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The Coronavirus thread

You have so much time on your hands!

Brilliant response. Genius. I analyze literally every claim you present, prove them false, prove you a liar, and your response is, "Waaah, that's too detailed."

Idiot, I was mocking the various arguments downplaying the seriousness of Covid over the past 14 months. I sure as hell wasn’t going to verify that my mockery of the nonsense was verbatim.

So what you posted is pure bullshit, a point you admit only after I go through every claim you made and prove them to be lies.

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Hey idiot, they cannot spread it to those who have the ******* vaccine, so again, they are risking only themselves.

What the **** do you care?



I'm still busy reading the mountain of data that the information on Biden's laptap is "Russian disinformation."

Remember that, you imbecile?

Run along and get the adults some coffee.
Yes they can. It’s also possible that vaccinated people might be able spread Covid. There are implications and reasons to get the vaccine beyond personal protection. You and Ron Johnson don’t get that. Seems you also don’t understand what a vaccine does and doesn’t do.
 
Yes they can. It’s also possible that vaccinated people might be able spread Covid. There are implications and reasons to get the vaccine beyond personal protection. You and Ron Johnson don’t get that. Seems you also don’t understand what a vaccine does and doesn’t do.
I might win the lottery, and have as much substantiated evidence in my statement as you do in yours.
 
Alas, as we have all known, all along, it's been nothing but political for you, Tibs and the rest of the crazy AltLeft world. They have told you to hate for 4 years, and by God that's what all you lemmings have done.

Was our response perfect? Nope. Dare I say we have never had a perfect response to a disease, natural disaster, or war-time situation ever.

But your side made it political and you all drank the **** up. No different than your media having you all believe that George W. literally created Hurricane Katrina, had it delivered to New Orleans and he intentionally killed Americans. That's what they said, LITERALLY.

It just got nastier a decade later and they told you Trump killed Americans with COVID. The fact ya'll believe that just highlights your collective stupidity.

It's been hashed out here so many times, you didn't listen then, you won't now, but I'll repeat it for posterity sake.

Trump shut down travel from China, while Democrats mocked him for the decision and called him a xenophobe.
Trump followed every directive Fauci and Birx and others suggested he do. Every one.
Trump mobilized the greatest response we have seen to an epidemic or pandemic in history. Period.
Trump enabled the most rapid development of vaccines known to mankind.
Trump ramped up and enabled massive testing in such short time it was frankly astounding.

He did so by being ingenious. He knows the Federal Government couldn't get it done alone. Hell the Government hasn't been able to make Amtrak profitable - EVER. Look at the USPS as another example. If we had waited on the FDA and other Government agencies to react, we'd still be waiting. What he did was to mobilize the commercial sector. He brought in corporations and asked them to change what they were doing, roll up their sleeves in a time of national emergency and re-tool to attack the pandemic. He had Walgreens and Walmart doing testing before we knew it. He had GM manufacturing ventilators (which we never needed). He had thousands of companies do things like switch their core manufacturing to areas like manufacturing PPE.

He invoked the Defense Production Act 59 times to bypass Government largesse and bureaucracy to get things done.

And he did. It really was March of 2020 when the **** hit the fan. By December, he and his machine he built had vaccines being administered to Americans.

We had contact tracing going by summer. I know, because it was being done in my state at that point.

I'm not sure what else you would have had a leader do, to be honest.

You continue to obfuscate the facts because Orange Man bad. The reality is, he did a hell of a job.

Now you'll come along and point to other countries and how they fared so much better. And we've been round and round that mulberry bush. I'll ask you to explain how, you'll deflect, offer no evidence at all of what these countries did, and say things like bubble and cuckoo's nest bullshit responses.

By and large - and the scientific community has already spoken on this, I've presented their findings - the #1 indicator of how countries fared with deaths due to COVID was the country's general overall health. Ours sucks, we got hit hard.

Even 3rd world countries fared better because they aren't fat and diabetic.

