5x after mask wearing. I'll wait.

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5. Now to the "study." I put it in quotes because it is not a study of masks and COVID. What they "studied" is how effective different types of masks were at preventing "DROPLETS" from spreading. Again...aerosols weren't even tested.


How effective at what???

Let's find out! It's stunning....



Wow. You know what this sounds like? The kid next to me at the science fair in high school. "I bet if I put a screen up over an open window fewer bugs will come into my house. Where's my poster board and crayon?"

They even reference how "cheap" this study was (mind you this was Duke ******* university that pulled this stunt folks, plenty of money there):



Then this earth shattering science fair project ended with a recommendation of the "most effective masks and stopping the spread of droplets."

Did they put different types of masks on people, send them into controlled settings, and see over weeks who caught COVID or who didn't? Nope.
Did they look at the data, county by county, across the country where masks were mandated and others weren't? Nope.
Did they test which masks can prevent aerosol spread? Nope.

No sir, this science fair project used "cheap" equipment and measured which pieces of cloth stopped "droplets", a mere portion of the means by which COVID is spread.

Due respect 21, and you may thinking I'm joking, but I HAVE seen more "science" at a high school science fair than this pile of steaming **** they call science.

The entire thing is a farce from the title (infers it tests masks and COVID and does not), to the basis of the study (doesn't even CONSIDER aerosols) to the doctor's bogus claims (cases went down 4-5X) to the study itself (a cheap camera measuring droplet spread).

The kids featured in October Sky won a science fair using 50x more "science" than exists in this Duke study, which is anything but.

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what you left out:

  1. Emma P. Fischer1,
  2. View ORCID ProfileMartin C. Fischer2,3,*,
  3. View ORCID ProfileDavid Grass2,
  4. View ORCID ProfileIsaac Henrion4,
  5. View ORCID ProfileWarren S. Warren2,3,5,6 and
  6. Eric Westman7
  7. 1Department of Psychology & Neuroscience, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
  8. 2Department of Chemistry, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
  9. 3Department of Physics, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
  10. 4Cover Durham, Durham, NC 27701, USA.
  11. 5Department of Radiology, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC 27710, USA.
  12. 6Department of Biomedical Engineering, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
  13. 7Department of Medicine, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC 27710, USA.
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they did the testing and documentation for the physics behind the droplets.

however, that is all they tested - the droplets.

in this study that 21 shaved skin to:
While Dr. Dweik wasn’t involved in the study
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so a group of engineers presented results to a scientist for their test, conducted by them on droplets, without any test criteria for how a virus viruses.

sounds legit and worthy of 21IQ21's attention
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Centuries old Germ Theory of Disease!! What do you stuff in your beak to prevent the spread of COVID? Thyme? Basil? Do you bake a chicken in there while you're at it?

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Centuries old Germ Theory hasn't proven that masks work for the flu even, but the blind followers of ideology believe it stops COVID. I posted a study that showed that masks had NO effect on the Flu Pandemic of 1918.

But Centuries old Germ Theory.... :ROFLMAO: :biggrin-new: :LOL:

Read the studies. You literally have not. You are ignoring them, not reading them, then dismissing them with your bird beak theory of Germ Theory.

Anyway, you said you were gonna grab popcorn and read them. Try it this time and you'll answer your own questions - how was it measured, observed, verified. It's all in there Hypoflog.

I'll give you a few. Dissect these, you know like I did 21's 6th grade science fair project above and get back to us and tell us how what they were measuring and how they observed it and how they verified it.

Your homework:
  1. The Danish Randomized study of 6,000 participants - https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
  2. The February 21 review by the European CDC, specifically their findings on non-medical face masks - https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/de...ovid-19-face-masks-community-first-update.pdf
  3. The July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine - https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
Just go through those 3 Floggy. A man of your worldly brilliance should be able to back up his claims.

Report back.

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You’re kidding right? Recommendations to wear a mask vs not wear a mask. That’s how they knew if and how much mask wearing occurred? Recommendations?

Have you decided to stop covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze? Or is Germ Theory still cool regarding that?
 
Badcat said:
Again, you don't understand what empirical evidence is. Let me give you a hint...(whispers)...It doesn't start with "it's my belief..."
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If you’re following along, I never cited empirical evidence, Tim did.
 
Troglodyte said:
You’re kidding right? Recommendations to wear a mask vs not wear a mask. That’s how they knew if and how much mask wearing occurred? Recommendations?

Have you decided to stop covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze? Or is Germ Theory still cool regarding that?
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Your dear old Washington Compost:

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“The masks worn by millions were useless as designed and could not prevent influenza,” Barry wrote. “Only preventing exposure to the virus could.”
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Much as we have all been telling you and the CoronaBros....masks, as designed today, are useless. Unless you're willing to be professionally fitted with an N95 or better, you're just as safe coughing into your elbow to protect others as you are to wear a cloth or surgical mask.

Keep hanging on Hypoflog! The more the data emerges, the more desperate you become.
 
Troglodyte said:
If you’re following along, I never cited empirical evidence, Tim did.
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Okay, I'll give you that one.

Have a 3rd grader or 21 explain to you how you thereby have zero evidence to support your claims. Here, let me post a visual of you trying to make the argument and the outcome:

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This debate is moot because even if lockdowns and mass hysteria were 100% effective ain't nobody going back there. Even Governor Whitmer who's got cases spiking after some of the strictest lockdowns in the country, is not shutting back down again because she knows...it's not sustainable. People want to live their lives.

