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Oh man, I'm so sorry to read this entire message. My sincere condolences my friend, and I will be in touch soon (whether you like it or not).
Really sorry to hear that DJ...My condolences.
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Wait until the body starts identifying all of the spike proteins embedded and every organ as pathogens and the immune system starts attacking them: That’s what happened and the initial trials of mRNA vaccines in lab animals. The lab animals all died. This is why I will not be taking any experimental vaccines in general and mRNA vaccines in particular.
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I get that, but CVD is a lifetimedeveloping illness with genetic and lifestyle components. It's not a contagious disease can kill you in a matter of a few weeks.
Once again, calling VAERS reports "death rates" from vaccines is not accurate.
If 150 million people ate a peanut butter sandwich in the last two months and 12,000 of them died, it doesn't mean the peanut butter sandwiches caused their death. It's irresponsible to keep portraying these numbers this way. People die every single day. The fact that they got a vaccine within the two months before their death does not mean the vaccine caused their death.
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I am so sorry for your loss Djfan.
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Fact check: A 2012 study did not use mRNA vaccines or result in animals dying from disease
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.
www.reuters.com
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.
The video, which has been viewed over 140,000 times on Facebook, carries the headline: “Why people may start dying a few months after the Gates vaccination”.
It opens with a screenshot of the abstract of a 2012 paper entitled ‘Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus’. That paper is visible online here and here. The study researched vaccinated mice that were later exposed to a live SARS virus.
The speaker in the video says: “What happened in this study is that the animal models, after being challenged, got very sick and that some of them died. So that the last line of the abstract says: ‘Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.’” (Timestamp 1.06)
The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.
He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal infection”.
He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”
The speaker in the video goes on to suggest throughout the video that the findings of the study are applicable to RNA vaccines (here Timestamps 0.18, 1.49, 2.43).
However, Tseng, said the vaccines they had studied in the 2012 paper and the mRNA technology used in the COVID-19 vaccines are “very different vaccine platforms.”
Tseng also said that, while people should always be cautious about the safety of new vaccines, they should not be alarmed by his paper.
He wrote: “I feel our earlier report has raised that safety issue which has been taken seriously within the vaccine developers worldwide by different Institutions, including the World Health Organisation and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.”
Yes but they have been pretty rigid about excluding deaths that cannot be vaccine related… if you die in a car crash after getting the shot you aren’t on that list…. If you die of a heart condition you are… there are hundreds of healthy people who died within a week of getting the shot… several in the pre teen to young teens, which is why they have dragged their feet on requiring it for kids just yet…
yeah of course many or most of those deaths weren’t from the vaccines, just like many of the covid deaths weren’t from covid… they don’t autopsy every death….
but the point is that whenever a vaccine… or any medication, has a large amount of deaths per million associated with it , its almost always pulled for further testing
After admitting it had the potential to cause clotting in some individuals the ******* Johnson and Johnson was pulled for what, a couple weeks before releasing it again… honestly what can be proven or tested in that timeframe?
there can be multiple truths here.
the vaccine can be good for some people
The vaccines can kill and harm others
The vaccine can help strengthen immunity in some and prevent hospitalization
It might not be effective in others and may cause clotting and swelling of the heart.
At this point I am not going to get any of the three. I certainly don’t dissuade anyone from doing so. My Dad got his. Several of my closest friends did, its 50/50 at work…
the only thing I know for sure is that i hope my paranoia about new treatments is unfounded for this case…
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Because the clotting was extremely rare. It was slightly elevated from the normal rate of blood clots, which is why there is a warning to look out for it so that it can be caught and treated. Once again, every single medicine in existence has rare adverse effects. You know what else has adverse effects? Covid.
There are a lot and i mean a lot of papers published on covid and the vaccines these days… many are rushed and seem politicized.. its extremely sad. Everyone wants to either doom and gloom it or skate over issues that probably are pretty big to make things sound better…Fact check: A 2012 study did not use mRNA vaccines or result in animals dying from disease
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.
