so you want to go to the doc or clinic every week and get a booster?
maybe you'll need one every 24 hours
maybe it'll come in pill form
then big pharma can get richer and richer
and you'll be ok with it
hypocrite
Covid Vaccine
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maybe you'll need one every 24 hours
maybe it'll come in pill form
then big pharma can get richer and richer
and you'll be ok with it
hypocrite
You all simply conflate issues to try to make political points.
COVID is NOT the black plague, the bubonic plague, nor Ebola. On scale, it is slightly worse than the flu. Correct.
Cases rising is an issue with the flu. So too it is an issue with COVID. More cases will lead to more deaths. Luckily, the death rates have dropped with COVID. GREAT news.
Yet the whole thing is overblown. For something that is only slightly worse than the flu....
- We are marching towards vaccine mandates and destruction of freedoms
- We are injecting people by the hundreds of millions with long-term untested vaccines
- We are ruining/have ruined schooling for our children - the long term effects of which won't be measurable for years
- We are ruining/have destroyed tens of thousands of businesses, many of which will never come back
- We have impoverished countless Americans who lost their personal wealth, jobs, livelihoods
- We have ruined lives in countless innumerable ways beyond lost income and businesses - isolated families, depression, increased drug/alcohol dependency
- Our reactions have cost lives - addictions, overdoses, loss of life to lack of healthcare, etc
- Our reactions lowered life expectancy due to a year of missed medical care
- Our approach has been particularly damaging on our youth in countless ways - loss of athletics, loss of proms, loss of athletic scholarships, lowered educational standards, negative impacts on mental health, damage to social growth and interaction
The reaction has been since day one an epic over reaction, the costs of which you selectively and continually ignore and dismiss as necessary. They aren't.
A targeted, selected approach has and still remains the best option.
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Vile Comrade Tibs, useful idiot, its the flu.
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Waffle, waffle, waffle.
“Cases!” Again, “cases!”
“The vaccines aren’t working… the vaccines are working, but not as well as expected… the vaccines aren’t effective against the Delta variant.”
Yes they are, Tim. You’re just ideologicallly anti-vax and it shows.
Saying the vaccines are working is directly akin to Supe's analogy. That truck goes real well downhill, not so much uphill.
Saying the vaccines are working is akin to saying look, my space heater heats my home. Yep. That room.
The vaccines are doing some good. And some bad. And aren't what we were promised.
They will stop the spread! Whoops
They will keep you from getting seriously ill! Whoops
They will keep you from getting COVID at all! Whoops
Growing vaccinated hospitalizations cases and deaths demonstrate they are far short of what we hoped for.
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I think you’re confusing the booster with Tim getting tested for Covid every week.
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What don’t you understand about 1 in 15,500 vaccinated people being hospitalized or dying of Covid? You don’t care to understand, it’s ideological for you.
We are going in circles because you continue to repeat the same failed bullshit disproven arguments. The article clearly stated the data is wrong and understated...PER THE CDC.
Local studies in local hospitals where patients EXIST show 40% hospitalized are vaccinated. All of the data....the RISING number of breakthrough cases, the rising number of those dying that are vaccinated, the rising number hospitalized....bely what you're being told.
The rest of the world is seeing 65%, 90% of their patients hospitalized are vaccinated. But not here...because some days you believe the CDC and other days you don't.
I've prevented **** like this before, ignore it again:
Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work - The BMJ
More vaccinated people are dying of the delta variant of covid than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England. The report shows that 489 of 742 [...]More...
blogs.bmj.com
More ideology. From the uber-Liberal, taxpayer funded NPR:
Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.
What happened, and what can be learned about the vaccine's impact on a highly vaccinated country? Here are six lessons learned — and one looming question for the future of the pandemic.
But Israel paid a price for the early rollout. Health officials, and then Pfizer, said their data showed a dip in the vaccine's protection around six months after receiving the second shot.
"The most influential event was so many people who went abroad in the summer — vacations — and brought the delta variant very, very quickly to Israel," said Siegal Sadetzki, a former public health director in Israel's Health Ministry.
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Immunity from the vaccine dips over time. The vaccines have "waning" protection.
"The vaccines work JFC!" / Floggy
TSF: The vaccines aren't what they were promised to be
Israel was the first country on Earth to fully vaccinate a majority of its citizens against COVID-19. Now it has one of the world's highest daily infection rates — an average of nearly 7,500 confirmed cases a day, double what it was two weeks ago. Nearly one in every 150 people in Israel today has the virus.
What happened, and what can be learned about the vaccine's impact on a highly vaccinated country? Here are six lessons learned — and one looming question for the future of the pandemic.
1. Immunity from the vaccine dips over time.
Israel had fully vaccinated slightly over half its population by March 25. Infections waned, venues reopened to the vaccinated and the prime minister told Israelis to go out and have fun. By June, all restrictions, including indoor masking, were abolished.But Israel paid a price for the early rollout. Health officials, and then Pfizer, said their data showed a dip in the vaccine's protection around six months after receiving the second shot.
