Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Cases weren't rising, at the time cases were dropping. Likewise, I didn't say it was over. I've said we will always have COVID. I've encouraged you to look up the word endemic.

Yes, they were rising. The seven day average cases hit a low (since March 2020) on June 21st at 11,238 cases. Since then they’ve been rising. You’re either ill informed or don’t recognize trends, or both.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yes, they were rising. The seven day average cases hit a low (since March 2020) on June 21st at 11,238 cases. Since then they’ve been rising. You’re either ill informed or don’t recognize trends, or both.

Two weeks ago, we were at the bottom of that bubble. Spot a....trend?



Right the moment, even with the rises in cases, deaths are at a low level. That is where we are.

7-day deaths average: 275

Still 38% of where we were 60 days ago.

These are the deaths. Spot a trend?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Two weeks ago, we were at the bottom of that bubble. Spot a....trend?

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Right the moment, even with the rises in cases, deaths are at a low level. That is where we are.

7-day deaths average: 275

Still 38% of where we were 60 days ago.

These are the deaths. Spot a trend?

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I’m not good with these things but …..it’s going down down down. It’s going down.

 

[Troglodyte]

Two weeks ago, we were at the bottom of that bubble. Spot a....trend?

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Right the moment, even with the rises in cases, deaths are at a low level. That is where we are.

7-day deaths average: 275

Still 38% of where we were 60 days ago.

These are the deaths. Spot a trend?

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If you pay attention to the stats and not just a graph (of over 400 data points, mind you) you notice subtle but significant changes. Cases, hospitalizations and deaths level off before they rise (or fall). Again, do you now think I was being clairvoyant weeks ago when I said cases were rising?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If you pay attention to the stats and not just a graph (of over 400 stat points, mind you) you notice subtle but significant data. Cases, hospitalizations and deaths level off before they rise (or fall). Again, do you now think I was being clairvoyant weeks ago when I said cases were rising?

Subtle but significant LMAO. You won't accept massive data thrown in your face, now you want to spin and dance and ask about day to day changes?? They are called 7 day averages for a reason. LOL

I have provided you so much data you can't interpret - that a 2nd grader could. Weeks ago, we were at, for weeks, the lowest cases we'd seen since the beginning of the pandemic. Despite showing you data and graphs, you insisted none of that was true.

Now, you spin to saying you predicted it was going to change. Good ******* lord. Asshat...flu cases are going to rise this winter. I'm Nostradamus!

Delta variant has been spreading. Everyone knew it was coming. We knew we would see a rise in cases. Again, for the 19th time, the ultimate measure is deaths. Until deaths rise "noticeably", I'm not concerned. There is no need to be. This isn't ebola.

It's actually ******* hysterical to watch you rooting for COVID and how immature about it you can be. We were experiencing over 300K cases per day in January and over 4,000 deaths. In early June/July we were below 10,000 cases and under 200 deaths a day. Yet you scream about cases rising now.

It escapes you to compare where we are right now to where we were:

On January 8, we had 305,000 cases and 4,030 deaths.
Yesterday we had 37,000 cases and 146 deaths.

That's respectively 12% of the cases on January 8 and 4% of the deaths.

Yet you're all screaming and yelling about it being a RAGING INFERNO.

Where we are now remains a very, very good place to be compared to last year and even January of this year. You fail to even recognize it was quite literally 10x worse just 6 months ago.

It's no longer a question you are rooting for COVID. Chilling.

 

[Badcat]

Get a clue. Missouri, Florida, Louisiana and Arkansas would gladly switch places with California.

No, they wouldn't. Not at all. They live in a State of freedom not a cesspool ruled by tryanny and neglect.

 

[Troglodyte]

Subtle but significant LMAO. You won't accept massive data thrown in your face, now you want to spin and dance and ask about day to day changes?? They are called 7 day averages for a reason. LOL

I have provided you so much data you can't interpret - that a 2nd grader could. Weeks ago, we were at, for weeks, the lowest cases we'd seen since the beginning of the pandemic. Despite showing you data and graphs, you insisted none of that was true.

Now, you spin to saying you predicted it was going to change. Good ******* lord. Asshat...flu cases are going to rise this winter. I'm Nostradamus!

Delta variant has been spreading. Everyone knew it was coming. We knew we would see a rise in cases. Again, for the 19th time, the ultimate measure is deaths. Until deaths rise "noticeably", I'm not concerned. There is no need to be. This isn't ebola.