A video which uses a research paper to argue that mRNA vaccines will make people fatally weakened to other diseases makes untrue claims about the study, according to the paper’s lead author.
The video, which has been viewed over 140,000 times on Facebook, carries the headline: “Why people may start dying a few months after the Gates vaccination”.
It opens with a screenshot of the abstract of a 2012 paper entitled ‘Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus’. That paper is visible online here and here. The study researched vaccinated mice that were later exposed to a live SARS virus.
The speaker in the video says: “What happened in this study is that the animal models, after being challenged, got very sick and that some of them died. So that the last line of the abstract says: ‘Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.’” (Timestamp 1.06)
The recommendation for caution is indeed the final line of the study’s conclusion, as published on the above link, but the lead author of the study, Prof Chien-Te (Kent) Tseng (here), told Reuters by email that the animals in the study did not die.
He said that immunised mice “generated strong and highly protective antibody responses which fully protect immunized mice against lethal infection”.
He said that when the animals were exposed to the live virus, they developed eosinophilia (a high count of a type of white blood cells) but, despite this, they “found that mice survived the lethal challenge without showing any readily noticeable weight loss and other signs of illness.”
The speaker in the video goes on to suggest throughout the video that the findings of the study are applicable to RNA vaccines (here Timestamps 0.18, 1.49, 2.43).
However, Tseng, said the vaccines they had studied in the 2012 paper and the mRNA technology used in the COVID-19 vaccines are “very different vaccine platforms.”
Tseng also said that, while people should always be cautious about the safety of new vaccines, they should not be alarmed by his paper.
He wrote: “I feel our earlier report has raised that safety issue which has been taken seriously within the vaccine developers worldwide by different Institutions, including the World Health Organisation and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.”
its exactly why i am waiting… when you get larger data pools you can make more informed decisions, moreover the longer these things are out the more we know about side effects….
as soon as a standard vaccine is available i will take that for sure.. im going to be playing things on what I consider the safe side until then…
Absolutely, but it definitely made me stop and wait on getting it… since j&j is using that modified virus instead of mnra it’s probably long term safer, but that clotting issue needs to be watched especially after the immunized are exposed to the variants.. and it needs to be data checked after a year…
Id prefer the actual dead virus type of vaccines… they should be out soon… if i had to get one it would be j&j though
but again we are dealing with something completely new in regards to treating people with mnra … as someone once told a curmudgeonly EPA guy at a conference i was at, we can’t know what we don’t know yet…”
here is an article about mnra vaccines from last year, before this was publicized… https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10...leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/
You are talking about billions invested in this from at least one company known to cover up crap for profits, and even J&J had to cut corners to modify that adrinovirus they use quickly its not like we have a real five or ten year data pool yet…
mnra is just too new for my tastes yet
But they can irresponsibly continue to hammer us with "600K have died from COVID"
Equally as irresponsible.
Or, we treat this as EVIDENCE that something is wrong because we see a correlation between data points that suggests something's up.
Forget the cause and effect for a moment. The # of 'possible' cases reported to VAERS is off the charts excessive compared to the # of cases reported to VAERS where other vaccines are suspect.
No, there isn't a direct cause/effect relationship. That doesn't mean you ignore it, you dig, especially when the reported incidences are so high.
What did they figure out in the 2 weeks it was pulled...to Mad's point?
Novavax. Based in my hometown.
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Novavax COVID-19 vaccine 90.4% effective in clinical trial, company says
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial.
www.foxnews.com
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial. The company said it intends to file for FDA authorization in the third quarter.
"Today, Novavax is one step closer to addressing the critical and persistent global public health need for additional COVID-19 vaccines," Stanley C. Erck, Novavax’s president and CEO said in a statement. "These clinical results reinforce that NVX-CoV2373 is extremely effective and offers complete protection against both moderate and severe COVID-19 infection. Novavax continues to work with a sense of urgency to complete our regulatory submissions and deliver this vaccine, built on a well understood and proven platform, to a world that is still in great need of vaccines."....
...The vaccine also demonstrated over 93% efficacy against variants of concern and variants of interest that were detected through sequencing of confirmed cases in the trial....
