Covid Vaccine
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Actually the numbers ive seen say it’s about about 50/50…from countries that were tracking it. Pfizer has little to no effect on the delta and the past two variants all three had about a seventy percent effectiveness rate on… the us published the first two studies before the variants were widespread so it boasted 95% effectiveness… do you actually read any if the papers or just go by the news articles?Darwin was right.
99% of people who have died or have been hospitalized with serious COVID 19 complications since May are unvaccinated.
Don’t go extinct. Get vaccinated.
Seriously, check a bunch of stuff from italy, Britain, hell anywhere and the numbers seem to be 50% of cases are vaccinated …
'Pfizer COVID vaccine significantly less effective against Delta variant'
Ministers agree to move forward with rapid, home coronavirus testing as early as next week
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the good news though is in Europe at least they are expecting a traditional non mrna vaccine that can be adapted to variants rather quickly to be approved within a couple months… its in the final approval stages…
weird how we aren’t really pushing for that
This is where i am at… its a totally new concept for a vaccine… as soon as they have a standard one im fine with getting it… we just really have no clue with the mrna stuff.. we can’t yet… it was still a half decade away from being partially tested enough to really consider it
we have no insight on long term effects… its extremely scary **** because they haven’t even come close to figuring out what ******* with proteins like that is really going to lead to down the road…
if this was ebola that morphed down to something like 10% deadly so its spread would be actually problematic and its death rate among previously healthy people would be catastrophic, then by all means go ape **** on fully experimental stuff, but there is are several very viable standard vaccines that only arent approved because they didn’t get the same emergency status to skip all the protocols that the mrna ones got…they will be out within months… there is no reason not to wait if you aren’t pressed for it…
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Where are you getting your information? The (rather vague and contradictory) second paragraph of that article acknowledges they don’t know how effective the vaccine is against the Delta variant.Actually the numbers ive seen say it’s about about 50/50…from countries that were tracking it. Pfizer has little to no effect on the delta and the past two variants all three had about a seventy percent effectiveness rate on… the us published the first two studies before the variants were widespread so it boasted 95% effectiveness… do you actually read any if the papers or just go by the news articles?
Seriously, check a bunch of stuff from italy, Britain, hell anywhere and the numbers seem to be 50% of cases are vaccinated …
'Pfizer COVID vaccine significantly less effective against Delta variant'
Ministers agree to move forward with rapid, home coronavirus testing as early as next week
the good news though is in Europe at least they are expecting a traditional non mrna vaccine that can be adapted to variants rather quickly to be approved within a couple months… its in the final approval stages…
weird how we aren’t really pushing for that
It is just stunningly comical to me that you have NO clue what herd immunity is....yet you still keep arguing using the same failed definition of it.
As I have said back to you for a week - a point you can't grasp because your entire position is based upon ignorance - cases will always rise. You point to cases rising as some evidence that we are not at or close to some form of herd immunity. In your wrong mind, using your wrong definition of herd immunity, to you IF cases are rising we aren't there.
That is demonstrably, factually wrong.
The virus is endemic. You don't know what herd immunity even means. You aren't aware that some years we get to herd immunity with the flu....while watching cases rise.
This continues to be like watching an idiot argue till he's blue in the face that water is gasoline. Um....no, it's not.
Actually the numbers ive seen say it’s about about 50/50…from countries that were tracking it. Pfizer has little to no effect on the delta and the past two variants all three had about a seventy percent effectiveness rate on… the us published the first two studies before the variants were widespread so it boasted 95% effectiveness… do you actually read any if the papers or just go by the news articles?
Seriously, check a bunch of stuff from italy, Britain, hell anywhere and the numbers seem to be 50% of cases are vaccinated …
'Pfizer COVID vaccine significantly less effective against Delta variant'
Ministers agree to move forward with rapid, home coronavirus testing as early as next week
the good news though is in Europe at least they are expecting a traditional non mrna vaccine that can be adapted to variants rather quickly to be approved within a couple months… its in the final approval stages…
weird how we aren’t really pushing for that
So you're saying Tiblio is spreading misinformation again?? Nooooo........
I think the best part of this article is this:
AKA, the virus strains are now less dangerous and we are able to treat COVID far better than we could previously.