It's actually ******* hysterical to watch you rooting for COVID and how immature about it you can be. We were experiencing over 300K cases per day in January and over 4,000 deaths. In early June/July we were below 10,000 cases and under 200 deaths a day. Yet you scream about cases rising now.

It escapes you to compare where we are right now to where we were:

On January 8, we had 305,000 cases and 4,030 deaths.
Yesterday we had 37,000 cases and 146 deaths.

That's respectively 12% of the cases on January 8 and 4% of the deaths.

Yet you're all screaming and yelling about it being a RAGING INFERNO.

Where we are now remains a very, very good place to be compared to last year and even January of this year. You fail to even recognize it was quite literally 10x worse just 6 months ago.

It's no longer a question you are rooting for COVID. Chilling.

We are discussing the CURRENT TREND in late July, and you bring up early January. WTF?

The RELEVANT trend is that the CURRENT average new daily cases are now 5 TIMES HIGHER than they were ONE MONTH AGO.

I am vaccinated and encouraging others to get vaccinated, YOU are not. I’m accepting the REALITY that Covid is CURRENTLY spreading especially in UNVACCINATED areas. YOU are downplaying and spinning the spread. Who is rooting for Covid?

 

[Troglodyte]

No, they wouldn't. Not at all. They live in a State of freedom not a cesspool ruled by tryanny and neglect.

Freedom to deny science. Freedom to not exercise common sense…

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

We are discussing the CURRENT TREND in late July, and you bring up early January. WTF?

The RELEVANT trend is that the CURRENT average new daily cases are now 5 TIMES HIGHER than they were ONE MONTH AGO.

I am vaccinated and encouraging others to get vaccinated, YOU are not. I’m accepting the REALITY that Covid is CURRENTLY spreading especially in UNVACCINATED areas. YOU are downplaying and spinning the spread. Who is rooting for Covid?

Do you ever stick to a point? One single point?

Flogged: "Weeks ago we were seeing cases rise."

TSF: Provides graph showing that weeks ago we were at the lowest cases level we have seen since COVID hit our shores and took off.

Flogged: Yes they were

January matters fuckstick because that's when we saw some of the worst of COVID. Where we are now matters. It's called a comparison. That was bad then. Now? Not even ******* close.

We have 12% of the cases, 4% of the deaths now as compared to January.

THE relevant trend is deaths. Always will be for any virus. If and when it becomes a bad trend again, then we have reason for concern.

You engangelize all you want for the vaccines. You aren't changing a mind here, not one single one. I have my vaccine plan, the rest of my family is naturally immune, and not one of us is putting an mRNA vax in our bodies.

So **** off with your evangelism.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Freedom to deny science. Freedom to not exercise common sense…

Calling something science doesn't just make it so. Just because the Gubmint tells you "it's safe" doesn't make it so.

Doctors follow science do they not?

Then explain how 250,00 Americans die a year from medical malpractice.

People choosing to wait for tried/true normally tested vaccines are quintessential examples of using common sense, defined as "sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts."

We know that the way vaccines are developed historically is generally safe and we wait on one coming in a mere couple of months. We know quite little about these vaccines. We have seen an alarming number of adverse effects to these vaccines, definitely not nearly as safe as others. We use prudent judgment considering these facts to wait for the Novavax vaccine.

Perfect use of common sense.

 

[Badcat]

Freedom to deny science. Freedom to not exercise common sense…

You see, this is the bullshit liberal mindset. You use the word "freedom" like it's gum on the bottom of your shoe. We, as Americans, are free to research and QUESTION the science and make an informed decision. The unvaccinated aren't denying the science at all, we're weighing the decision of injecting our bodies with an experimental vaccine. THAT is common sense. Blindly trusting science and your Government is not common sense at all. If you believe that it is, then read about the Swine Flu vaccine or what experiments were run on the Tuskegee Airman.

The fact that you feel unvaccinated Americans should be rounded up, marched into clinics and vaccinated against their free will shows that you support a fascist mindset. It's really rather disturbing.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Hey get the poke and you can take off your mask- ok. Done. Wait put that **** back on.

hey get the poke and we can open up - ok done. Wait we going to shut down again.

hey get the poke and you won’t get covid - ok done. Wait we didn’t say it’s 100%.

hey get the poke and we can vote in person again. Ok done. Wait the midterms are coming up it’s too dangerous.

