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The Coronavirus thread

We can go tit-for-tat on this forever. The important thing is vaccinations were ramped-up and delivered at a required level - and on a massive scale - in a short amount of time.

Praise President Trump if you want. Or praise President Biden. Praise both of them. The US got ahead of the curve on this, which is great news.
 
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Flog and Decaf "consulting" about Covid:

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Flog and Decaf "consulting" about Covid:

The nurses still let you on the computer? Don't they know any better? From your post it looks like you haven't gotten your shot from Nurse Ratched yet. That's probably when they come to wheel you back to your room. Alright then, keep typing away, I guess it does help kill time.
 
We can go tit-for-tat forever on this. The important thing is vaccinations were ramped-up and delivered to a required level in a short amount of time.

Praise President Trump if you want. Or praise President Biden. Praise both of them. The US got ahead of the curve on this, which is great news.
It's not tit for tat, it's truth vs. BS.

Why don't you praise President Trump? And Vice President Pence? If they had listened to the doubters like Biden and Harris we'd still be years away from having a large segment of the population vaccinated. If you can give me anything concrete and positive Joe Biden has done I'll be happy to praise him for it.
 
If you can give me anything concrete and positive Joe Biden has done I'll be happy to praise him for it.

Not much, I guess. Under Biden, an average of 2,9M doses were administered per day and the US hit 200M vaccinations in under 100 days. And Biden - along with Democrats - signed into law the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package to help the country cope with the crisis.
 
Decaf, isn't it 2:00 a.m. where you live? Jesus, go to bed. What idiot would be arguing on a message board at 2:00 a.m.?

You find me posting **** on this board at 2:00 a.m., go ahead and call that ******* nurse. I suspect she has somebody needing her attention more.
 
Not much, I guess. Under Biden, an average of 2,9M doses were administered per day and the US hit 200M vaccinations in under 100 days. And Biden - along with Democrats - signed into law the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package to help the country cope with the crisis.
You keep saying "under Biden". What did he do exactly? Rolled out mass vaccinations centers that no one went to. Anything else? Oh yeah I know he's really good at signing huge spending bills and handing out free money. Which is handing us massive inflation and a shortage of workers.
 
What did he do exactly? Rolled out mass vaccinations centers that no one went to.

Please check this and correct yourself before continuing. Wildy inaccurate statements such as this are insulting.

The large, easily-accessible vaccination centers are now being wound down, after months of full-scale operations. I know because my son worked at two of the major centers in Austin, TX. To claim 'no one' went to these vaccination facilities is point blank false. They were packed and operating efficiently when they were fully operational.

With demand for vaccinations dwindling down, the centers have served their purpose, hence the transition to smaller locations such as pharmacies.
 
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Never give up Tim, trying to give disgraced former guy all the credit for what's happening now.

I'm sure former guy appreciates your undying adulation. You've remained loyal through thick and thin, that's quite an achievement. Maybe he'll hire you to mow the grass on his golf courses down in Mar-a-Lago or in Bedminster. (y)

I deal in realities. Bejing Joe can directly be credited for the increase in kids in cages. For $6Trillion in spending. For our inflation. For lots of things. He cannot take 100% credit for the vaccines.

I'll make an analogy. Trump designed an airplane. He coordinated the top minds and industries to build the plane, including sourcing the materials and the production. Hell, he test flew the plane in November, and began carrying passengers in the plane in December....

Joe became pilot in January.

Joe is just taking credit for all of it. It's bullshit. You know it's bullshit. But you live in a dystopian reality, so.
 
Please check this and correct yourself before continuing. Wildy inaccurate statements such as this are insulting.

The large, easily-accessible vaccination centers are now being wound down, after months of full-scale operations. I know because my son works at two of the major centers in Austin, TX. To claim 'no one' went to these vaccination facilities is point blank false. They were packed and operating efficiently when they were fully operational.

With demand for vaccination dwindling down, the centers have served their purpose, hence the transition to smaller locations such as pharmacies.

Bullshit they were. OFTB just gave you stats. Prove your claim or STFU. Your son's anecdotal opinion is pointless.

67K shots per day from the FEMA centers, 1Million from pharmacies and other locations. His distribution plan failed Tibs. Blinders on Komrade.
 
And Biden - along with Democrats - signed into law the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package to help the country cope with the crisis.

What a massive victory!!!!!!! 7% of that bill went to relief

SEVEN PERCENT

WHAT YA OUGHTA BE DOING IS DERIDING THEM FOR ONCE AGAIN FLEECING AMERICA
 
Please check this and correct yourself before continuing. Wildy inaccurate statements such as this are insulting.

The large, easily-accessible vaccination centers are now being wound down, after months of full-scale operations. I know because my son worked at two of the major centers in Austin, TX. To claim 'no one' went to these vaccination facilities is point blank false. They were packed and operating efficiently when they were fully operational.