2. The delta variant broke through the vaccine's waning protection.
It was a perfect storm: The vaccine's waning protection came around the same time the more infectious delta variant arrived in Israel this summer. Delta accounts for nearly all infections in Israel today."The most influential event was so many people who went abroad in the summer — vacations — and brought the delta variant very, very quickly to Israel," said Siegal Sadetzki, a former public health director in Israel's Health Ministry.
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Immunity from the vaccine dips over time. The vaccines have "waning" protection.
"The vaccines work JFC!" / Floggy
TSF: The vaccines aren't what they were promised to be
What the hell?
Sarasota Memorial Hospital is seeing an increase in the number of COVID-19 patients who are vaccinated, including those sick enough to land in the intensive care unit, prompting public concern and raising questions about the need for booster shots.
As of Monday, Sarasota Memorial had 47 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, including seven in the ICU and five on ventilators. At the start of last week the hospital had 28 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, with just one in the ICU on a ventilator.
Currently, 17% of Sarasota Memorial’s COVID-19 patients are vaccinated, up from 10% a week ago.
Uptick in vaccinated COVID-19 patients at Sarasota Memorial prompting public concern
The hospital had 272 COVID-19 patients Tuesday, compared with 277 Monday and a record 291 on Sunday.
www.heraldtribune.com
Sarasota Memorial Hospital is seeing an increase in the number of COVID-19 patients who are vaccinated, including those sick enough to land in the intensive care unit, prompting public concern and raising questions about the need for booster shots.
As of Monday, Sarasota Memorial had 47 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, including seven in the ICU and five on ventilators. At the start of last week the hospital had 28 vaccinated COVID-19 patients, with just one in the ICU on a ventilator.
Currently, 17% of Sarasota Memorial’s COVID-19 patients are vaccinated, up from 10% a week ago.
And they wonder why we don't trust a thing we are being told (well some lemmings do). We are told 99% of people hospitalized are vaccinated, then weeks later...not so much. We are told breakthrough infections are rare...then also...not so much.
Growing concern? Yep. As there should be.
www.mlive.com
There’s growing concern vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to COVID-19 than previously thought
“It’s quite clear that we have more breakthroughs now,” said Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at the University of California, San Francisco. “We all know someone who has had one. But we don’t have great clinical data.”
www.mlive.com
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Multiple people have tried to explain this to you. FROM THE ISRAEL STUDY 53 out of every MILLION. 1 IN 18,900.We are going in circles because you continue to repeat the same failed bullshit disproven arguments. The article clearly stated the data is wrong and understated...PER THE CDC.
Local studies in local hospitals where patients EXIST show 40% hospitalized are vaccinated. All of the data....the RISING number of breakthrough cases, the rising number of those dying that are vaccinated, the rising number hospitalized....bely what you're being told.
The rest of the world is seeing 65%, 90% of their patients hospitalized are vaccinated. But not here...because some days you believe the CDC and other days you don't.
I've prevented **** like this before, ignore it again:
Significant proportions of people admitted to hospital, or dying from covid-19 in England are vaccinated—this doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work - The BMJ
More vaccinated people are dying of the delta variant of covid than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England. The report shows that 489 of 742 [...]More...
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Memphis doctor seeing more vaccinated people admitted into hospitals
Doctors say they are seeing more vaccinated people admitted into the hospitals with COVID-19, but they still urge people to get the vaccine.
www.wistv.com
MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WMC) - The Delta variant in Shelby County has affected just about all demographics, including vaccinated people.
Doctors say they are seeing more vaccinated people admitted into the hospitals with COVID-19, but they still urge people to get the vaccine.
In Shelby County, more than 140 cases were reported between Thursday and Friday. A week ago, we were averaging 26 cases a day.
Jerusalem Hospital - 90% of patients vaccinated.
Simpsons paradox LMAO
Did they tell us the vaccines would curtail the spread? Yes
Did they tell us the vaccines would keep people from becoming seriously ill? Yes
Did they tell us the vaccines would get us closer to herd immunity? Yes
Did they tell us the vaccines would prevent you from getting Covid? Yes...even Biden said it
Are they doing those things?
No.
Keep reading my latest posts.
Wow.
www.njspotlight.com
Gov. Phil Murphy said again Monday that vaccines against COVID-19 are 99.9% effective against getting the virus and 99.99% effective against dying from it. But the most recent data available shows a significant uptick in breakthrough cases and deaths since the delta variant became the dominant strain in New Jersey.
A NJ Spotlight News analysis of data from the state Department of Health for the most recent two-week period — June 29 through July 12 — found that the number of COVID-19 cases among fully vaccinated people increased by more than 16%. The number of hospitalizations jumped by two-thirds and the number of deaths rose by 55%, that analysis found.
