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The Coronavirus thread

So being critical of the mitigation effort makes it polical? I didn’t even mention Trump, I mentioned the nation.

Yeah, the virus was not made a huge political issue, at all, by ONE party. I never saw political ads from a demented old man, criticizing the guy who oversaw the rapid production of the vaccine you now worship and give Trump no credit for at all, nope, never, would not happen since that would be politicizing the issue.

Right?

Also, I know for a fact you have leveled your all-seeing, all-knowing Flog analytical skills at BOTH parties in this country, for example. Like here:

There are others who failed worse than Trump, like Kristi Noem.

Trump and Kristi Noem! It's not like they are from the same, oh, I don't know, POLITICAL party. Also, I am certain you have Flogellated (D)imbos like Andrew Cuomo and Tom Wolf for their policies that literally KILLED thousands. Let me find those posts ... hold on.

Can't seem to find one ******* syllable by you, ever, critical of any (D)imbo for policies that include killing people and keeping schools closed solely as a bootlicking favor to the teacher's union. Maybe you could help and find your own posts doing so, Floggy?
 
Fine. Assuming vaccinated people absolutely cannot spread the virus. It’s all the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?

the ONLY goddamned reason I got vaccinated was so I could lower my chances of spreading it to elderly relatives I intend to see next month.

I did get the vaccine not at the suggestion of anyone here, nor from the words Fauci spoke and continues to speak. I got it only at the request of family ---- ALREADY vaccinated ---- so they would feel better. I did so at my own goddamned peril in the future, at which time my elderly family will be long gone. I did so while not knowing the risks of this vaccine 5-10-20 years into the future.

I can assure you that I do understand that the vaccine is not a cure-all fail-safe to contracting and spreading the virus. If it was, then Fauci wouldn't be saying what he is saying. And what he is saying is why others have not gotten the vaccine. WHY get a vaccine that is rushed to the market, incorporates mRNA when no other vaccine - ever - has made it to the market using this, and then also being told that you can still get the Rona and still spread the Rona? Of course, then it adds a conspiracy theory element to it. I don't believe in the conspiracy element ("the gubmint gonna use it to track you", "the gubmint gonna make you a zombie", etc) as those are pretty unhinged when you delve into them. I also refuse to believe that President Peepads Xiden and Vice Whoresident Kneepads were injected with anything other than saline. Why? Because it makes zero sense to inject the leaders of the strongest country in the world with an unproven, unknown vaccine when they have the absolute best healthcare available in the entire world. They're also shielded from the American public, do not congregate in large groups, and have likely had their staff vaccinated.

"Ah, but you just said that being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting it nor spreading it, so why should the President and Vice President feel safe," you might want to twist and ask me. To which, I'll ask you the same question.

In the link from the NYTimes journalist who tried to cut into the heart of how the Rona came to be, he pushed aside political leanings. He used facts, dates, times, filed paperwork and more facts to pinpoint what happened. I do not believe that releasing the KungFlu onto the world was nefarious, since it's IS easily defeated. If it were intentional, the virus would have been more deadly. I do believe that the virus was an accidental release and there was a massive cover-up that involved the scientists who worked in the lab, the administrators of the lab, the Chinese government, the Americans who provided funding to the lab, and a segment of our politicians who looked the other way.

While you, Tibs and 21IQ21 want to screech "wear masks" from inside your self-inflated bubbles, others are looking at how to prevent this from happening again. In doing so, you simply HAVE to follow the chain of command backwards to discover how this happened - then and only then can you point the finger of blame at those involved.

15 months later and we still do not have an "official" definition of how this occurred. Natural? not likely. Man-made? Seems the evidence points to it. Who's involved? Now you're getting to the brass tacks.

I know this word salad was entirely too much for you to digest at once, and even if you read all of it you still won't have any rational response.
 