....The study noted that no single adverse event term was reported by more than 1% of participants and that the most common local symptoms reported after dose one and dose two was injection site pain described as generally mild to moderate in severity and lasting less than three days. Fatigue, headache and muscle pain were also reported as lasting less than two days...
...The Phase 3 PREVENT-19 trial had enrolled nearly 30,000 participants ages 18 and older in the U.S. and Mexico...A trial involving adolescents ages 12-17 is ongoing.
...The company said that following approval, it remains "on track to reach manufacturing capacity of 100 million doses per month by the end of the third quarter and 150 million doses per month by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021."
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Now this is a vax I would gladly take. mRNA vaccines may be the future but right now there are too many unknown variables.Novavax. Based in my hometown.
See you this fall. Can't wait!
Novavax COVID-19 vaccine 90.4% effective in clinical trial, company says
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial.
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial. The company said it intends to file for FDA authorization in the third quarter.
"Today, Novavax is one step closer to addressing the critical and persistent global public health need for additional COVID-19 vaccines," Stanley C. Erck, Novavax’s president and CEO said in a statement. "These clinical results reinforce that NVX-CoV2373 is extremely effective and offers complete protection against both moderate and severe COVID-19 infection. Novavax continues to work with a sense of urgency to complete our regulatory submissions and deliver this vaccine, built on a well understood and proven platform, to a world that is still in great need of vaccines."....
...The vaccine also demonstrated over 93% efficacy against variants of concern and variants of interest that were detected through sequencing of confirmed cases in the trial....
....The study noted that no single adverse event term was reported by more than 1% of participants and that the most common local symptoms reported after dose one and dose two was injection site pain described as generally mild to moderate in severity and lasting less than three days. Fatigue, headache and muscle pain were also reported as lasting less than two days...
...The Phase 3 PREVENT-19 trial had enrolled nearly 30,000 participants ages 18 and older in the U.S. and Mexico...A trial involving adolescents ages 12-17 is ongoing.
...The company said that following approval, it remains "on track to reach manufacturing capacity of 100 million doses per month by the end of the third quarter and 150 million doses per month by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021."
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From the venerable Steve Schmidt:
I’d like to offer a couple of other thoughts around our great national hostage situation.
The overwhelming majority has been taken hostage by an unyielding and ignorant minority that refuses, through their selfishness and stupidity to allow the nation to crush the Pandemic and move on. They will cause an unnecessary third wave, kill tens of thousands, harm the economy and disrupt education for a third consecutive year. They scream about rights and repeat nonsense like, “but HIPPA” with comprehension levels similar to a Parrot.
We will never hear an utterance, from any of them, around concepts like responsibility and obligation as they invoke “rights” which don’t exist. What to do?
I just spent the last couple of weeks in Europe and I have some thoughts. Flying internationally required BOTH, proof of vaccination and a negative Covid test, specifically a PCR test taken within 48 hours of travel. All airlines required masks and the Czech airline mandated a Chinese made ventilator mask that…. Well, it sucked and I hated wearing it but since I wanted to go to Prague, I did.
The lines at the airport required patience as the agents reviewed all of the documentation. During the weeks I was gone the number of tourists increased each day and the speed of the agents in the airports seemed to increase as well. Personally, I recognize all of this is a pain in the *** and I wish it weren’t so, But alas, it is.
There is no right to go to concerts, football and basketball games. There is no right to fly and there is no inherent right to be able to play unvaccinated in the NFL.
The government should never force a needle into anyone’s arm (military doesn’t count) but those people should accept the consequences of their actions and the consequences mean they are the ones in constant quarantine. They can stay home, while the world opens for the rest of us. Their world can shrink to the footprints of their living spaces as their choice denies them access to their places of employment and privately owned public venues.
Eric Clapton calls this discrimination. It’s not. It’s about choices. Choose your choice. Clapton doesn’t have to play any venue he doesn’t want to. No venue can be forced to admit unvaccinated people, same goes for restaurants, airlines and sport venues.