With demand for vaccinations dwindling down, the centers have served their purpose, hence the transition to smaller locations such as pharmacies.
ONCE AGAIN, the article I posted titled

Biden admin remakes vaccine strategy after mass vaccination sites fizzle​

was written in March.

'The vaccination hubs, which are run by FEMA and staffed in part by National Guard troops and other Pentagon personnel, have administered just 1.7 million doses since the beginning of February. Over the last two weeks, the sites gave about 67,000 shots a day, according to a series of internal FEMA briefing documents and data sets obtained by POLITICO. That’s roughly 2.5 percent of all doses administered nationwide during the same period, according to data published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
By comparison, the federal retail pharmacy program reported March 11 it had administered nearly 1 million doses over a single day. Over the course of the next four days, the program’s pharmacies administered more than 5 million more doses, according to the federal vaccination data obtained by POLITICO.

“It’s clear that Americans feel comfortable relying on their local pharmacies for the vaccine,” said one senior Biden health official. “The retail pharmacy program will keep growing and I think you will begin to see more people going down the block to CVS to get the shot than driving maybe an hour to the federal sites to get it.” '

So your assertion that they are just winding down after their rip roaring success is completely bogus. "No one" was hyperbole which you knew, but in terms of percentages it was very, very few. The private retail pharmacy plan put in place by the Trump administration has and continues to administer the vast majority of vaccines. Vaccines that WOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED if not for Operation Warp Speed and the Trump administration.

As you know I'm no great fan of Trump for a variety of other reasons but to try and claim that Biden shares anything more than a tiny fraction of the credit for where we are right now is just partisan bullshit. Critical thinking Tibs. Try it some time.
 
ONCE AGAIN, the article I posted titled

Biden admin remakes vaccine strategy after mass vaccination sites fizzle​

was written in March.

'The vaccination hubs, which are run by FEMA and staffed in part by National Guard troops and other Pentagon personnel, have administered just 1.7 million doses since the beginning of February. Over the last two weeks, the sites gave about 67,000 shots a day, according to a series of internal FEMA briefing documents and data sets obtained by POLITICO. That’s roughly 2.5 percent of all doses administered nationwide during the same period, according to data published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
By comparison, the federal retail pharmacy program reported March 11 it had administered nearly 1 million doses over a single day. Over the course of the next four days, the program’s pharmacies administered more than 5 million more doses, according to the federal vaccination data obtained by POLITICO.

“It’s clear that Americans feel comfortable relying on their local pharmacies for the vaccine,” said one senior Biden health official. “The retail pharmacy program will keep growing and I think you will begin to see more people going down the block to CVS to get the shot than driving maybe an hour to the federal sites to get it.” '

So your assertion that they are just winding down after their rip roaring success is completely bogus. "No one" was hyperbole which you knew, but in terms of percentages it was very, very few. The private retail pharmacy plan put in place by the Trump administration has and continues to administer the vast majority of vaccines. Vaccines that WOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED if not for Operation Warp Speed and the Trump administration.

As you know I'm no great fan of Trump for a variety of other reasons but to try and claim that Biden shares anything more than a tiny fraction of the credit for where we are right now is just partisan bullshit. Critical thinking Tibs. Try it some time.
There you go, using facts and logic again.
 
**** is really starting to look bad for Fauci and his connections, direct and indirect, to the Wuhan Covid Institute

 
**** is really starting to look bad for Fauci and his connections, direct and indirect, to the Wuhan Covid Institute


He testified under oath before the Senate and denied under NIH funding for gain-of-function research.

If Donald Jr. said something to the Senate under oath that was false, I imagine the left would not care, at all. Nope, nothing to see there.
 
This is an epic piece. EPIC. Good to be right.


Anthony Fauci, leading leftists, and their malicious band of media mouthpieces have all been sticking their fingers in the dike of the lockdown strategy. But as the data blows holes in the idea of lockdown inerrancy and the science gushes out, the ruling class is getting swept up in the current of their own failures, flailing at their opponents in a desperate attempt to divert blame.

For more than a year, proponents and opponents of COVID-19 lockdowns have played tug of war over safety and freedom, with both camps declaring fealty to science despite opposite messages. Thanks to the ruling class who insisted shutting down would save lives, that became the conventional wisdom. Fauci, President Joe Biden, and their allies in the media called for nationwide lockdowns, with Biden condemning Trump for leaving the decision to states and Fauci saying this time last year, “I don’t understand why” a nationwide stay-at-home order isn’t happening.

As is so often the case, however, the conventional wisdom was wrong. A new study from Chicago University economist Casey Mulligan validates what the anti-lockdowners knew all along: Lockdowns are a bad idea. After workplaces implemented mitigation measures, they became far safer environments than people’s homes.