Fine. Assuming vaccinated people absolutely cannot spread the virus. It’s all the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?
I'm absolutely fine with people being vaccinated, I had my second dose 6 weeks ago, but I did so because I'm in that vulnerable group that could have a bad outcome if I contracted the virus. Am I immune, probably, but who knows for sure, only time will tell. What I do know is that viruses don't disappear, and everyone should make a personal decision on what they feel is best for them. I think it's insane that there's now a push to vaccinate 5 year old's to protect grandma, even though grandma is already vaccinated.
 
In the link from the NYTimes journalist who tried to cut into the heart of how the Rona came to be, he pushed aside political leanings. He used facts, dates, times, filed paperwork and more facts to pinpoint what happened. I do not believe that releasing the KungFlu onto the world was nefarious, since it's IS easily defeated. If it were intentional, the virus would have been more deadly.

I am not aware of anyone who believes that the gain-of-function research on the bat viruses was done to unleash a plague on the world. However, when noting correctly that the SARS-CoV2 virus - though highly contagious - has a vastly too low mortality rate to be a viable biological weapon, I respond that the virus was accidentally released. Meaning, the one released could well be version 2.0, while the scientists are aiming for version 10.0.

I do believe that the virus was an accidental release and there was a massive cover-up that involved the scientists who worked in the lab, the administrators of the lab, the Chinese government, the Americans who provided funding to the lab, and a segment of our politicians who looked the other way.

Nooo ... why would you say that? Just because scientific evidence, opinions from some of the best virologists in the world, a variety of odd features about the SARS-CoV2, the documented research going on in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the fact that the virus appeared next door to the WIV and nowhere else though it is supposedly "natural," the fact the "wet market" theory has literally not one whit of evidence in support, and the fact that when those in charge royally **** up and kill people, they inevitably, invariably lie, scheme, cover up, lie about their lies, defame those telling the truth?

I mean, that is hardly convincing.

Now the theory that this virus is present in Yunnan bats about 800 miles from Wuhan, though in a different form not transmissible to humans, that the virus mutated so it could infect other species, including humans, but miraculously nobody in Yunnan province got the disease, the disease somehow magically become infectious to humans via a furin cleavage not found in nature, that the mutated virus somehow infected an intermediate host (remember the pangolin theory?) that nobody has ever discovered even today, that though the disease is supposedly natural nobody outside Wuhan caught the natural disease and its entire transmission can be traced to that one city ...

Now THAT theory makes sense.

15 months later and we still do not have an "official" definition of how this occurred. Natural? not likely. Man-made? Seems the evidence points to it. Who's involved? Now you're getting to the brass tacks.

But the Chinese government has been so transparent and cooperative. I mean, it's not like the doctors at the WIV have disappeared, like they suppressed research papers about the disease coming from a lab, refused to allow investigators into Wuhan until many, many months after the disease magically appeared in a form never before seen, refused access to the records about the research, punished their own medical experts who pointed out that the disease seems man-made.

I mean, if they had done that, then yeah, I would be on board with the made-in-the-lab theory.

I know this word salad was entirely too much for you to digest at once, and even if you read all of it you still won't have any rational response.

Let me prepare a Flog-based version of world events and the SARS-CoV2:

Chyna good, orange man bad.
 
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The math is that masks didn't stop in the spread in any meaningful way and probably causes more cases because of the type and manner in which they were and are used. Stats and research say lockdowns did not work but you ignore those in favor of political virtue signaling. Aside from a total and complete shutdown of travel before it started vaccines and herd immunity were and are the only method of ending this.
No, SDs stats clearly suggests that the lack of a mask mandate and restrictions resulted in very high case and death rates in one of the least densely populated states in the country. Nobody has provided an explanation for what is an extraordinary anomaly if preventative measures didn’t work.
 
Once again, for the 10,732nd time, you deflect.

Answer my questions. What did other countries do that we didn't that was so amazing, and what should we have done that we didn't?

