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Covid Vaccine

I think mandates and passports are only going to make people dig their heels in further. What we need is education. That said it's not "segregation" by race, any black person who wants a vaccine can get one. They are free and readily available.

Yeah I didn't get the segregation comment either, it's free and readily available for all.
 
The cdc estimates that 120 million people have had the virus in the us alone… it may be higher than that based on newer information…
I believe it is more than that. A new study came out that I posted today showing that last year after the first 6 months, 5x the number of confirmed infected were also infected. That puts the naturally immune number over 150M.
 
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I have my own personal experiment brewing. Details to follow. Stay tuned.
 
This has nothing to do with my own personal experiment, but WHOOPS. Lambda gonna maybe render the hundreds of millions of vaccines obsolete.


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According to Japanese researchers, the Lambda variant of the COVID-19, which was first identified in Peru and is now spreading throughout South America, is more infectious and resistant to vaccines than the original version of the virus that emerged from Wuhan, China.

In Lab, researchers discovered that three mutations in Lambda’s spike protein, known as RSYLTPGD246-253N, 260 L452Q, and F490S, help it resist neutralisation by vaccine-induced antibodies. They discovered that two additional mutations, T76I and L452Q, contribute to Lambda’s high infectiousness.

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Those conspiracy theorists here said that the lab-engineered virus was designed to mutate and become resistant to vaccines...once again, on to something.


Seriously, I'm not suggesting anyone run out and grab a case of COVID, but if you have had it, thank your lucky stars for natural immunity. Those with it, studies show...your Tcell and Bcells help you fight variants that the vaxes probably do not.

How many different boosters will the vaxed community need?
 
Isn’t this the very reason we don’t have a vaccine against the common cold and the reason the flu vaccine is usually less than 50% effective? this shouldn’t be a real surprise to everyone. We will be getting a COVID vaccine included in the flu vaccine that si based on best guesses yearly I would imagine. I don’t see one vaccine covering all the mutations just like with the flu.
How, exactly, did the vaccines all get to Phase 3 clinicals without the normal pre-clinicals, Phase 1 and Phase 2 clinicals?
Generally, they used the same flu vaccine apparatus, different variant.
If this all sounds like it is familiar, well it should, because......drum roll please.....

its the flu, bro

Sure, it was more scary for a while, but if governments had just been honest and said
" it seems to be like a bad flu, with two main differences: it is bad for fat folks but doesn't affect kids as much as normal flus" wouldn't a lot of people have acted very differently for the past 18 months?
 
Still waiting for the gubmint to shut the world down due to the Cancer. It's killin' lots o' folks.
And medical malpractice.
 
its the flu, bro

Sure, it was more scary for a while, but if governments had just been honest and said
" it seems to be like a bad flu, with two main differences: it is bad for fat folks but doesn't affect kids as much as normal flus" wouldn't a lot of people have acted very differently for the past 18 months?
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Can we get a poll going for the next “big strain” name after delta goes away? I’m going with I. Ivan.

Omega - the end.

100% mortality, where the vaccines have zero effect. None. Beijing Joe takes command by wandering around without pants, mumbling, "Get the vaccine. Get the vaccine."

Kinda like today.
 

BOSTON (SHNS) – One hundred of the nearly 4.3 million people fully vaccinated in Massachusetts have died of COVID-19, a rate of 0.002 percent, according to state data on breakthrough cases published Tuesday.

The Department of Public Health tracked a cumulative 7,737 confirmed COVID-19 infections among those fully vaccinated in the Bay State as of Saturday, July 31, representing 0.18 percent of the immunized population. Saturday’s cumulative count reflects an increase of 1,364 breakthrough cases over July 24. That accounts for a bit more than 30 percent of all new cases confirmed in the one-week span.
Since the first residents became fully vaccinated in January, DPH has counted 395 immunized residents hospitalized with COVID-19 cases and 100 who died from the virus. Those numbers include 34 new breakthrough hospitalizations and nine additional deaths among those fully vaccinated tracked in the past week.

Overall case numbers have been on the rise in Massachusetts and nationwide for weeks as the more infectious Delta variant spreads, including among those who are fully vaccinated, but health experts have repeatedly stressed that vaccinations reduce the risk of serious injury or death in the rare breakthrough cases.
DPH previously released data on breakthrough infections in response to records requests, and on Tuesday it published those figures for the first time as part of the vaccination report it releases every weekday. The department said it plans to continue including updated breakthrough numbers in Tuesday vaccination reports.

Mind you, the overall death rate from confirmed covid cases in Massachusetts is about 2.5%. So that is is gargantuan reduction in death rates among the vaccinated.

Not to mention, based on how other states are recording deaths, there is no differentiation between people that are vaccinated and die FROM Covid vs. those that die WITH Covid. One of my employees mom had stage 4 lung cancer, was vaccinated in December, went into the hospital in June due to respiratory issues from cancer. She was placed on a vent after 3 days and the family was told she would not recover. She contracted Covid sometime after that while in the hospital. She passed away 7 days later. The cause of death was listed as Sars-Cov-2. We may never really know how many people truly died because of Covid and how many died while having Covid.
 