You won't agree. So I'll ask you again. Please explain what other countries did so much better (provide links) and bestow upon us all what you think should have been done in addition to the amazing work that was done.
So being critical of the mitigation effort makes it polical? I didn’t even mention Trump, I mentioned the nation. There are others who failed worse than Trump, like Kristi Noem. And it wasn’t just elected officials, many US citizens weren’t having it.
 
So being critical of the mitigation effort makes it polical? I didn’t even mention Trump, I mentioned the nation. There are others who failed worse than Trump, like Kristi Noem. And it wasn’t just elected officials, many US citizens weren’t having it.
Noem did not fail at all. She did the right thing according science. You just fail to acknowledge that science. The only thing that could have stopped this was a total shutdown of travel in late October or early November 2019 or maybe earlier period. Democrats would have never gone for that. Everything else, lockdowns, masks are all total bunk. And thanks to lies from the Chinese Government and the WHO we did not have the information as early as we could have.
 
So getting the vaccine means you can still get the Chinese flu and spread the Chinese flu.

Conclusion: Get the vaccine!
Possibly. And yes, get vaccinated. If nothing else, it reduces the chance you’ll become symptomatic by 90% and if you do become symptomatic, it reduces the chance that you’ll need hospitalization even more.

Think of it this way if it helps: We all need to keep it a secret from our controlling, liberty-depriving government officials that Covid is actually still out there!
 
Noem did not fail at all. She did the right thing according science. You just fail to acknowledge that science. The only thing that could have stopped this was a total shutdown of travel in late October or early November 2019 or maybe earlier period. Democrats would have never gone for that. Everything else, lockdowns, masks are all total bunk. And thanks to lies from the Chinese Government and the WHO we did not have the information as early as we could have.
So the rest of the US should have strived to have SDs Covid case and death rates? Show your math!
 
Ouch. Good luck with post #12,425, Trollodyte.
 
Possibly. And yes, get vaccinated. If nothing else, it reduces the chance you’ll become symptomatic by 90% and if you do become symptomatic, it reduces the chance that you’ll need hospitalization even more.

Think of it this way if it helps: We all need to keep it a secret from our controlling, liberty-depriving government officials that Covid is actually still out there!
You know I mostly agree with you on the vaccines but you make up for by being so extraordinarily obtuse on everything else, it is hard to say something that supports you.
 
I might win the lottery, and have as much substantiated evidence in my statement as you do in yours.
Fine. Assuming vaccinated people absolutely cannot spread the virus. It’s all the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?
 
So the rest of the US should have strived to have SDs Covid case and death rates? Show your math!
The math is that masks didn't stop in the spread in any meaningful way and probably causes more cases because of the type and manner in which they were and are used. Stats and research say lockdowns did not work but you ignore those in favor of political virtue signaling. Aside from a total and complete shutdown of travel before it started vaccines and herd immunity were and are the only method of ending this.
 
So being critical of the mitigation effort makes it polical? I didn’t even mention Trump, I mentioned the nation. There are others who failed worse than Trump, like Kristi Noem. And it wasn’t just elected officials, many US citizens weren’t having it.

Once again, for the 10,732nd time, you deflect.

Answer my questions. What did other countries do that we didn't that was so amazing, and what should we have done that we didn't?

Not just your words, support it with evidence. Don't just make statements like "look at South Korea, they did it right." Show us evidence, links, data that supports your claims.
 
Fine. Assuming vaccinated people absolutely cannot spread the virus. It’s all the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?

Sure. Those who have had the disease and recovered or received the vaccine are immune. That's the whole point of the vaccine. Its only point, in fact.

And why I keep asking for an explanation for those who are vaccinated yet obsessed with whether or not others are also vaccinated. "So we can open up!"

Okay. First, those in charge have to admit that getting the vaccine means all the other stupid **** that does not work - cloth masks, 6' distancing - no longer applies to them. Instead, they keep telling us to get the vaccine and then social distance and wear a mask.

Do you get it now?
 
A reposting since Flog and Stacy Decaf apparently failed to read the information. I mean, they certainly failed to give a single substantive response to it, so I presume they failed to read the post or the links, as otherwise they would simply be engaging in propaganda as to the origins of the virus. Kinda like CCP mouthpieces.