Not just your words, support it with evidence. Don't just make statements like "look at South Korea, they did it right." Show us evidence, links, data that supports your claims.
You have a lot more time on your hands, Tim. Support your argument that South Korea did nothing differently and their 100k cases and 2,000 deaths (or whatever) are mere happenstance, or they are healthier and so it was somehow less contagious there, or whatever.
 
What's funny is they failed bigly. A bio weapon with a 99.97% survival rate. Job well done! Morons.
They made the virus for fear and power. They knew who it would kill and not kill by percentages.
 
No, SDs stats clearly suggests that the lack of a mask mandate and restrictions resulted in very high case and death rates in one of the least densely populated states in the country. Nobody has provided an explanation for what is an extraordinary anomaly if preventative measures didn’t work.

You once again flip to an outlier. If masking and preventive measures work, simply explain why the 36 states with these measures by and large lead the country in cases, deaths, etc.

Just focus on NJ, NY, MA and RI if you want. They lead the nation in deaths/1Million population. They have some of the most stringent preventive measures.

If they worked, well...they would work right?
 
You have a lot more time on your hands, Tim. Support your argument that South Korea did nothing differently and their 100k cases and 2,000 deaths (or whatever) are mere happenstance, or they are healthier and so it was somehow less contagious there, or whatever.

Once again, for the 10,733rd time, you deflect.

Answer my questions. What did other countries do that we didn't that was so amazing, and what should we have done that we didn't?

Not just your words, support it with evidence. Don't just make statements like "look at South Korea, they did it right." Show us evidence, links, data that supports your claims.
 
ABC told us that Florida was a COVID disaster. Just an update as of today on Florida's status

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You have a lot more time on your hands, Tim. Support your argument ....

How about you support your argument that cloth masks among civilians reduce the spread of SARS-CoV2?

Go ahead. I'll wait.

After that, provide some medical data showing that Trump failed to do [x], leading to [y] additional SARS-CoV2 cases.

Once again, I'll wait.
 
How about you support your argument that cloth masks among civilians reduce the spread of SARS-CoV2?

Go ahead. I'll wait.

After that, provide some medical data showing that Trump failed to do [x], leading to [y] additional SARS-CoV2 cases.

Once again, I'll wait.

You'll wait until....


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None of the resident Liberals do anything but make statements. Per the article, they are emotional. They parrot what they hear. They do no research.

Flog ain't supporting ****, just spreading disinformation.
 
No, SDs stats clearly suggests that the lack of a mask mandate and restrictions resulted in very high case and death rates in one of the least densely populated states in the country. Nobody has provided an explanation for what is an extraordinary anomaly if preventative measures didn’t work.
No they don’t. The States with mask mandates are doing worse than the States with them. The only measure able impact on he spread has trended with seasonal weather.
 
You have a lot more time on your hands, Tim. Support your argument that South Korea did nothing differently and their 100k cases and 2,000 deaths (or whatever) are mere happenstance, or they are healthier and so it was somehow less contagious there, or whatever.
he did that the first time about 37 pages ago. then again 4 pages later. and again 3 pages after that. once more 2 pages later. then the following page. and again...

why don't YOU read some of the stuff others post instead of rushing to reply?
 
More data about the unassailable credibility of our leading health experts and SARS-CoV2, a.k.a., the Chinese flu:

‘A huge exaggeration'

When the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new guidelines last month for mask wearing, it announced that “less than 10 percent” of Covid-19 transmission was occurring outdoors. Media organizations repeated the statistic, and it quickly became a standard description of the frequency of outdoor transmission.But the number is almost certainly misleading.It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of C.D.C. officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.

That benchmark “seems to be a huge exaggeration,” as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0.1 percent, multiple epidemiologists told me. The rare outdoor transmission that has happened almost all seems to have involved crowded places or close conversation.

Saying that less than 10 percent of Covid transmission occurs outdoors is akin to saying that sharks attack fewer than 20,000 swimmers a year. (The actual worldwide number is around 150.) It’s both true and deceiving. ... There is not a single documented Covid infection anywhere in the world from casual outdoor interactions, such as walking past someone on a street or eating at a nearby table.