So my next question would be - why aren't all Covid-infected patients receiving this treatment if it was so effective for a morbidly obese 74-year old?
Partly because the experience of one individual does not mean effectiveness on a larger scale. The very same reason that people are using for not getting vaccinated is now a reason for people to push therapeutics based on individual results. My wife works with an IT Manager that weighs close to 400lbs, eats Taco Bell and Hardees 6 days a week, has diabetes, and is on insulin. He caught Covid last year, had what amounts to a head cold for about 4 days, and was back to normal within a week. So should nobody be given any therapeutics at all based on his experience? I honestly believe that we will find out that this virus was genetically modified and is affecting a certain gene in people that have it. There is almost no way to explain the randomness of seriousness illness and death that the virus is causing without it being at the genetic/DNA level.
 
Much like the WHO and the CDC and Flog and the LA Times and the WashPO and CNN if we are to put it all out there. Everything we are fed is full of misinformation, twists, lies. It is up to us to either accept it or sift through it.
And down the rabbit hole he goes - the widespread reporting is massive conspiracy. What a maddening reality you must suffer through.
 
And down the rabbit hole he goes - the widespread reporting is massive conspiracy. What a maddening reality you must suffer through.

For years now, I've pictured Tim being a guy with all his curtains drawn, door bolted with 14 locks of various shapes & sizes, constantly looking over his shoulder, his head on a swivel, just freaked out and paranoid most of his waking hours. Have no idea how someone can exist being this ******* suspicious and distrusting of the world around him. Maybe something traumatic happened during his childhood, that would go a long way in explaining his current condition. Steeltime is on an even higher, more extreme level of paranoia. That's an entirely different matter and diagnosis, best left in the hands of professionals.
 
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For years now, I've pictured Tim being a guy with all his curtains drawn, door bolted with 14 locks of various shapes & sizes, constantly looking over his shoulder, his head on a swivel, just freaked out and paranoid most of his waking hours. Have no idea how someone can exist being this ******* suspicious and distrusting of the world around him. Maybe something traumatic happened during his childhood, that would go a long way in explaining his current condition. Steeltime is on an even higher, more extreme level of paranoia. That's an entirely different matter and diagnosis, best left in the hands of professionals.
I almost wrote “I’m amazed you ever leave your house”.

 
And down the rabbit hole he goes - the widespread reporting is massive conspiracy. What a maddening reality you must suffer through.

And what it must be like to be a blind lemming, believing everything you're told. Listening to and believing lies you're fed and nodding obediently, yes sir...yes sir. Yes today masks works, no tomorrow they don't.

I will admit, it is easier to be a lemming than to critically think. It's easy and lazy to believe Fauci is a saint for instance. It takes critical thought and energy to follow the man's words, statements, deeds over time to realize how disingenuous and deceitful he is.

It is much easier to be a follower.

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Trust me I'm happy to stand on the side I'm on. The side that said this was a lab developed virus, that masks don't work, that this wasn't as deadly as they were making it out to be, that predicted, that if you defund the police crime will rise, that if you make petty theft legal petty theft will rise, and that there aren't 59 genders.

Keep drinking Floggio.

iu
 
For years now, I've pictured Tim being a guy with all his curtains drawn, door bolted with 14 locks of various shapes & sizes, constantly looking over his shoulder, his head on a swivel, just freaked out and paranoid most of his waking hours. Have no idea how someone can exist being this ******* suspicious and distrusting of the world around him. Maybe something traumatic happened during his childhood, that would go a long way in explaining his current condition. Steeltime is on an even higher, more extreme level of paranoia. That's an entirely different matter and diagnosis, best left in the hands of professionals.

That's comical Tiblio, coming from the boy who hides under his bed.

But good Alinsky **** at play there. Accuse your opponent of that which you are guilty of.

I'm living my life, not living in a bubble like you and Flog. I'm back to eating out 2-3 times a week. Last night my family ate in a restaurant packed to the gills on a Wednesday night, not a mask in sight. I spent 3 days at Ohio State a few weeks ago pretending I was a teenager again, partying with my kid. The first night, we went to 3 bars, and a surprise birthday party for him at his fraternity. The next, 3 more bars, one so packed you couldn't move and as the DJ played his music the floor upstairs was literally shaking up and down. I've been to Ohio State twice this year, my youngest son's university twice and about to go back for four more days. We cook out, we host, we travel, we live.

We don't hide under our beds behind a wall.

I'm just a critical thinker. And when you are one and you're confronted with sheeple lemmings, who believe in 59 genders and global warming, it's literally like banging your head against a wall. But I love a battle, so I engage. And you're easy prey, so I always engage.

Keep coming back will ya?
 
Great article by Victor. Many of you have seen him on TV before, a distinguished Fellow from Stanford. Brilliant dude. Really good article.