Enough is enough with the bullshit and insanity.
Faced with the choice between a dramatically shrunken world and a safe and effective vaccine it will be amazing to witness how many people leave the stupid behind at the clinic door.
It is time for the majority, through the power of the private sector and the proper application of incentives to bring this to heel.
Lastly, there is a vaccine mandate imposed by News Corp on Fox News. Every person lying to the American people who works there, all of them, are vaccinated.
The indifference of Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Rupert Murdoch, and Mark Zuckerberg to the death and suffering they have caused is evidence of their immorality and sociopathy.
Together they make $ Billions exploiting the gullibility of their audiences, but in the end it is not the money they love so much as the power. They love the power and control over our society they have established with the fetid blend of dishonest extremism they have advanced.
It’s time to take back control of our collective future from the worst of us. It’s time to end the madness.
I’d like to offer a couple of other thoughts around our great national hostage situation.
The overwhelming majority has been taken hostage by an unyielding and ignorant minority that refuses, through their selfishness and stupidity to allow the nation to crush the Pandemic and move on. They will cause an unnecessary third wave, kill tens of thousands, harm the economy and disrupt education for a third consecutive year. They scream about rights and repeat nonsense like, “but HIPPA” with comprehension levels similar to a Parrot.
We will never hear an utterance, from any of them, around concepts like responsibility and obligation as they invoke “rights” which don’t exist. What to do?
I just spent the last couple of weeks in Europe and I have some thoughts. Flying internationally required BOTH, proof of vaccination and a negative Covid test, specifically a PCR test taken within 48 hours of travel. All airlines required masks and the Czech airline mandated a Chinese made ventilator mask that…. Well, it sucked and I hated wearing it but since I wanted to go to Prague, I did.
The lines at the airport required patience as the agents reviewed all of the documentation. During the weeks I was gone the number of tourists increased each day and the speed of the agents in the airports seemed to increase as well. Personally, I recognize all of this is a pain in the *** and I wish it weren’t so, But alas, it is.
There is no right to go to concerts, football and basketball games. There is no right to fly and there is no inherent right to be able to play unvaccinated in the NFL.
The government should never force a needle into anyone’s arm (military doesn’t count) but those people should accept the consequences of their actions and the consequences mean they are the ones in constant quarantine. They can stay home, while the world opens for the rest of us. Their world can shrink to the footprints of their living spaces as their choice denies them access to their places of employment and privately owned public venues.
Eric Clapton calls this discrimination. It’s not. It’s about choices. Choose your choice. Clapton doesn’t have to play any venue he doesn’t want to. No venue can be forced to admit unvaccinated people, same goes for restaurants, airlines and sport venues.
Enough is enough with the bullshit and insanity.
Faced with the choice between a dramatically shrunken world and a safe and effective vaccine it will be amazing to witness how many people leave the stupid behind at the clinic door.
It is time for the majority, through the power of the private sector and the proper application of incentives to bring this to heel.
Lastly, there is a vaccine mandate imposed by News Corp on Fox News. Every person lying to the American people who works there, all of them, are vaccinated.
The indifference of Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Rupert Murdoch, and Mark Zuckerberg to the death and suffering they have caused is evidence of their immorality and sociopathy.
Together they make $ Billions exploiting the gullibility of their audiences, but in the end it is not the money they love so much as the power. They love the power and control over our society they have established with the fetid blend of dishonest extremism they have advanced.
It’s time to take back control of our collective future from the worst of us. It’s time to end the madness.
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Who is ignoring it? The purpose of VAERS reports is as an alert system. The reports are investigated, and if a causal link is found or suspected, a warning goes out (as it has in the case of the J&J clotting issue). You seem to be implying that CDC and FDA are either ignoring these reports or intentionally lying to people about them. I mean you're a rational person, do you really believe that?
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
www.cdc.gov
For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:
- Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
- Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
- To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
- CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
- Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
Who is ignoring it? The purpose of VAERS reports is as an alert system. The reports are investigated, and if a causal link is found or suspected, a warning goes out (as it has in the case of the J&J clotting issue). You seem to be implying that CDC and FDA are either ignoring these reports or intentionally lying to people about them. I mean you're a rational person, do you really believe that?
