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The Coronavirus thread

I wonder how Stewart felt about being silenced? This is going to come around and bite them one of these days. Hopefully the reasonable liberals will see how their party is being totally hijacked by freedom suppressing commies and pitch them off the ship.

Yeah, I hear 'ya, but history teaches us it usually takes about 50 years and several million dead before the oppressed take action. Stalin literally stole food from farmers in the Ukraine and let them starve, starved millions in the Soviet Union, murdered countless, and the corrupt, murderous government continued on.
 
Yeah, I hear 'ya, but history teaches us it usually takes about 50 years and several million dead before the oppressed take action. Stalin literally stole food from farmers in the Ukraine and let them starve, starved millions in the Soviet Union, murdered countless, and the corrupt, murderous government continued on.
I wonder what the stance was on guns in the USSR at the time?
 
So over my head but interesting (and slooow).

Really good discussion. What they are saying is that part of the vaccine (spike protein on the outside of the vaccine) literally comes off after it attaches. When it comes off it can damage other cells in the body. Which is why they were worried about the vaccine not being contained to the shoulder area. Bottom line is that these companies rushed it through and it's an absolute mess. I haven't had the vaccine but I've had covid. Until they work out the spike protein issue I won't be getting it.
 
I follow Bret Weinstein, not daily, but often. He has credibility in my book. He has recently had a doctor on that has had amazing results with Ivermectin. A miracle he has not been censored by YT.
 
Really good discussion. What they are saying is that part of the vaccine (spike protein on the outside of the vaccine) literally comes off after it attaches. When it comes off it can damage other cells in the body. Which is why they were worried about the vaccine not being contained to the shoulder area. Bottom line is that these companies rushed it through and it's an absolute mess. I haven't had the vaccine but I've had covid. Until they work out the spike protein issue I won't be getting it.

This. Think of it like chemotherapy, where it's basically designed to kill all cells in the body, including good cells that typically divide very rapidly as a natural immunity defense.
 
My arm still hurts.

Good thing it ain't my drinkin arm.
 
if/when flog comes out from hiding (again)... including a quote from Fauxci pushing the vax


Research shows both coronavirus infection and vaccination offers immunity that can protect people from getting sick again. But by how much and for how long remains unclear — a scientific gap that only time could fill.

Regardless of how immunity is acquired, there’s no telling whose bodies will or won’t create effective antibodies, and why they last longer for some than others; doctors speculate age or certain medical conditions might play a role.

It also doesn’t help that the testing shortage that plagued the nation at the beginning of the pandemic will forever shield researchers from understanding the true impact of COVID-19.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that between February 2020 and March 2021, there were about 114.6 million total coronavirus infections in the U.S.. That’s about 81.1 million more cases than are confirmed as of June 17.

While people can gain immunity from both infection and vaccination, antibodies created from both routes target different parts of the virus, which leads to variations in the quality of protection.

It’s like a coin flip: risk contracting COVID-19 — and potentially becoming a long-hauler — or getting vaccinated. Some argue the final outcome is similar, but one is far more dangerous than the other.

Here’s what the latest data show about immunity from prior infection and vaccines.

Natural immunity from coronavirus infection​

There are certain illnesses in which infection can offer more protection than a vaccine.

For example, coming down with measles or mumps is said to confer lifelong immunity to the virus, but some people who get the vaccine may still get infected, although the shots still limit and prevent the spread of outbreaks.

But if the novel coronavirus is anything like others in the coronavirus family, like the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS), then permanent protection after infection is unlikely.

Studies offer some positive clues, however.

Research published in February found that coronavirus patients gained “substantial immune memory” that involved all four major parts of the immune system: memory B cells, antibodies, memory CD4+ T cells and memory CD8+ T cells.

This protection lasted about six months after infection in most people, but for some, it remained for up to eight months, suggesting it could last even longer in some cases.

Separate research posted in April showed a history of COVID-19 among U.K. patients was associated with an 84% lower risk of reinfection for about seven months after testing positive.

Another non-peer reviewed study published in June found that over five months, 1,359 American health care workers who previously had COVID-19 and didn’t get vaccinated stayed clear of reinfection. The Cleveland Clinic researchers said, in the context of a short supply of vaccines globally, “a practical and useful message would be to consider symptomatic COVID-19 to be as good as having received a vaccine,” adding that people who’ve had the coronavirus “are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination.”