So I previously noted in my post about the origins of the Chinese flu that the manner in which the virus replicates and its infectivity rate are unique among the SARS viruses, since the Chinese flu variety has a furin cleavage at a location that is well-suited to bring about transmission and contagion. That furin cleavage - the place where the virus splits and releases RNA into the cytoplasm for replication - contained in the SARS-CoV2 virus is unique among all SARS viruses.

Abstract:
Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)-a new coronavirus that has led to a worldwide pandemic1-has a furin cleavage site (PRRAR) in its spike protein that is absent in other group-2B coronaviruses2

Loss of furin cleavage site attenuates SARS-CoV-2 pathogenesis - PubMed

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)-a new coronavirus that has led to a worldwide pandemic<sup>1</sup>-has a furin cleavage site (PRRAR) in its spike protein that is absent in other group-2B coronaviruses<sup>2</sup>. To explore whether the furin cleavage site...

The unique location of the furin cleavage in the SARS-CoV2 makes it virulently transmissible, much more so than the prior SARS virus.

Abstract: SARS-CoV-2 has resulted in a global pandemic and shutdown economies around the world. Sequence analysis indicates that the novel coronavirus (CoV) has an insertion of a furin cleavage site (PRRAR) in its spike protein. Absent in other group 2B CoVs, the insertion may be a key factor in the replication and virulence of SARS-CoV-2.

Furin Cleavage Site Is Key to SARS-CoV-2 Pathogenesis - PubMed


A deletion of the furin cleavage site in SARS-CoV-2 amplifies replication in Vero cells, but attenuates replication in respiratory cells and pathogenesis in vivo. Loss of the furin site also reduces susceptibility to neutralization <i>in vitro</i>

The location of the furin cleavage in the SARS-CoV2 is consistent with one specifically engineered by biogeneticists in a lab.

And late in the month, a professor at National Taiwan University, Fang Chi-tai, gave a lecture on the coronavirus in which he described the anomalous R-R-A-R furin cleavage site. The virus was “unlikely to have four amino acids added all at once,” Fang said — natural mutations were smaller and more haphazard, he argued. “From an academic point of view, it is indeed possible that the amino acids were added to COVID-19 in the lab by humans.” When the Taiwan News published an article about Fang’s talk, Fang disavowed his own comments, and the video copy of the talk disappeared from the website of the Taiwan Public Health Association. “It has been taken down for a certain reason,” the association explained. “Thank you for your understanding.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

I urge Flog and Stacy Decaf to read the article from the Intelligencer. If you think it is some outlier right-wing blog, then you obviously failed to read it. The author is a well-known liberal scientist, the article is incredibly balanced and well-sourced. The article points out that the SARS-CoV2 virus has not mutated at all in more than a year, which is completely at odds with natural pathogens. This image compares the variations/mutations of the SARS-CoV2 with other SARS viruses:

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Huh. Once again, consistent with a man-made organism. Also, Chinese researchers admitted that after shutting down the Wuhan wet market and examining every protein at the location, they could not find the SARS-CoV2 virus in any creature.

Gao Fu has admitted no viruses were detected in animal samples. He said they were found only in environmental samples, including sewage.

The Wuhan wet market was a ‘victim’ of coronavirus rather than the cause, according to the Chinese Centre of Disease Control and Prevention.

Genetic evidence has confirmed that the virus originated in Chinese bats before it jumped to humans via an 'intermediary animal', but the exact location of the transition is unknown.

Chinese authorities previously said the first cases of the virus emerged at a local seafood market in Wuhan.

But a study of the animals being sold there rules this theory out, after all samples of the animals in the market tested negative for COVID-19, meaning they could not have infected shoppers.

'It now turns out that the market is one of the victims,' Gao Fu, the director of the Chinese CDC, told Chinese state media in a radio interview yesterday.


So the virus' furin cleavage is unique, its lack of variation is unique, it is inherently transmissible using a furin cleavage not found in any other SARS virus, researchers found no evidence of the virus in the wet market, and the disease originated in a city that has a BSL-4 lab that has been noted to be so unsafe that United States scientists issued a warning about the lab in 2018.

I cite data. Research papers. Credible authors.