 

[madinsomniac]

 

[madinsomniac]

So basically experimental vaccines sometimes have unexpected results…. Like accidentally making the spread worse rather than better…

at this point they probably should just let delta spread and deal with the after effects… it will effectively burn itself out as any virus does through natural immunity… the mrna stuff needs more work…

 

[Troglodyte]

You see, this is the bullshit liberal mindset. You use the word "freedom" like it's gum on the bottom of your shoe. We, as Americans, are free to research and QUESTION the science and make an informed decision. The unvaccinated aren't denying the science at all, we're weighing the decision of injecting our bodies with an experimental vaccine. THAT is common sense. Blindly trusting science and your Government is not common sense at all. If you believe that it is, then read about the Swine Flu vaccine or what experiments were run on the Tuskegee Airman.

The fact that you feel unvaccinated Americans should be rounded up, marched into clinics and vaccinated against their free will shows that you support a fascist mindset. It's really rather disturbing.

Uh yeah, turns out those states I mentioned are having a come to Jesus moment with Covid. So much for “freedom”.

Vaccinations rise in some states with soaring infections

Vaccinations are beginning to rise in some states where COVID-19 cases are soaring, White House officials said Thursday in a sign that the summer surge is getting the attention of vaccine-hesitant Americans as hospitals in the South are being overrun with patients.

apnews.com

 

[IndySteel]

Yossi Gestetner

@YossiGestetner
“CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others.” - NBC.

 

[Troglodyte]

Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
“CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said recent studies had shown that those vaccinated individuals who do become infected with Covid have just as much viral load as the unvaccinated, making it possible for them to spread the virus to others.” - NBC.

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All the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?

 

[Badcat]

Uh yeah, turns out those states I mentioned are having a come to Jesus moment with Covid. So much for “freedom”.

Vaccinations rise in some states with soaring infections

Vaccinations are beginning to rise in some states where COVID-19 cases are soaring, White House officials said Thursday in a sign that the summer surge is getting the attention of vaccine-hesitant Americans as hospitals in the South are being overrun with patients.

apnews.com

With a death rate this low, I'll take my chances. Let freedom ring mutha fucka!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Hey get the poke and you can take off your mask- ok. Done. Wait put that **** back on.

hey get the poke and we can open up - ok done. Wait we going to shut down again.

hey get the poke and you won’t get covid - ok done. Wait we didn’t say it’s 100%.

hey get the poke and we can vote in person again. Ok done. Wait the midterms are coming up it’s too dangerous.

Must steal

 

[coupon]

Quick question: Does everyone here believe & trust that the force of Gravity exists here on Earth?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

All the more reason to get vaccinated, isn’t it?

Just more evidence that the vaccines really don't appear to be doing the job they were designed to do huh?

I guess this worldwide human-virus project continues. Must say it's quite interesting to sit back and watch it unfold.

 

[Steelworth]

Hey get the poke and you can take off your mask- ok. Done. Wait put that **** back on.

hey get the poke and we can open up - ok done. Wait we going to shut down again.

hey get the poke and you won’t get covid - ok done. Wait we didn’t say it’s 100%.

hey get the poke and we can vote in person again. Ok done. Wait the midterms are coming up it’s too dangerous.

 

[madinsomniac]

Quick question: Does everyone here believe & trust that the force of Gravity exists here on Earth?

Of course… i can drop an object and watch it fall, do the math and see that the rates match what’s been said for hundreds of years… we can go to space and see that not react the same way. We can use rotational force to experiment with it and get undisputed results… thats why its a scientific law…

theoretical science is a different can of worms … ive seen engineers spend years trying to get theoretical processes to work and be thwarted by unexpected issues from chemical or physical problems they couldn’t anticipate…

Until you have a lot of data over a decent period of time its hard to be absolutely certain of things scientifically…

 

[madinsomniac]

If one of the experimental vaccines does have long term ill effects, im going to be very interested in the spin people put on it…

 

[Badcat]

Quick question: Does everyone here believe & trust that the force of Gravity exists here on Earth?

...I'm still wondering why I could get a water proof Casio watch from K-Mart in 1983 but 38 years later the most technologically advanced smart watches aren't even water resistant. I mean, you gather a bunch of Geeks in a room who are so worried about 1's and 0's they forgot about H20.