Sounds highly familiar.
Yeah and the article - if you read all of it - also says "At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions were vaccinated."
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Are you even paying attention? “Cases are rising” isn’t referring to all-time cases, that can only go one way, of course they’re rising. Why would anyone make mention of that? They are talking about NEW DAILY CASES RISING, particularly the seven or fourteen day trends. When that is happening, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT CLOSE TO HERD IMMUNITY. Nobody is claiming that except you. How can that make sense to you?
U.S. facing 'pandemic of the unvaccinated', CDC warns as cases, deaths rise
Low vaccination coverage in parts of the U.S. is putting people at risk, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned.
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Are you even paying attention? “Cases are rising” isn’t referring to all-time cases, that can only go one way, of course they’re rising. Why would anyone make mention of that? They are talking about NEW DAILY CASES RISING, particularly the seven or fourteen day trends. When that is happening, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT CLOSE TO HERD IMMUNITY. Nobody is claiming that except you. How can that make sense to you?
U.S. facing 'pandemic of the unvaccinated', CDC warns as cases, deaths rise
Low vaccination coverage in parts of the U.S. is putting people at risk, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned.
Round and round and round...
AGAIN...ONCE AGAIN - the definition of herd immunity:
Herd immunity happens when a large part of the population -- the herd -- is immune to a virus. This can happen either because these people got vaccinated or had already been infected. Herd immunity makes it harder for a virus to spread. So even those who haven't been sick or vaccinated have some protection.
When a LARGE portion of the population is immune to the virus - CHECK. 3 months ago it was estimated that 180-190M Americans were immune, and that number is likely closer now to 210-225M.
Herd Immunity makes it harder for the virus to spread - CHECK. It does not say IMPOSSIBLE for it to spread. HARDER. It STILL spreads. Notice the definition does NOT say "makes it impossible for the virus to spread." The very definition of herd immunity specifically indicates the virus will still spread. Just at lower rates. Where we are.
From Johns Hopkins: "For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick"
You still equate herd immunity with eradication. You are wrong. You still don't understand the definition.
Cases can and will rise when we have herd immunity, as they do with the flu. They don't go away and there are and will be peaks and valleys.
Are we there yet? Again I don't know, but we do know we are close. The vast # of counties across the country reporting no cases at all (something unheard of once this virus began) is evidence to that.
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per flogtionary.com, “herd immunity” do be mean ain’t possible for a ennyone ta gets it.
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Well that's pretty ****** protection. They'll be coming out with a booster shot every year for the new mutations. Considering china's track record with giving the world ****** up viruses, we have a good chance of getting their next gift before we get rid of this one. Which will probably be here for good just like the flu.
COVID-19 Vaccine Obstacles Among Minority Communities | NurseJournal.org
People in racial and ethnic minority groups are disproportionately affected by COVID-19, but many also struggle with vaccine access and vaccine readiness. Here's why — and how to fix this problem.
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So you're saying black and brown people are defective or dumb?
Always knew you were stupid, lazy, dumb, ignorant, wrong, a freeloader, a liar, an idiot conspiracy theorist, a spoiled little *****, but did not know the depth of your racism.
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Lower rates? No, rates are rising.
Where did I ever use the term “eradication”? You’re the one that declared Covid “over” not long ago.
If, in the past three weeks, the US had gone from 11,000 cases to 3,100, THAT would be indicative of being near herd immunity. But that didn’t happen, cases went up to 31,000. That is absolutely inconsistent with being at or near herd immunity. Nothing about that suggests RESISTANCE. No qualified person ever declared being at or near herd immunity when cases were rising, be it against Covid or the flu. And you’re wrong, some counties didn’t have their first Covid case until 2021.
A Year In, Covid-19 Cases Have Reached Every U.S. County
An isolated Hawaiian enclave where only about 70 people live and work appeared to become the last U.S. county to identify a Covid-19 case after a resident apparently picked up the virus while traveling.
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What we re seeing now is the failure of lockdowns. People emerge from a 1.5 year lockdown, with their immune systems weakened, and a more contagious mutation emerging, this was bound to happen. As long as the vulnerable are protected, we will get through this.