Stacy Decaf, do you have anything of substance to provide in response? Feel free to post a stupid meme and further prove that you are a bloated, stupid imbecile with nothing to add.
 
Once again, for the 10,732nd time, you deflect. Answer my questions. What did other countries do that we didn't that was so amazing, and what should we have done that we didn't?

Look at North Korea, and upper Ethiopa.

Solution: starve the population.

/s Flog and Stacy Decaf
 
Portions of a good article in the Federalist about "pandemic junkies."

Lockdowns Have Spawned A New Addict: The Pandemic Junkie

Anti-viral considerations of common sense shouldn't lead us to become a society of permanently masked, fearful, and paranoid loners.

By Nathanael Blake
May 10, 2021

Even though vaccines essentially mean victory over COVID-19, some pandemic junkies just can’t quit the lockdown lifestyle. Exhibit A: Vice President Kamala Harris and her husband were recently photographed exchanged a masked-up goodbye kiss, outdoors, and despite both of them being fully vaccinated. Similar examples abound, such as President Biden masking up for a videoconference. The justifications for such behavior — “they were setting an example” or “other people were around” — frankly, only make matters worse. These displays are nonsensical as public health measures, and insofar as these excesses encourage the skeptical to believe that it is all a farce, instead of encouraging responsible mask-wearing, they discourage it.

These displays, which are far beyond any science-based recommendations, also weaken the essential public health messages encouraging people to get vaccinated. After all, if vaccines don’t allow a return to normal life — including kisses with actual physical contact — what is the point of them?

As vaccines are being doled out, there are reasonable discussions and disagreements to be had over how to handle this final stretch of the pandemic in the United States. What we cannot allow is for our policies to be driven by pandemic junkies who are determined to keep getting their fix of fear and fake virtue.

 
I've moved on from the mask nonsense. Done with it.

And I've been saying this from about month one. This is a lab baby from China. It's been engineered as a bio weapon.
Is that the same lab in Wuhan that partnered with an American university ( Duke sucks) and was funded by the US government.......until both fled the China lab in 2015?
 
I've moved on from the mask nonsense. Done with it.

And I've been saying this from about month one. This is a lab baby from China. It's been engineered as a bio weapon.
What's funny is they failed bigly. A bio weapon with a 99.97% survival rate. Job well done! Morons.
 
What's funny is they failed bigly. A bio weapon with a 99.97% survival rate. Job well done! Morons.

I'd say they ****** up the world pretty good. Just look at it here. It destroyed our economy, got some leftist puppet installed with dementia, ****** our elections up probably permanently. Killed probably 350,000 legitimately here. The whole population is getting stuck with some mystery vaccine and we're still wearing masks.

This country was totally killing it and China was going to get spanked by us in a big way. We had become completely energy independent and now that's going bye bye because of the Imposter In Chief who is the communists best friend.


They don't want to wipe out the world, they only want to be the single dominant super power.

Their actions in Wuhan after releasing the virus give them away accident or not.
 
What's funny is they failed bigly. A bio weapon with a 99.97% survival rate. Job well done! Morons.
Unless the virus was developed as a way to transmit other agents that could be more lethal. This virus may have simply been the beginning of a test for transmissibility. Without an actual and thorough investigation, we will never know.
 
Unless the virus was developed as a way to transmit other agents that could be more lethal. This virus may have simply been the beginning of a test for transmissibility. Without an actual and thorough investigation, we will never know.
Perhaps the vaccines are designed to turn everyone into zombies by October. J/K. Maybe...
 
I'd say they ****** up the world pretty good. Just look at it here. It destroyed our economy, got some leftist puppet installed with dementia, ****** our elections up probably permanently. Killed probably 350,000 legitimately here. The whole population is getting stuck with some mystery vaccine and we're still wearing masks.

This country was totally killing it and China was going to get spanked by us in a big way. We had become completely energy independent and now that's going bye bye because of the Imposter In Chief who is the communists best friend.


They don't want to wipe out the world, they only want to be the single dominant super power.

Their actions in Wuhan after releasing the virus give them away accident or not.

Good point.
 
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