COVID-19 Vaccination
COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.
For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:
- Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
- Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 19, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.
- To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 324 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
- CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After 12.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 100 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 12. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
- Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
- Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 339 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.
The context of "ignoring" it, as I was attempting to use it, is it is not being reported. Not that the CDC is ignoring it.
You said "It is irresponsible to portray these numbers [VAERS} this way."
That's what I'm addressing. Everyone here is aware that the # of reports on VAERS doesn't necessarily directly correlate to the vaccines.
However, in the spirt with which we have been communicated with over the past 1.5 years about COVID, how these VAERS numbers are being reported compared to how COVID deaths/cases have been reported are vastly different.
On the one hand, with COVID, we have persistently been presented with false data. Just recently there was found an 11,000 deaths discrepancy between New York numbers, and Federal numbers for deaths in the state of NY. California counties reported 28% (I think that was the figure) discrepancies. We have been presented with daily death tickers, that were NOT factual. We have been told deaths that had nothing to do with COVID were counted as COVID deaths when a motorcycle was the cause of death. Those numbers have been over-inflated, over-pushed for a purpose.
Conversely, these VAERS numbers are basically like ghosts. The government and the media are not sharing this data ad nausea with the American public. There is no "national discussion" like they used to say about COVID and prevention. They are not shining a light on the risks to the degree they publicized the risks of COVID itself.
That is what I mean by ignoring it. Yes the CDC is studying the adverse events, as they always do. But Americans aren't being inundated with the amount of information they should be, IMHO.
Given that the # of adverse events reported with these vaccines is far greater than with other vaccines, again IMHO, it should be given a larger spotlight. It isn't getting the attention.
Yep thats the one i am trackingNovavax. Based in my hometown.
See you this fall. Can't wait!
Novavax COVID-19 vaccine 90.4% effective in clinical trial, company says
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial.
Novavax announced on Monday that its COVID-19 vaccine was found to be over 90% effective overall, and offered 100% protection against moderate and severe disease in a Phase 3 clinical trial. The company said it intends to file for FDA authorization in the third quarter.
"Today, Novavax is one step closer to addressing the critical and persistent global public health need for additional COVID-19 vaccines," Stanley C. Erck, Novavax’s president and CEO said in a statement. "These clinical results reinforce that NVX-CoV2373 is extremely effective and offers complete protection against both moderate and severe COVID-19 infection. Novavax continues to work with a sense of urgency to complete our regulatory submissions and deliver this vaccine, built on a well understood and proven platform, to a world that is still in great need of vaccines."....
...The vaccine also demonstrated over 93% efficacy against variants of concern and variants of interest that were detected through sequencing of confirmed cases in the trial....
....The study noted that no single adverse event term was reported by more than 1% of participants and that the most common local symptoms reported after dose one and dose two was injection site pain described as generally mild to moderate in severity and lasting less than three days. Fatigue, headache and muscle pain were also reported as lasting less than two days...
...The Phase 3 PREVENT-19 trial had enrolled nearly 30,000 participants ages 18 and older in the U.S. and Mexico...A trial involving adolescents ages 12-17 is ongoing.
...The company said that following approval, it remains "on track to reach manufacturing capacity of 100 million doses per month by the end of the third quarter and 150 million doses per month by the end of the fourth quarter of 2021."
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Just curious, you keep saying that the number of adverse events is far greater than with other vaccines, do you mean the rate? Obviously the numbers are going to be greater since so many people got the vaccines in a very short period of time. I have seen no data that shows that the rate of adverse events is much higher. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, it would not surprise me if reports were way more numerous given the fact that this is a highly publicized, highly controversial and new vaccine. I'm just saying I haven't been able to find that side by side comparison anywhere.
Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective against delta in Israel, but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization.
so why exactly is American data so at odds with every other country thats freely releasing data? Why is it we are told there is absolutely no severe cases … except the unvaccinated yet all these other countries are absolutely refuting that?