“Available data from schools, hospitals, nursing homes, food processing plants, hair stylists, and airlines show employers adopting mitigation protocols in the spring of 2020,” Mulligan wrote in the study. Such mitigation protocols included masking, reasonable social distancing, screening, and improving airflow — steps people wouldn’t take in their own homes. “Coincident with the adoption, infection rates in workplaces typically dropped from well above household rates to well below.”

One example Mulligan included was the Duke Health system. After Duke’s hospitals and clinics implemented strategies to mitigate COVID spread, “an hour worked in the Duke Health system went from being more dangerous than an hour outside work to being more than three times safer.”

This makes sense, of course, not only because free businesses have always possessed incentives to create safe environments for their patrons and employees, but because ordering people to stay home doesn’t account for the social impulses of human beings that rightly prevent total isolation. This is why studies have shown community COVID transmission usually occurred inside households.

“[W]orkers have been 4-5 times less safe outside their workplace than inside it,” said a press release for the study, in a direct rebuke to lockdowns. “While stay-at-home continues to be pushed as promoting public health, nobody is checking the data which say the opposite.”

Data Schmata​

That data has gone out the window with all the other unsavory data, like the number of students cheated out of a full year of education and what that means for the future of our workforce, or the almost 100,000 businesses that permanently shut their doors. Lockdown proponents don’t like to talk about the fact that their policies resulted in the United States losing 3.5 percent of its GDP in 2020, without saving the more than 580,000 people whose deaths were attributed to the virus, plus untold lives lost to despair and a lack of access to preventative care. And what do we have to show for the $2.6 trillion in taxpayer cash lawmakers threw at the problem without a moment of introspection?

One fact we must not lose sight of, which the lockdown kings would prefer you’d forget, is that a number of scientists and other informed dissenters warned against locking down from the very beginning, only to be scorned and ignored by the corporate media, Fauci, Deborah Birx, and their bossy band of bureaucrats. These scientists were accused of murder, threatened with losing their esteemed jobs, and slandered by the hive-minded mob. Worse still, left-wing lockdown proponents are now pointing fingers at scientists who opposed them, trying to blame the anti-lockdown crowd for the deaths and disaster the shutdowns caused.

For instance, while the media lauded Gov. Andrew Cuomo as a pandemic hero while he locked down New York and ordered COVID patients to be housed in nursing homes alongside the pandemic’s most vulnerable, the same media excoriated leading scientists such as Dr. Sunetra Gupta, who opposed anti-science lockdowns while advocating for special measures to protect the elderly.


It’s safe to say the approach of the Oxford University professor and leading infectious disease epidemiologists would have been superior to that of the scandal-ridden governor, but Gupta’s detractors have blamed her for deaths that her guidance likely would have prevented. In The Guardian in January, Neil O’Brien, a Tory member of British Parliament, smeared Gupta and other anti-lockdowners for their “fantasies” and “tall tales,” saying they “make stuff up” and “have a hell of a lot to answer for.” In the same pages, George Monbiot called Gupta a “pundit” and said she “makes misleading claims about the pandemic.”

Gupta worked with two other notable public health experts in October 2020 to draft the Great Barrington Declaration, which was signed by numerous other doctors and scientific experts. The declaration called for implementing “focused protection” for vulnerable demographic groups while working toward herd immunity for resilient populations and avoiding detrimental lockdowns.

Fauci, the highest-paid federal employee who has been the biggest disgrace of the pandemic (second only to Communist China), said the declaration was “total nonsense” and “very dangerous.” The media called it the “epitome of arrogance” and reckless, implying that the Centers for Disease Control’s opposite approach of sweeping and invasive restrictions relied on “intellectual humility” — despite the latter assuming elites knew better than most Americans what would be best for each of them. The director-general of the World Health Organization, who is also a shill for the murderous CCP, called the idea “unethical.”

Leaders such as Birx, who was the federal coronavirus response coordinator, are also pushing blame. She now says hundreds of thousands of the lives lost to the virus “could have been mitigated or decreased substantially.” “The federal government did not provide consistent messaging to the American people and that is fault number one,” Birx said.

But the truth of the matter is that the inconsistent messaging came from Birx and her team. Instead of working to protect the vulnerable elderly, Birx made personal visits to states where she undermined the president’s COVID-19 messaging, paying special attention to college students, who were at extremely low risk.

To Be Cont'd​

 
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Lockdown Was ‘Pro-Contagion’​

A study released last month of the effects of lockdowns in 10 countries was damning. Not only did researchers find that “mandatory stay-at-home and business closures” resulted in “no clear, significant beneficial effect … on case growth in any country,” but in some cases, lockdowns were actually “pro-contagion.”

