Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Yeah no.

The article you posted was not a scientific paper. It was a puff piece article that is essentially propaganda.

So everyone is lying?

Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Are Not ‘Gene Therapy,’ As Some Are Claiming

Here are the differences between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines and gene therapy.

www.forbes.com

Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.

www.reuters.com

Chance That COVID-19 Vaccines Are Gene Therapy? 'Zero'

Much of the misinformation surrounding vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna involve fear that they will alter our genes. But the science shows there is "zero" chance of that happening.

www.webmd.com

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I believe people should have a choice, but I'm not sure in this instance people are making their choices based on valid information or for the right reasons.

All of this has been politicized to a gross extent, and getting info from social media probably isn't a good idea as it applies to anything, not just issues of public health.

Most Americans who are going to get vaccinated voluntarily have already done it. Those who refuse, however, are going to have to deal with the potential consequences of that choice.

You cannot have it both ways.

I respect your right to express your opinion, so here is mine. I agree this has become politicized, and in the process the public has been treated like mushrooms.
Wait, even that isn't correct, we have been given information presented as factual one day, and proven to be false the next, replaced by the new factual data.
We know this vaccine may provide limited benefits to those most vulnerable, but isn't the panacea promoted by the talking heads screaming anti-vaxers on a daily basis.

This virus, because of it's makeup, think common cold, isn't going away, and because this is still America, I think, people should have the right to make their own decision about this.

I chose to get the vaccine because of my age, with the data, and my physician, providing me with information to make that decision.

People with certain health conditions, GBS for example, would be wise to avoid it.

And while I no longer have school age children, the data now available tells me the risk/benefit ratio says leave those kids alone.

 

[Troglodyte]

Tibs, what are the odds of that happening for the unvaccinated? Seriously, give me the odds. Then we will discuss this.

The odds are much higher than being in a fatal car accident, isn’t it strange we don’t have people protesting seatbelt laws?

 

[DBS1970]

So everyone is lying?

Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Are Not ‘Gene Therapy,’ As Some Are Claiming

Here are the differences between the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines and gene therapy.

www.forbes.com

Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes

Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.

www.reuters.com

Chance That COVID-19 Vaccines Are Gene Therapy? 'Zero'

Much of the misinformation surrounding vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna involve fear that they will alter our genes. But the science shows there is "zero" chance of that happening.

www.webmd.com

Pretty much.

AGAIN.

this is not a vaccine that works through a weakened or killed form of the virus to confer immunity. This treatment uses mRNA I to change your body’s immune response. This is why they are lying to you when they tell you it is a vaccine it is not a vaccine. Moreover if you do a little research like I have into the problems with this type of treatment you will find out all about why you should be skeptical of taking this experimental treatment. Moreover a readily available empirical data source about how dangerous this treatment is is available on VAERS. More deaths and serious reactions from this vaccine in a few months than all of the other vaccines combined in 20 years. But then those other vaccines are actual vaccines not experimental gene treatments. Take it if you want to but stop trying to force other people to take it and stop trying to use a virus with a .03% chance of mortality to justify Tyranny.

 

[Troglodyte]

No pediatric ICU beds left in Dallas amid COVID surge, county judge says

"Your child will wait for another child to die," Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said Friday.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The odds are much higher than being in a fatal car accident, isn’t it strange we don’t have people protesting seatbelt laws?

That is a total lie. The odds of dying from Covid are 1 in 150 or higher if all cases are accounted for. The odds of dying in car wreck are 1 in 107. Stop the bullshit fear mongering and outright lies.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

No pediatric ICU beds left in Dallas amid COVID surge, county judge says

"Your child will wait for another child to die," Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said Friday.

www.cbsnews.com

“hospital staffing shortages in the area may be in part to blame.” They never actually say it is due to Covid patients. They only speculate. Once again stop the bullshit!
My daughters floor at her hospital has lost 2/3rds of their nurses and may have to shut down her unit due to nurse shortages. They are requiring the vaccine and nurses are leaving in droves. The places not requiring it are getting fully staffed.

 

[Punxsutawney]

If you want to take an experimental vaccinego “vaccine” that is really an unproved gene therapy go right ahead. But don’t try to use a virus with a .03% chance of mortality to push Tyranny on the rest of us.

Tyranny? Exaggerate much?

No one is going to hold you down and jab you against your will. You can rest assured of that.

There is a big gap between dying from COVID and having mild to no symptoms from it.

Despite "surviving", I imagine spending days in the ICE feeling like you're drowning isn't very pleasant, and there is a considerably higher chance of that happening than dying from COVID, especially if you're over 40.

Something like that can strongly be prevented with a shot or two.

I do not agree with the decision to not get vaccinated, but I'm not going to pound on people who make it, especially considering the vaccines are not overly effective at preventing transmission.