I agree we need more data, but our government is clearly steering people into this and absolutely not being totally truthful
its ok to say its not the end all for vaccines… few are… many still wil take it
now they are talking a mandatory flu shot too… its a rabbit hole that doesn’t have a great end… if not these, then eventually a vaccine will be mandated that is long term dangerous and they might cause serious complications for generations of people…
its not the right virus to be cutting all the corners…. And now these pharm companies see huge money in perpetual shots…
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What do you mean at odds? Perhaps 8-9% less effective at preventing hospitalization than US is reporting. And that is just against the delta variant. Our numbers are overall.Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective against delta in Israel, but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization.www.cnbc.com
so why exactly is American data so at odds with every other country thats freely releasing data? Why is it we are told there is absolutely no severe cases … except the unvaccinated yet all these other countries are absolutely refuting that?
I agree we need more data, but our government is clearly steering people into this and absolutely not being totally truthful
its ok to say its not the end all for vaccines… few are… many still wil take it
now they are talking a mandatory flu shot too… its a rabbit hole that doesn’t have a great end… if not these, then eventually a vaccine will be mandated that is long term dangerous and they might cause serious complications for generations of people…
its not the right virus to be cutting all the corners…. And now these pharm companies see huge money in perpetual shots…
What I have seen written in several outlets is that the # of adverse effects reported for these new vaccines combined is greater than all other vaccines combined over the past 20 or 30 years (I've seen both 20 and 30 years quoted).
I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Take this for what it is worth. I'm not saying I believe it. But I do believe we are not be told everything. The person making these claims is doing so under penalty of perjury.
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ANAHEIM, California, July 22, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) – A government related computer programmer, who works in health care data analytics, has made a declaration under penalty of perjury that according to medical claims submitted to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) there are “at least 45,000” vaccine-related deaths due to experimental COVID-19 vaccine injections.
This dramatic announcement was made earlier this week by Ohio-based attorney Thomas Renz, at Clay Clark's ReAwaken America Tour stop in Anaheim California. Renz remains a lead attorney in several major cases brought against federal agencies relating to fraud and violations of medical freedom rights.
“I’m filing papers in federal court today,” Renz said to the enthusiastic crowd. This filing is “based on a sworn declaration, under threat of perjury,” by a female expert whistleblower who attested “that there have been at least, 45,000 deaths from this vaccine.”
Further, these numbers are “based on how many people died within three days of the vaccine in just one system that is reporting to the federal government.”
Renz continued to explain, “there are reportedly around 11 or 12 systems that are reporting deaths and injuries to the government,” and his own estimation is that the real numbers are “immensely higher” than even the 45,000 deaths, even if he can’t immediately prove it.
According to the full data, of all reporting systems, Renz asked, “how many have really died? And why are they covering it up? These people are murdering people. This is complicity at a minimum. People need to be in jail.”
The filed motion was submitted on behalf of America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) against radically pro-abortion Xavier Becerra, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It is seeking “a preliminary injunction against Defendants enjoining them from continuing to authorize the emergency use of the so-called [‘vaccines’] ... and from granting full Food and Drug Administration (‘FDA’) approval for the Vaccines” related to the following three groups:
The filing describes “Jane Doe” as “a computer programmer with subject matter expertise in the healthcare data analytics field, and access to Medicare and Medicaid data maintained by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”
In her actual declaration, “Jane Doe” provides the following testimony:
AFLDS categorized the apparent and significant under-reported deaths as “shocking” and asserted “informed consent, which is required under the law, is impossible when safety data is so misleading.”
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America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) yesterday filed a motion seeking immediate injunctive relief in Alabama Federal District Court to stop Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the experimental COVID-19 injections for three groups of Americans.