While scientists cannot predict who will develop natural immunity, evidence shows people who had severe COVID-19 are more likely to develop a stronger immune response than those who had milder forms of the disease.

Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines​

It’s also true that research shows COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against reinfection, although “breakthrough cases” can occur because no vaccine is 100% effective.

However, studies have found vaccine-derived antibodies are more robust compared to those from natural infection — and the job is done without causing illness or other long-term complications often brought on by the disease.

Two doctors from Italy compared the process of infection and vaccination in relation to variants to the plot of an action movie.
It “begins with a character (the virus) running freely across the globe, eluding capture until being finally sent to jail (built by natural immunity). However, if this prison is not secure enough, the virus could escape, aided by certain mutations,” Dr. Emanuele Andreano and Dr. Rino Rappuoli of the Monoclonal Antibody Discovery Lab, wrote in Nature. “Vaccine-induced immunity… should help ensure those escape routes are securely closed.”

An April study that has not been peer-reviewed found that two doses of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines offered 10 times higher levels of antibodies compared to those developed after natural infection.

Another April paper showed that people who were previously infected with the coronavirus experienced significant boosts in their preexisting antibodies after two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, which also offered protection against coronavirus variants.

“Vaccines actually, at least with regard to SARS-CoV-2, can do better than nature... They are better than the traditional response you get from natural infection,” White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci said during a COVID-19 briefing in May.

Exactly why vaccines appear to generate more robust immunity than natural infection remains unclear, but Dr. Sabra Klein, a virologist and professor of immunology at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said infection and vaccination work in different ways.

“The immune system of people who have been infected has been trained to target all these different parts of the virus called antigens. You’d think that would provide the strongest immunity, but it doesn’t,” Klein said. “The Pfizer or Moderna vaccines target just the spike protein — the part of the virus that is essential for invading cells.

“It’s like a big red button sitting on the surface of the virus. It’s really sticking out there, and it’s what our immune system sees most easily,” she continued. “By focusing on this one big antigen, it’s like you’re making our immune system put blinders on and only be able to see that one piece of the virus.”

In other words, vaccines work to strengthen immune responses gained during natural infection; that’s why health experts advise people who’ve had COVID-19 to still get vaccinated.

“There’s nothing deleterious about getting a boost to an immune response that you’ve had before,” Dr. Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington in Seattle, told The New York Times. “You could get an actually even better immune response by boosting whatever immunity you had from the first infection by a vaccine.”
 
So over my head but interesting (and slooow).



In plain terms. It's some half cooked bs that's not going to react well in a lot of people. It's going through your entire body. Spike protein breaking off and basically going on a **** **** up spree inside you on a cellular level....sweet.


The other part of people being censored about complications with Facebook leading the way.

What in the blue hell is going on? Thankfully I identify as vaccinated, so I'm good to go.
 
In plain terms. It's some half cooked bs that's not going to react well in a lot of people. It's going through your entire body. Spike protein breaking off and basically going on a **** **** up spree inside you on a cellular level....sweet.


The other part of people being censored about complications with Facebook leading the way.

What in the blue hell is going on? Thankfully I identify as vaccinated, so I'm good to go.
I identify as the cure. All women (selective) have to do is take some juice from the tap! 😆
 
In plain terms. It's some half cooked bs that's not going to react well in a lot of people. It's going through your entire body. Spike protein breaking off and basically going on a **** **** up spree inside you on a cellular level....sweet.


The other part of people being censored about complications with Facebook leading the way.

What in the blue hell is going on? Thankfully I identify as vaccinated, so I'm good to go.
You couldn't write a better movie script.

A group of extremely wealthy and politically powerful individuals fund the creation of a virus in a lab within a very secretive country. There is no vaccine which can counter the virus that primarily affects the older population and the pre-compromised. Basically those who can no longer work and contribute to the central government.

It spreads like wildfire and those who backed the creation of the virus also help push a vaccine that is rushed to market and should only be used to vaccinate those who fall into the high risk category.

Instead it is also pushed to healthy adults and children by a trusted government official financially backed by the masterminds . Spurred by an equally corrupt and complicit media and entertainment industry. This vaccine causes further division within an already racially divided country, animosity spreads, eventually marshall law is the law of the land. Guns are confiscated, and those who resist are exterminated by government agents in the interest of public safety. Order is temporarily restored.