 

[Troglodyte]

Pretty much.

AGAIN.

this is not a vaccine that works through a weakened or killed form of the virus to confer immunity. This treatment uses mRNA I to change your body’s immune response. This is why they are lying to you when they tell you it is a vaccine it is not a vaccine. Moreover if you do a little research like I have into the problems with this type of treatment you will find out all about why you should be skeptical of taking this experimental treatment. Moreover a readily available empirical data source about how dangerous this treatment is is available on VAERS. More deaths and serious reactions from this vaccine in a few months than all of the other vaccines combined in 20 years. But then those other vaccines are actual vaccines not experimental gene treatments. Take it if you want to but stop trying to force other people to take it and stop trying to use a virus with a .03% chance of mortality to justify Tyranny.

I’m not forcing anyone to do anything, I’m just debunking misinformation and myths.

COVID-19 Vaccines: Myth Versus Fact

Two of our experts review some common myths circulating about the vaccine and clear up confusion with reliable facts.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

5 Covid-19 vaccine myths debunked

Epidemiologist experts explain some of the most common COVID-19 vaccine misconceptions.

news.fiu.edu

 

[Steeltime]

Tyranny? Exaggerate much?

No one is going to hold you down and jab you against your will. You can rest assured of that.

Like we were assured:

• A 15-day lockdown was needed to "flatten the curve."
• And Beijing Joe was NOT going to mandate taking the virus.
• And the vaccine would "end the pandemic."
• And masks don't work in preventing the spread of the Chinese flu, before the announcement that ...
• Masks work in preventing the spread of the Chinese flu.
• And the lab-leak theory had zero scientific basis, before the announcement that ...
• The lab leak theory was as likely as zoonotic (natural) occurrence, before the announcement that ...
• The virus probably came from a lab.
• And the infection numbers in Texas were accurate.
• And the infection numbers in Florida were accurate.
• And the deaths attributed to the Chinese flu are legitimate.
• And that keeping schools closed was based on medicine, not teacher's unions.
• And that leaders would "follow the science," except of course when the science applied to THEM.

Like that, you mean? The problem that public health officials have in convincing the public of anything is the fact they have been so contradictory and have repeatedly been caught flat-out lying to us.

Oh, and you mockingly refer to "holding you down" to inject the vaccine.

And say not a word, not a syllable, about people getting fired, or denied access to public events, or denied in-person schooling.

Those are okay, I guess.

 

[Punxsutawney]

I respect your right to express your opinion, so here is mine. I agree this has become politicized, and in the process the public has been treated like mushrooms.
Wait, even that isn't correct, we have been given information presented as factual one day, and proven to be false the next, replaced by the new factual data.
We know this vaccine may provide limited benefits to those most vulnerable, but isn't the panacea promoted by the talking heads screaming anti-vaxers on a daily basis.

This virus, because of it's makeup, think common cold, isn't going away, and because this is still America, I think, people should have the right to make their own decision about this.

I chose to get the vaccine because of my age, with the data, and my physician, providing me with information to make that decision.

People with certain health conditions, GBS for example, would be wise to avoid it.

And while I no longer have school age children, the data now available tells me the risk/benefit ratio says leave those kids alone.

I just do not see the downsides in getting it.

Pretty much every medication or vaccine out there has potential sides effects associated with it. There is nothing I've seen from the COVID vaccines to suggest it's anything out of the ordinary in that regard.

I think most people in the hesitant camp pretty much made up their minds on the vaccines before they or the details of how they work became widely available.

If people were skeptical of the public response to COVID in 2020, they were very likely to be skeptical of the vaccines in 2021, regardless if they were more conventional in nature or not.

I tend to the think the novel aspect of the mRNA vaccines is just being used as an excuse.

There was lot of distrust in institutions and authority pre-pandemic, and it has pretty much amplified it.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Oh, really? You and they must find it especially frustrating that hospitals and doctors offices still require masks.

The World According to TIm.

Do you just ignore every piece of data offered up to you? Previously posted, previously unread by you.

Yes....really. The world according to WebMD, physicians, nurses.

A damning indictment below

Trust in CDC, FDA Took a Beating During Pandemic

Recent CDC guidance on COVID-19 has been widely misinterpreted and caused confusion, and the FDA decisions during the pandemic have been critiqued .

www.webmd.com

June 9, 2021 -- Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.

Out of nearly 2,000 U.S. nurses surveyed on Medscape (WebMD's sister site for health care professionals) between May 25 and June 3, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased since the start of the pandemic, and 51% said their trust in the FDA has decreased. Similarly, out of nearly 450 U.S. doctors surveyed in the same time period, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased and 48% said their trust in the FDA has decreased.