A knowledgeable AFLDS source inside the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) stated that deaths occurring within 72 hours of COVID-19 shot injection are significantly underreported in the publicly-available VAERS database maintained by the Federal Drug Administration (FDA). “This is shocking,” the source said, “and informed consent, which is required under the law, is impossible when safety data is so misleading.” As of July 9th, reported deaths in VAERS totaled 10,991. Of those, 4,593 were within 72 hours of vaccination. The CDC source has provided a sworn statement that the actual number of deaths are conservatively five times higher, meaning that as of publication, we are approaching at least 55,000 vaccine-related deaths.
Bombshell lawsuit: Gov’t whistleblower says coronavirus vaccine deaths at least 45,000
‘I queried data … and have assessed that the deaths occurring within 3 days of vaccination are higher than those reported in VAERS by a factor of at least 5. This would indicate the true number of vaccine-related deaths was at least 45,000.’
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ANAHEIM, California, July 22, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) – A government related computer programmer, who works in health care data analytics, has made a declaration under penalty of perjury that according to medical claims submitted to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) there are “at least 45,000” vaccine-related deaths due to experimental COVID-19 vaccine injections.
This dramatic announcement was made earlier this week by Ohio-based attorney Thomas Renz, at Clay Clark's ReAwaken America Tour stop in Anaheim California. Renz remains a lead attorney in several major cases brought against federal agencies relating to fraud and violations of medical freedom rights.
“I’m filing papers in federal court today,” Renz said to the enthusiastic crowd. This filing is “based on a sworn declaration, under threat of perjury,” by a female expert whistleblower who attested “that there have been at least, 45,000 deaths from this vaccine.”
Further, these numbers are “based on how many people died within three days of the vaccine in just one system that is reporting to the federal government.”
Renz continued to explain, “there are reportedly around 11 or 12 systems that are reporting deaths and injuries to the government,” and his own estimation is that the real numbers are “immensely higher” than even the 45,000 deaths, even if he can’t immediately prove it.
According to the full data, of all reporting systems, Renz asked, “how many have really died? And why are they covering it up? These people are murdering people. This is complicity at a minimum. People need to be in jail.”
The filed motion was submitted on behalf of America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) against radically pro-abortion Xavier Becerra, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It is seeking “a preliminary injunction against Defendants enjoining them from continuing to authorize the emergency use of the so-called [‘vaccines’] ... and from granting full Food and Drug Administration (‘FDA’) approval for the Vaccines” related to the following three groups:
- Those under 18 years of age, who — as stated in an AFLDS press release — “are at statistically 0% risk of death from COVID-19,” while death and injury rates from these “vaccines,” in this demographic, remain, at the very least, highly disproportionate to any supposed benefit.
- All individuals who have recovered from COVID-19: “Natural immunity is superior to manufactured immunity. In addition, the vaccines can trigger a dangerous and deadly hyper-immune response in people with immunity”
- “Every other American who has not yet received informed consent, as defined by Federal law. It is unlawful, and unconstitutional, to administer experimental agents to individuals who cannot make an informed decision as to the true benefits and risks of the vaccines.”
The filing describes “Jane Doe” as “a computer programmer with subject matter expertise in the healthcare data analytics field, and access to Medicare and Medicaid data maintained by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”
In her actual declaration, “Jane Doe” provides the following testimony:
AFLDS categorized the apparent and significant under-reported deaths as “shocking” and asserted “informed consent, which is required under the law, is impossible when safety data is so misleading.”
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AFLDS suit seeks to immediately revoke emergency COVID vaccine use based on disturbing new mortality data
America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) yesterday filed a motion seeking immediate injunctive relief in Alabama Federal District Court to stop Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the experimental COVID-19 injections for three groups of Americans.
A knowledgeable AFLDS source inside the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) stated that deaths occurring within 72 hours of COVID-19 shot injection are significantly underreported in the publicly-available VAERS database maintained by the Federal Drug Administration (FDA). “This is shocking,” the source said, “and informed consent, which is required under the law, is impossible when safety data is so misleading.” As of July 9th, reported deaths in VAERS totaled 10,991. Of those, 4,593 were within 72 hours of vaccination. The CDC source has provided a sworn statement that the actual number of deaths are conservatively five times higher, meaning that as of publication, we are approaching at least 55,000 vaccine-related deaths.