******* right-wing New York Times. Repeating Trumpist talking points, like "The CDC is spewing nonsense about the Chinese flu." Thank GOD the CDC stepped in with their compelling data, leading to parents not having their kids play outdoor and get exercise, or having public gatherings outdoors to celebrate and make people feel good about life, or having people exercise, jog, walk, bicycle, etc. because of the one in a million chance they could get the Chinese flu while outdoors.

Because things like obesity and depression are, thank God, complete non-issues in modern day America. I mean, just look at incredibly fit leaders like Stacy "Delusional" Abrams and Hillary "Shower Curtain" Clinton for inspiration!
 
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ABC told us that Florida was a COVID disaster. Just an update as of today on Florida's status

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to update those in the back, the dark orange in the bottom right is Miami. It's where college-aged Spring Breakers go. OH, But the Center!!! That's dark orange, tOo!

that's Orlando. Home of all the amusement parks. To the left of that is Hillsborough County. Home of Busch Gardens.
Family spring break areas.

you're welcome.

now, back to OrangeManBad and the KungFlu!
 
he did that the first time about 37 pages ago. then again 4 pages later. and again 3 pages after that. once more 2 pages later. then the following page. and again...

why don't YOU read some of the stuff others post instead of rushing to reply?

Flog, 21IQ and Stacy Decaf are among those who think Hillary Clinton is honest, Stacy Abrams is attractive, Joe Xiden is mentally competent, and Bill Clinton is good for women.

That's pretty much all you need to know about them.
 
More data about the unassailable credibility of our leading health experts and SARS-CoV2, a.k.a., the Chinese flu:




******* right-wing New York Times. Repeating Trumpist talking points, like "The CDC is spewing nonsense about the Chinese flu." Thank GOD the CDC stepped in with their compelling data, leading to parents not having their kids play outdoor and get exercise, or having public gatherings outdoors to celebrate and make people feel good about life, or having people exercise, jog, walk, bicycle, etc. because of the one in a million chance they could get the Chinese flu while outdoors.

Because things like obesity and depression are, thank God, complete non-issues in modern day America. I mean, just look at incredibly fit leaders like Stacy "Delusional" Abrams and Hillary "Shower Curtain" Clinton for inspiration!
excuse you, counselor, but Stacey Abrams is a supermodel.

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excuse you, counselor, but Stacey Abrams is a supermodel.

stacey-abrams-obese.jpg

Stacy Abrams is in fact representative of one of the instructions I give billing clerks ... "Make sure to have one copy of the bill for the client, one for me, and one for the file."

You know, three bills.
 
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You have a lot more time on your hands, Tim.

No, he's just a hard worker who backs up his claims with facts and research. He's a busy professional with a large family, he just multi-tasks and knows how to hand your freeloading *** to you on a regular basis.
 
No, he's just a hard worker who backs up his claims with facts and research. He's a busy professional with a large family, he just multi-tasks and knows how to hand your freeloading *** to you on a regular basis.

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excuse you, counselor, but Stacey Abrams is a supermodel.

stacey-abrams-obese.jpg

I've always wondered, and in all seriousness....when you be that big, how your hand get around to wipe ya own ***? It must take gymnastic feats.
 
Stacy Abrams is in fact representative to one of the instructions I give billing clerks ... "Make sure to have one copy of the bill for the client, one for me, and one for the file."

You know, three bills.

I've always wondered, and in all seriousness....when you be that big, how your hand get around to wipe ya own ***? It must take gymnastic feats.
who said she wipes? i'm an unfortunate acquaintance with someone borned and bred and bred and bred in Arkinsaw who swears that letting it dry and flake off is a preferred method of hygiene.
 
who said she wipes? i'm an unfortunate acquaintance with someone borned and bred and bred and bred in Arkinsaw who swears that letting it dry and flake off is a preferred method of hygiene.

I'm sorry you know Ark
 
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