Doctors and nurses reported relatively lower trust in the CDC than WebMD readers. Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses and 45% of WebMD readers. The FDA didn’t fare much better: 37% of doctors, 27% of nurses, and 41% of WebMD readers said they trust the FDA in general.

In addition to a lack of trust, many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19. About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic, compared to 36% of WebMD readers. Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance, while 39% of WebMD readers did.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Says the guy who constantly tests himself for Covid…

So getting tested means I think it's the bubonic plague?

I keep reminding you, you need to be getting tested before you travel and visit family. Don't ignore Walensky...the vaccines no longer prevent the spread of Covid.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

What an asinine comment. On par with your other posts, so nothing new or shocking.

What an idiot you persistently make yourself out to be, with each post. Let me re-post, for you, what I just posted for your butt buddy. This isn't my opinion Communist.

Trust in CDC, FDA Took a Beating During Pandemic

Recent CDC guidance on COVID-19 has been widely misinterpreted and caused confusion, and the FDA decisions during the pandemic have been critiqued .

www.webmd.com

June 9, 2021 -- Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.

Out of nearly 2,000 U.S. nurses surveyed on Medscape (WebMD's sister site for health care professionals) between May 25 and June 3, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased since the start of the pandemic, and 51% said their trust in the FDA has decreased. Similarly, out of nearly 450 U.S. doctors surveyed in the same time period, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased and 48% said their trust in the FDA has decreased.

Doctors and nurses reported relatively lower trust in the CDC than WebMD readers. Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses and 45% of WebMD readers. The FDA didn’t fare much better: 37% of doctors, 27% of nurses, and 41% of WebMD readers said they trust the FDA in general.

In addition to a lack of trust, many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19. About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic, compared to 36% of WebMD readers. Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance, while 39% of WebMD readers did.

 

[Steeltime]

TEL AVIV (FINANCIAL TIMES) - Israel is weighing further lockdowns and the possibility of extending booster vaccine shots to those over 50 years old after the number of new coronavirus infections surged to the highest levels since February.

Almost 80 per cent of the adult population has been fully vaccinated, one of the highest rates in the world, but more than 6,000 people tested positive for Covid-19 on Monday (Aug 9), according to the Health Ministry. Nearly 650 people were in hospital and 400 of them were in serious condition, it said, without indicating how many had already been vaccinated.

In a related story ...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The odds are much higher than being in a fatal car accident, isn’t it strange we don’t have people protesting seatbelt laws?

Yeah, we need a link for that. We will wait.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Pretty much.

AGAIN.

this is not a vaccine that works through a weakened or killed form of the virus to confer immunity. This treatment uses mRNA I to change your body’s immune response. This is why they are lying to you when they tell you it is a vaccine it is not a vaccine. Moreover if you do a little research like I have into the problems with this type of treatment you will find out all about why you should be skeptical of taking this experimental treatment. Moreover a readily available empirical data source about how dangerous this treatment is is available on VAERS. More deaths and serious reactions from this vaccine in a few months than all of the other vaccines combined in 20 years. But then those other vaccines are actual vaccines not experimental gene treatments. Take it if you want to but stop trying to force other people to take it and stop trying to use a virus with a .03% chance of mortality to justify Tyranny.

The VAERS reports have to be taken with a serious grain of salt. They are not verified to have anything to do with the vaccine and never before has there been this much scrutiny and publicity about a vaccine that could be coloring the reporting of issues. I am personally on the fence about what to call it a vaccine or a treatment. I also am not sold on the VAERS numbers as any kind of gospel either way. The VAERS numbers are just like the overall death numbers, most likely seriously inflated by improperly looking at the causality so let's not be hypocrites like the other side seems to be.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

 

[Tibs]

Tim, you're about smart as a mossy rock. The notion 'trust is decreasing' in something is not equal to 'not' trusting something. Boy, you sure ran with that one article to reach a wildly inaccurate conclusion. Since you're constantly prone to exaggeration and embelishment, we'll notch it up to you working hard upholding your brand.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Like we were assured:

• A 15-day lockdown was needed to "flatten the curve."
• And Beijing Joe was NOT going to mandate taking the virus.
• And the vaccine would "end the pandemic."
• And masks don't work in preventing the spread of the Chinese flu, before the announcement that ...
• Masks work in preventing the spread of the Chinese flu.
• And the lab-leak theory had zero scientific basis, before the announcement that ...
• The lab leak theory was as likely as zoonotic (natural) occurrence, before the announcement that ...
• The virus probably came from a lab.
• And the infection numbers in Texas were accurate.
• And the infection numbers in Florida were accurate.
• And the deaths attributed to the Chinese flu are legitimate.
• And that keeping schools closed was based on medicine, not teacher's unions.
• And that leaders would "follow the science," except of course when the science applied to THEM.