@oneforthebus, I think you'd like this. It speaks to all of the poor, confusing messaging that the WH and the Government have driven, leading to this present great divide on vaccines.


A good excerpt:

No matter. The media-government fusion now blame-gamed unvaccinated “super-spreaders” for sometimes infecting those already vaccinated—as if the over 100 million adults still not fully vaccinated were red-state rubes who packed honky-tonk bars and motorcycle rallies.

Yet the reality was quite different.

Last summer over 1,000 medical providers had given blanket exemptions solely to BLM protestors, dangerously to mass in the streets for weeks on end to demonstrate.
Currently, two million illegal aliens are scheduled to cross the southern border in the next year—with legal impunity, but without vaccinations, or COVID-19 tests, or lectures from Washington.

A recent breakout of COVID-19, among even the vaccinated in Provincetown, Massachusetts, was not due to alt-right Neanderthals. It was attributable to the annual gay pride celebrations where some thousands of partiers swarmed bars, clubs, restaurants, and hotels.

Former President Barack Obama was scheduled to host 500 guests and 200 staffers at his Martha’s Vineyard estate—when the government was again insisting masks be worn almost everywhere.

Don’t look to COVID-19 czar Dr. Fauci to clear things up. He has already confessed he had lied about masks and herd immunity—allegedly for the people’s own good. Fauci still denies he helped fund dangerous gain-of-function viral research at the Wuhan virology lab—at ground zero of the later coronavirus pandemic.

If the Biden Administration cannot vaccinate half of America, or assure vaccinated Americans that COVID-19 mutants won’t seriously hurt them or rekindle the earlier pandemic, then it might first look in the mirror before casting stones at others.
 
Partly because the experience of one individual does not mean effectiveness on a larger scale. The very same reason that people are using for not getting vaccinated is now a reason for people to push therapeutics based on individual results. My wife works with an IT Manager that weighs close to 400lbs, eats Taco Bell and Hardees 6 days a week, has diabetes, and is on insulin. He caught Covid last year, had what amounts to a head cold for about 4 days, and was back to normal within a week. So should nobody be given any therapeutics at all based on his experience? I honestly believe that we will find out that this virus was genetically modified and is affecting a certain gene in people that have it. There is almost no way to explain the randomness of seriousness illness and death that the virus is causing without it being at the genetic/DNA level.


Bingo! It's a lab virus. I guarantee they're working on weapons that will only affect certain bloodlines and genetics. Of course the Chinese would be safe by design.

Now if you could encrypt that virus and you are the only ones who possess the key. You win the planet.

I know this may be hypothetical, but I'm looking at it from the perspective of a communist country who wants to dominate the world.
 
And what it must be like to be a blind lemming, believing everything you're told. Listening to and believing lies you're fed and nodding obediently, yes sir...yes sir. Yes today masks works, no tomorrow they don't.

I will admit, it is easier to be a lemming than to critically think. It's easy and lazy to believe Fauci is a saint for instance. It takes critical thought and energy to follow the man's words, statements, deeds over time to realize how disingenuous and deceitful he is.

It is much easier to be a follower.

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Trust me I'm happy to stand on the side I'm on. The side that said this was a lab developed virus, that masks don't work, that this wasn't as deadly as they were making it out to be, that predicted, that if you defund the police crime will rise, that if you make petty theft legal petty theft will rise, and that there aren't 59 genders.

Keep drinking Floggio.

iu
You’re not a critical thinker, Tim. Your willingness to latch on to seemingly explosive yet singularly reported stories proves that. Critical thinkers question and seek to verify reports with multiple sources. You resort to nonsensical statistical distortion of facts that support them. You are essentially claiming that news organizations that compete against each other for ratings are also conspiring to report the same false narrative. Nonsense.
 
Critical thinkers question and seek to verify reports with multiple sources.

Which is quite literally what I do here and quite literally what you never do. In fact, until you were mandated to do so, you never referred to sources at all. You just repeat what the media tells you to think.

You are essentially claiming that news organizations that compete against each other for ratings are also conspiring to report the same false narrative. Nonsense.

I'm not claiming that. That is established fact.


JournoList’s members included dozens of straight-news reporters from major news organizations, including Time, Newsweek, The Associated Press, Reuters, The Washington Post, The New York Times, Politico, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, PBS and a large NPR affiliate in California.

Also included were numerous A-list columnists and top editors. Beyond the higher-ranking members were hundreds of lesser figures, many from Washington’s liberal magazines that have long served as a stable of talent from which mainstream media organizations grab talented young writers.


It still happens, just in other means.

This is why...and you can find the video montage clips out there...you see media organizations repeat the exact same talking points on different networks all day long. Literally almost word for word you will hear CNN, PMSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, the LA Times, the WashPO....all of them...use the same spin when a new story comes out about Xiden fondling a woman, or how they spin a disastrous jobs report.

It's not coincidence.

The fact that you believe otherwise only confirms that you're not a critical thinker, your eyes are closed, and you are their perfect lemming.
 
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