What many of us said from the beginning...this virus isn't a serious threat to young healthy people. Protect the weak and elderly. Now many of those at risk are vaccinated so deaths are going down even as cases are rising. There was never gonna be any reduction to near zero or stopping of the spread of this virus. It was a fool's errand to try and it caused a ton of damage for virtually nothing.
 
oneforthebus said:
What many of us said from the beginning...this virus isn't a serious threat to young healthy people. Protect the weak and elderly. Now many of those at risk are vaccinated so deaths are going down even as cases are rising. There was never gonna be any reduction to near zero or stopping of the spread of this virus. It was a fool's errand to try and it caused a ton of damage for virtually nothing.
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Not for nothing, OFTB. Flog made some serious coin, and hoo-boy, traffic was G-R-E-A-T!!
 
CNN executive admits to pimping Covid deaths for ratings, secretly hoped for more Covid deaths cuz ratings.

"COVID? Gangbusters with ratings," Chester said. "Which is why we constantly have the death toll on the side." CNN placed a ticker displaying the total number of coronavirus cases and deaths both in the United States and globally during segments related to the coronavirus pandemic.

Chester admitted to wanting the death toll to be higher in order to increase the network's ratings, although he also expressed that he felt some level of shame for feeling such a desire.

"Let's make it higher, like why isn't it high enough, you know, today? Like it would make our point better if it was higher," Chester said. "And I'm like, what am I f***ing rallying for? That's a problem that we're doing that. You know?"

Explaining why CNN wanted to report a higher coronavirus death toll, Chester said "it's fear. Like, fear really drives numbers," referring to TV ratings. "Fear is the thing that keeps you tuned in.

"If it bleeds, it leads," Chester said with a smirk. "No one ever says those things out loud, but it's obvious."

Chester also admitted that CNN does not deliver unbiased news, stating that doing so would be "impossible."

"There's no such thing as unbiased news. It just doesn't exist. Any reporter on CNN, what they're actually doing is they're telling the person what to say," he said. "It's always like leading them in a direction before they even open their mouths. And the only people we will let on the air, for the most part, are people that have a proven track record of taking the bait."
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thepostmillennial.com

WATCH: Project Veritas busts CNN director admitting network preys on COVID fears to drive ratings

"Let's make it higher, like why isn't it high enough, you know, today? Like it would make our point better if it was higher," Chester said.
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Countdown for 21, Flog, Tibs, jitter to launch into CNN, demand an investigation, demand they be shut down for lying and overt propaganda in 1,000,000,000,000 ... 999,999,999,999 ...
 
oneforthebus said:
This debate is moot because even if lockdowns and mass hysteria were 100% effective ain't nobody going back there. Even Governor Whitmer who's got cases spiking after some of the strictest lockdowns in the country, is not shutting back down again because she knows...it's not sustainable. People want to live their lives.

What many of us said from the beginning...this virus isn't a serious threat to young healthy people. Protect the weak and elderly. Now many of those at risk are vaccinated so deaths are going down even as cases are rising. There was never gonna be any reduction to near zero or stopping of the spread of this virus. It was a fool's errand to try and it caused a ton of damage for virtually nothing.
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The reason behind “shutting down” was largely to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed with Covid patients. Despite rising new cases, Wolfe, Whitner, etc. aren’t going to shut down now because much of the 65+ population is vaccinated and there’s little concern that hospitals will be overwhelmed.
 
Back door mask mandate, superseding gov action.

www.google.com

OSHA Prepares to Issue Emergency Regulations to Protect Workers from COVID-19

Mask mandates are coming down across the country, even as COVID cases are rising in most states. But the Biden administration appears poised to reinstate
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Mask mandates are coming down across the country, even as COVID cases are rising in most states. But the Biden administration appears poised to reinstate masking and other social distancing rules for recalcitrant governors — at least in the workplace. The federal Occupational Safety and Health Administration is preparing to issue new short-term regulations to protect workers from catching COVID-19 on the job, according to lawyers tracking the agency’s efforts.
 
Troglodyte said:
The reason behind “shutting down” was largely to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed with Covid patients. Despite rising new cases, Wolfe, Whitner, etc. aren’t going to shut down now because much of the 65+ population is vaccinated and there’s little concern that hospitals will be overwhelmed.
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This was the case, and KNOWN by summer at the latest. I’d say even by may.
 
Troglodyte said:
The reason behind “shutting down” was largely to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed with Covid patients. Despite rising new cases, Wolfe, Whitner, etc. aren’t going to shut down now because much of the 65+ population is vaccinated and there’s little concern that hospitals will be overwhelmed.
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So what you're saying is we could have achieved exactly what we're achieving now by protecting the 65+ population and letting young healthy people live their lives?

If only someone had thought of that sooner!
 
Troglodyte said:
The reason behind “shutting down” was largely to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed with Covid patients.
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A "fear" bestowed upon the populace that made everyone afraid and never, ever happened. Never.

It's the new mantra. Use fear and "in the name of public safety" to circumvent the Constitution and individual rights to achieve means. Notice how now, Beijing Joe calls gun violence an epidemic - which it is not?

In the name of public safety, and making the population afraid, is the new means by which power is being acquired.
 
oneforthebus said:
So what you're saying is we could have achieved exactly what we're achieving now by protecting the 65+ population and letting young healthy people live their lives?

If only someone had thought of that sooner!
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My unscientific sample from my funeral home is that I've had 13 Covid deaths, all but 2 lived in nursing homes and all but 2 were over 80 years old, the youngest was 74.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
This was the case, and KNOWN by summer at the latest. I’d say even by may.
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Nonsense, since summer there have been areas of the country that had overwhelmed hospitals and refrigerated trucks being used as temporary morgues.
 
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