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Everyone is going to get it sooner or later. Vaccine or not.
Preach, brother. Exactly what I was trying to say, but you said it much better.
Oh god, don't say that, bubble (cuck) boy is already on the brink.
Look at the new 36-hour average!
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Just like stated above. You weaken your immune system by this house arrest,stay away from everything for 1.5+ years.
Dumbest idea ever. We'll right along with wearing people filthy cross contaminated rags they stick on their faces half assed and probably never washed.
I know it's like a crazy religion now.
Lower rates? No, rates are rising.
Where did I ever use the term “eradication”? You’re the one that declared Covid “over” not long ago.
If, in the past three weeks, the US had gone from 11,000 cases to 3,100, THAT would be indicative of being near herd immunity. But that didn’t happen, cases went up to 31,000. That is absolutely inconsistent with being at or near herd immunity. Nothing about that suggests RESISTANCE. No qualified person ever declared being at or near herd immunity when cases were rising, be it against Covid or the flu. And you’re wrong, some counties didn’t have their first Covid case until 2021.
A Year In, Covid-19 Cases Have Reached Every U.S. County
An isolated Hawaiian enclave where only about 70 people live and work appeared to become the last U.S. county to identify a Covid-19 case after a resident apparently picked up the virus while traveling.
No you absolutely believe herd immunity means eradication. Rates are all relative. Relative to where we were March and April 2020. Relative to where we were last summer. Last fall.
Our rate increases now compared to then are minimal. Compared to where we were in early June, notable. What's the measuring stick? Which moving goal post?
Rates now, even with the current rise, fit the definition: Herd immunity happens when a large part of the population -- the herd -- is immune to a virus. This can happen either because these people got vaccinated or had already been infected. Herd immunity makes it harder for a virus to spread. So even those who haven't been sick or vaccinated have some protection.
A large portion...2/3...of our population is immune to the virus. That makes it harder for a virus to spread.
That is herd immunity, exactly where we are.
Let's flip the script. If we aren't there, and you want to continue to argue cases are rising and we are failing, you're saying the vaccines don't work? They didn't work for the Democrats who fled Texas. All of them were vaccinated.
Are you saying natural immunity doesn't work?
Are you saying natural immunity and vaccines don't work against variants?
What exactly are you arguing?
Fact is we are somewhere between 200-225M give or take of Americans with natural immunity, vaccine immunity, or both. Your insistence that we are failing means one of these things. You pick.
So five fully vaccinated (D)imbos tested positive.
Tibilo and Floggy, you two ladies might want to re-visit the sputum you have been dispensing about "positive Chinese flu tests are related to right-wingers failure to vaccinate." Both claims are absolute bullshit.
The people not getting vaccinated are more often people of color, your entire premise is a proven lie, and getting the vaccine does not protect against positive tests. Again, you are circle-jerking over positive test results, while TSF keeps pointing out that mortality is way, way down.
Almost as if the people getting the virus are having mild cases - positive tests but no serious symptoms.
Sound like somebody you know?
I'd just like Tiblio and Floggedlikeamule to tell me again how effective the vaccines are.....
Seems like in the past week I've heard a **** ton of stories of athletes and politicians who have been jabby stabbed all getting COVID despite the SAFE and EFFECTIVE vaccines.
Hell Jizzed's facility has had 49,323 re-infections (in triplicate) alone.
Do these vaccines work or not???
(PS....this **** has me cracking up....I been seein' dis Tibor screamin' yellin' bout red ruby rednecks be killin' peoplez cuz day ain't be gettin' da stab. Red statez and all dat sheet...despite CNN do tell us thair be no link t'all to vaccine status and political eyefiliatiun. But when deez Demonrats board a plane, flyz to Warshington, get da COVID - after havun da vaccines - spread da COVID, and sendz da VP Knee Pads tah Walter Reed....day dem Liberals sho do be quiets as church mices don't day be!!!!! Ain't got nuffins to say 'bout dem Dems flyin's around wid no masks spreadin' da virus to peoplez!! Slappin' my kneez I'm laughinz so hard at day hypocrisies!! **** do be comedy gold!)
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