In an effort to "support" the people, the government prints money to the point that it has no value. The government falls and the hostile country which secretly hosted and shielded the lab, filled that vacuum and moved in. Just as what was projected to happen in the original agreement between the host country and the globalists.

What was not expected to happen was that those who were vaccinated eventually began getting sick and dying off in droves. The entire country was totally disrupted, food chains broken. The old and the weak starved, neighborhoods created factions to survive but eventually even they started turning on one another as food supplies dwindled...

The victorious country pulls up stakes because their conquered nation was uncontrollable. The land was laid to waste. The strongest and smartest survived. The land began to heal but the environment was still incredibly hostile. Civilized countries that fought off the virus naturally were long back to normal but wanted nothing to do with the once prosperous nation that had regressed to somewhat of a tribal area and very much cut off from the rest of the world.

Those tribes grew and evolved over time. Each had a common belief where hard work is rewarded and those who don't wish to work or cannot due to unfortunate health issues eventually starved. Darwin's rule was finally put back into place. Cold hearted yes but it was what was most beneficial for the strength of the collective. The rule of law was enforced which was another incentive for citizens to work hard. Those who steal from others, no matter the value stolen were put in the nearest lock. The citizens of that community were allowed to determine the fate of the thief. Those who took the life of another were tried and if found guilty, immediately hung that day. Eventually the citizens of these tribes or in some cases, states, wouldn't think twice of hurting a fellow citizen. Houses of worship eventually began to be built and they were the backbone of each community. Those who needed a helping hand could find support from their community but citizens were wise enough to know the difference between temporary support and being taken advantage of. Sometimes those who took advantage of the generosity of the town were met with hostility and if fortunate were only cast out.

The remaining tribes that had not already became states, eventually did so. Pride in where one was born and raised was incredibly high and since all the states had nearly the same experience in climbing out of the wasteland that was they all shared that same amount of pride. States eventually started trading with one another and eventually they started to thrive as some states had goods and resources others needed and vice versa. The new band of states begins to thrive as there is no dead weight to support. Other countries previously interested in taking over the nation in the past had other internal issues and didn't wish to get involved with taking on a country that would fight to the death collectively to defend itself.

Advancements in technology are made to the point that the atom could be controlled causing the country to become even more powerful.

Unfortunately as history always repeats itself those noble folks who represented their states became accustomed to power and wished to remain there by all means possible. This would not be possible with a wise and learned citizenry so changes had to be made. Minds had to be influenced. Economics were altered over time forcing parents to spend less and less time with their children. The children are then taught through social programming to disregard the teachings their parents and grandparents who lived through the dark times. The powers that be worked hard to cast away other healthy support mechanisms such as the houses of worship that were once the background of the prosperous communities. They became ridiculed and were discarded like refuse.

The people became soft and lackadaisical as those in power supported them and expected the same at the ballot box. Darwin's rule ceases to be once again but there were still enough hard working people who only wanted to be left alone and didn't go along with what the state had devolved into yet that was not good enough. Powerful people wanted total control and a virus was then created in a lab far away...
 
You couldn't write a better movie script.

A group of extremely wealthy and politically powerful individuals fund the creation of a virus in a lab within a very secretive country. There is no vaccine which can counter the virus that primarily affects the older population and the pre-compromised. Basically those who can no longer work and contribute to the central government.

It spreads like wildfire and those who backed the creation of the virus also help push a vaccine that is rushed to market and should only be used to vaccinate those who fall into the high risk category.

Instead it is also pushed to healthy adults and children by a trusted government official financially backed by the masterminds . Spurred by an equally corrupt and complicit media and entertainment industry. This vaccine causes further division within an already racially divided country, animosity spreads, eventually marshall law is the law of the land. Guns are confiscated, and those who resist are exterminated by government agents in the interest of public safety. Order is temporarily restored.

In an effort to "support" the people, the government prints money to the point that it has no value. The government falls and the hostile country which secretly hosted and shielded the lab, filled that vacuum and moved in. Just as what was projected to happen in the original agreement between the host country and the globalists.

What was not expected to happen was that those who were vaccinated eventually began getting sick and dying off in droves. The entire country was totally disrupted, food chains broken. The old and the weak starved, neighborhoods created factions to survive but eventually even they started turning on one another as food supplies dwindled...