Like that, you mean? The problem that public health officials have in convincing the public of anything is the fact they have been so contradictory and have repeatedly been caught flat-out lying to us.

Oh, and you mockingly refer to "holding you down" to inject the vaccine.

And say not a word, not a syllable, about people getting fired, or denied access to public events, or denied in-person schooling.

Those are okay, I guess.

So it's fine for individuals to have a choice in the matter, but not employers and the organizers of events?

The school issue is complicated because you have parents who are equally concerned for their children, but are raging hornet pissed and divided in their views on COVID, masking and the vaccines.

Vaccine requirements and mandates are nothing new. One would think this was a revolutionary concept by the way it is talked about by certain people.

I get it. You guys think COVID is overblown bullshit and the vaccines are more dangerous than conventional ones.

After 18 months, there's NOTHING that is going to change your minds on that. It's why I don't bother engaging on the subject here to the extent that some do.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Tim, you're about smart as a mossy rock. The notion 'trust is decreasing' in something is not equal to 'not' trusting something. Boy, you sure ran with that one article to reach a wildly inaccurate conclusion. Since you're constantly prone to exaggeration and embelishment, we'll notch it up to you working hard upholding your brand.

I would still like your response to what the odds of dying are for those who haven't been vaccinated overall. I want to make sure you truly understand how low the risk really is for a normal healthy adult or child. My mom's 10 day hospitalization wasn't even medically necessary it turns out and was simply precautionary due to her risk factors. They did full plasma therapy and some of those oh so dangerous treatments Trump was suggesting that were called lies. She is 78 a smoker since 13 and has COPD and sleep apnea but was never in real danger. The hospitalization rates in florida are inflated to a degree because of caution and access to better treatments available. Rather than wait for them to get really sick they are using therapies, trumpeted by Trump, to prevent these issues.

 

[Troglodyte]

Do you just ignore every piece of data offered up to you? Previously posted, previously unread by you.

Yes....really. The world according to WebMD, physicians, nurses.

A damning indictment below

Trust in CDC, FDA Took a Beating During Pandemic

Recent CDC guidance on COVID-19 has been widely misinterpreted and caused confusion, and the FDA decisions during the pandemic have been critiqued .

www.webmd.com

June 9, 2021 -- Trust in the CDC and FDA has decreased dramatically during the COVID-19 pandemic among health care professionals, according to a new WebMD/Medscape poll.

Out of nearly 2,000 U.S. nurses surveyed on Medscape (WebMD's sister site for health care professionals) between May 25 and June 3, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased since the start of the pandemic, and 51% said their trust in the FDA has decreased. Similarly, out of nearly 450 U.S. doctors surveyed in the same time period, 77% said their trust in the CDC has decreased and 48% said their trust in the FDA has decreased.

Doctors and nurses reported relatively lower trust in the CDC than WebMD readers. Among doctors, 31% said they trust the CDC in general, compared to 25% of nurses and 45% of WebMD readers. The FDA didn’t fare much better: 37% of doctors, 27% of nurses, and 41% of WebMD readers said they trust the FDA in general.

In addition to a lack of trust, many health care professionals said they disagreed with the CDC's and FDA’s actions on COVID-19. About half of both doctors and nurses said they disagreed with the FDA’s overall decision-making during the pandemic, compared to 36% of WebMD readers. Nearly 60% of doctors and 65% of nurses said they disagreed with the CDC’s overall pandemic guidance, while 39% of WebMD readers did.

DiD YOU READ WHAT THEY DISAGREED WITH? The lifting of mask mandates for vaccinated people as an example. You obviously disagree with the doctors and nurses that disagree with the CDC. Could you be any more pointless?

 

[Stainless]

We're losing control of the pandemic and Afghanistan. 'Murica.

 

[Troglodyte]

So getting tested means I think it's the bubonic plague?

I keep reminding you, you need to be getting tested before you travel and visit family. Don't ignore Walensky...the vaccines no longer prevent the spread of Covid.

My family and the people we visit are vaccinated. We don’t live in your never ending pandemic world.

 

[Tibs]

I would still like your response to what the odds of dying are for those who haven't been vaccinated overall. I want to make sure you truly understand how low the risk really is for a normal healthy adult or child. My mom's 10 day hospitalization wasn't even medically necessary it turns out and was simply precautionary due to her risk factors. They did full plasma therapy and some of those oh so dangerous treatments Trump was suggesting that were called lies. She is 78 a smoker since 13 and has COPD and sleep apnea but was never in real danger. The hospitalization rates in florida are inflated to a degree because of caution and access to better treatments available. Rather than wait for them to get really sick they are using therapies, trumpeted by Trump, to prevent these issues.

Glad your mom's doing better, Lebanon.