Pair that with reporting from The New York Times on Tuesday exposing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for manipulating data and unnecessarily restrictive recommendations. While the agency said that “less than 10 percent” of COVID-19 transmission was happening outdoors, the true figure for outdoor transmission appears to be below 1 percent and might even be less than 0.1 percent. Nevertheless, the CDC has taken lockdowns a step further by attempting to micromanage how businesses and individuals behave outside.

“These recommendations would be more grounded in science if anywhere close to 10 percent of Covid transmission were occurring outdoors. But it is not,” David Leonhardt wrote in the Times’ morning newsletter. “There is not a single documented Covid infection anywhere in the world from casual outdoor interactions, such as walking past someone on a street or eating at a nearby table.”


First, note that this is the same David Leonhardt who recently wrote in a different Times newsletter that contributing to the “culture of mask wearing” by putting on a face covering is the “decent thing to do.” Like Birx, Fauci, and other ruling class elites, media personalities don’t get to shift blame when their COVID convictions turn out to be backward.

Second, note the CDC’s mammoth error. Extra cautious and invasive outdoor restrictions were as wrongheaded as other aspects of lockdowns.

The science is surfacing, and with it the reality that our ruling classes blew it big time. They failed on lockdowns. They slashed our economy. They killed the elderly, screwed students, and ruined livelihoods. They lied about transmission, flip-flopped on guidelines that they didn’t abide by anyway, and turned our cultural climate into a fearful and isolated space. When intelligent people raised alarm bells and offered alternatives, they were scoffed at and ignored.

Now the ruling class is trying to blame those who were right from the start. Don’t let them.
 
One link in the Federalist article, from the right-wing National Library of Medicine found at Pubmed.gov:

Assessing mandatory stay-at-home and business closure effects on the spread of COVID-19​

Eran Bendavid 1 2, Christopher Oh 1, Jay Bhattacharya 2, John P A Ioannidis 1 3 4 5 6
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Free PMC article

Abstract​

Background and aims: The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID-19 are mandatory stay-at-home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less-restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).
Methods: We first estimate COVID-19 case growth in relation to any NPI implementation in subnational regions of 10 countries: England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, South Korea, Sweden and the United States. Using first-difference models with fixed effects, we isolate the effects of mrNPIs by subtracting the combined effects of lrNPIs and epidemic dynamics from all NPIs. We use case growth in Sweden and South Korea, 2 countries that did not implement mandatory stay-at-home and business closures, as comparison countries for the other 8 countries (16 total comparisons).
Results: Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that implemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epidemic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. In France, for example, the effect of mrNPIs was +7% (95% CI: -5%-19%) when compared with Sweden and + 13% (-12%-38%) when compared with South Korea (positive means pro-contagion). The 95% confidence intervals excluded 30% declines in all 16 comparisons and 15% declines in 11/16 comparisons.
Conclusions: While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less-restrictive interventions.

 
One link in the Federalist article, from the right-wing National Library of Medicine found at Pubmed.gov:




So what you are saying is....

SCIENTISTS (real ones, not the 59 gender-believing scientists)....found that....

Results: Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that implemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epidemic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. In France, for example, the effect of mrNPIs was +7% (95% CI: -5%-19%) when compared with Sweden and + 13% (-12%-38%) when compared with South Korea (positive means pro-contagion). The 95% confidence intervals excluded 30% declines in all 16 comparisons and 15% declines in 11/16 comparisons.

Conclusions: While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less-restrictive interventions.

In this case, NPI refers to "restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions", or as the article states....The most restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID-19 are mandatory stay-at-home and business closures.

So in essence, these SCIENTISTS say there were no significant benefits to controlling COVID via these means and our leaders that we followed are idiots?

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Never give up Tim, trying to give disgraced former guy all the credit for what's happening now.

I'm sure former guy appreciates your undying adulation. You've remained loyal through thick and thin, that's quite an achievement. Maybe he'll hire you to mow the grass on his golf courses down in Mar-a-Lago or in Bedminster. (y)
Tibs, It is not the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal Government to distribute or even plan distribution within the several States. That power is delegated to the States and is not an enumerated power given to the Feds. Period.
 
Tibs, It is not the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal Government to distribute or even plan distribution within the several States. That power is delegated to the States and is not an enumerated power given to the Feds. Period.

Please stop using facts, they don't work on Liberals.

But you make an excellent point. This was the genius of Trump. What he did last year was to realize what a broken machine our Federal Government is and leveraged Capitalism and Corporate America to attack COVID. He also knew the Gubmint would ruin distribution.

Biden, with FEMA, just illustrated this fact. Trump's plan to let the states dictate distribution was right. Pharmacies and churches crushing FEMA in distribution is just evidence of the fact.
 
Tibs, It is not the Constitutional responsibility of the Federal Government to distribute or even plan distribution within the several States. That power is delegated to the States and is not an enumerated power given to the Feds. Period.

I explained that in some detail months ago in this thread. The 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 
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