The victorious country pulls up stakes because their conquered nation was uncontrollable. The land was laid to waste. The strongest and smartest survived. The land began to heal but the environment was still incredibly hostile. Civilized countries that fought off the virus naturally were long back to normal but wanted nothing to do with the once prosperous nation that had regressed to somewhat of a tribal area and very much cut off from the rest of the world.

Those tribes grew and evolved over time. Each had a common belief where hard work is rewarded and those who don't wish to work or cannot due to unfortunate health issues eventually starved. Darwin's rule was finally put back into place. Cold hearted yes but it was what was most beneficial for the strength of the collective. The rule of law was enforced which was another incentive for citizens to work hard. Those who steal from others, no matter the value stolen were put in the nearest lock. The citizens of that community were allowed to determine the fate of the thief. Those who took the life of another were tried and if found guilty, immediately hung that day. Eventually the citizens of these tribes or in some cases, states, wouldn't think twice of hurting a fellow citizen. Houses of worship eventually began to be built and they were the backbone of each community. Those who needed a helping hand could find support from their community but citizens were wise enough to know the difference between temporary support and being taken advantage of. Sometimes those who took advantage of the generosity of the town were met with hostility and if fortunate were only cast out.

The remaining tribes that had not already became states, eventually did so. Pride in where one was born and raised was incredibly high and since all the states had nearly the same experience in climbing out of the wasteland that was they all shared that same amount of pride. States eventually started trading with one another and eventually they started to thrive as some states had goods and resources others needed and vice versa. The new band of states begins to thrive as there is no dead weight to support. Other countries previously interested in taking over the nation in the past had other internal issues and didn't wish to get involved with taking on a country that would fight to the death collectively to defend itself.

Advancements in technology are made to the point that the atom could be controlled causing the country to become even more powerful.

Unfortunately as history always repeats itself those noble folks who represented their states became accustomed to power and wished to remain there by all means possible. This would not be possible with a wise and learned citizenry so changes had to be made. Minds had to be influenced. Economics were altered over time forcing parents to spend less and less time with their children. The children are then taught through social programming to disregard the teachings their parents and grandparents who lived through the dark times. The powers that be worked hard to cast away other healthy support mechanisms such as the houses of worship that were once the background of the prosperous communities. They became ridiculed and were discarded like refuse.

The people became soft and lackadaisical as those in power supported them and expected the same at the ballot box. Darwin's rule ceases to be once again but there were still enough hard working people who only wanted to be left alone and didn't go along with what the state had devolved into yet that was not good enough. Powerful people wanted total control and a virus was then created in a lab far away...

Somewhere out west, Wig weaps reading this.
 
You couldn't write a better movie script.

Darwin's rule was finally put back into place. Cold hearted yes but it was what was most beneficial for the strength of the collective. The rule of law was enforced which was another incentive for citizens to work hard. Those who steal from others, no matter the value stolen were put in the nearest lock. The citizens of that community were allowed to determine the fate of the thief.

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You had me at "stealing."
 
 
A little too convenient.
Now just waiting for the spread and the blame on the non vaccinated. Perhaps a lockdown #3 then a little commie control to get everyone to comply

They'll get an open revolt if they pull the lockdown **** again. Some states did massive economic,mental health and social damage to themselves. Absolutely destroyed many businesses.People are fleeing states like California which looks like a horror show on every level.

I can say for sure Florida and Texas won't be doing that. People take their right to liberty and pursuit of happiness serious here. All the federal government is doing right now is destroying the union. They're showing complete contempt for it's citizens.
 
A little too convenient.
Now just waiting for the spread and the blame on the non vaccinated. Perhaps a lockdown #3 then a little commie control to get everyone to comply

Oh you ain't seen nothin' MTC. This 'Big Brother' act is jus gettin' started.


Massachusetts state officials recently announced the launch of the “voluntary” MassNotify app, which monitors the spread of COVID-19 in the state. The only problem is the app appears to be installing itself on residents’ and their kids’ smartphones, unbeknownst to users, and without their consent.



“Ghost installed without my permission, and keeps sending me push notifications. I removed it and it reinstall itself. This isn’t something I want in my phone, it’s not something that has permission to be on my phone nor should the commonwealth or any other place/company be allowed to put something on my phone without my permission,” said user Beth Silvaggio.
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So as I've been saying for over a year. You know why the media reversal on the covid spread? This guy. Our country appears to be filled with Chinese spies and traitors in high places. What a goldmine this guy is going to be.

 
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