Meanwhile up in Maine:
COVID-19 breakthrough cases climb in NJ | NJ Spotlight News
As the number of breakthrough cases climb, Murphy administration urges vaccinated residents to mask up.
www.njspotlight.com
Gov. Phil Murphy said again Monday that vaccines against COVID-19 are 99.9% effective against getting the virus and 99.99% effective against dying from it. But the most recent data available shows a significant uptick in breakthrough cases and deaths since the delta variant became the dominant strain in New Jersey.
A NJ Spotlight News analysis of data from the state Department of Health for the most recent two-week period — June 29 through July 12 — found that the number of COVID-19 cases among fully vaccinated people increased by more than 16%. The number of hospitalizations jumped by two-thirds and the number of deaths rose by 55%, that analysis found.
Meanwhile up in Maine:
Israel. Again.
www.science.org
The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die. But Israel’s experience is forcing the booster issue onto the radar for other nations, suggesting as it does that even the best vaccinated countries will face a Delta surge.
“This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of world,” says Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer at Clalit Health Services (CHS), Israel’s largest health maintenance organization (HMO). “If it can happen here, it can probably happen everywhere.”
Israel is being closely watched now because it was one of the first countries out of the gate with vaccinations in December 2020 and quickly achieved a degree of population coverage that was the envy of other nations— for a time. The nation of 9.3 million also has a robust public health infrastructure and a population wholly enrolled in HMOs that track them closely, allowing it to produce high-quality, real-world data on how well vaccines are working.
“I watch [Israeli data] very, very closely because it is some of the absolutely best data coming out anywhere in the world,” says David O’Connor, a viral sequencing expert at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. “Israel is the model,” agrees Eric Topol, a physician-scientist at Scripps Research. “It’s pure mRNA [messenger RNA] vaccines. It’s out there early. It’s got a very high level population [uptake]. It’s a working experimental lab for us to learn from.”
Now, the effects of waning immunity may be beginning to show in Israelis vaccinated in early winter; a preprint published last month by physician Tal Patalon and colleagues at KSM, the research arm of MHS, found that protection from COVID-19 infection during June and July dropped in proportion to the length of time since an individual was vaccinated. People vaccinated in January had a 2.26 times greater risk for a breakthrough infection than those vaccinated in April. (Potential confounders include the fact that the very oldest Israelis, with the weakest immune systems, were vaccinated first.)
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The vaccines are waning in months.
Natural immunity is lasting.
AAAS
www.science.org
The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die. But Israel’s experience is forcing the booster issue onto the radar for other nations, suggesting as it does that even the best vaccinated countries will face a Delta surge.
“This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of world,” says Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer at Clalit Health Services (CHS), Israel’s largest health maintenance organization (HMO). “If it can happen here, it can probably happen everywhere.”
Israel is being closely watched now because it was one of the first countries out of the gate with vaccinations in December 2020 and quickly achieved a degree of population coverage that was the envy of other nations— for a time. The nation of 9.3 million also has a robust public health infrastructure and a population wholly enrolled in HMOs that track them closely, allowing it to produce high-quality, real-world data on how well vaccines are working.
“I watch [Israeli data] very, very closely because it is some of the absolutely best data coming out anywhere in the world,” says David O’Connor, a viral sequencing expert at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. “Israel is the model,” agrees Eric Topol, a physician-scientist at Scripps Research. “It’s pure mRNA [messenger RNA] vaccines. It’s out there early. It’s got a very high level population [uptake]. It’s a working experimental lab for us to learn from.”
Now, the effects of waning immunity may be beginning to show in Israelis vaccinated in early winter; a preprint published last month by physician Tal Patalon and colleagues at KSM, the research arm of MHS, found that protection from COVID-19 infection during June and July dropped in proportion to the length of time since an individual was vaccinated. People vaccinated in January had a 2.26 times greater risk for a breakthrough infection than those vaccinated in April. (Potential confounders include the fact that the very oldest Israelis, with the weakest immune systems, were vaccinated first.)
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The vaccines are waning in months.
Natural immunity is lasting.
Wow really?
www.news.com.au
Iceland is experiencing its worst Covid-19 pandemic outbreak.
That’s despite near-total vaccination levels. And what Delta’s doing there may now be a sign of things to come for Australia.
The small island nation of 357,000 citizens has become a case study of the effectiveness of vaccination against the Delta mutation.
Some 96 per cent of all Icelandic women over 16 have received at least one vaccine dose. The figure for men is about 90 per cent.
In total, 86 per cent of the population has been fully vaccinated.
It is an outstanding result – so much so, the Reykjavík government felt they had this pandemic beaten.
In June, they rolled back social distancing, mask and travel restrictions.
But those restrictions have been reimposed as a Covid-19 Delta outbreak has sent case numbers soaring.
And even with a significantly reduced rate of severe illness, the explosive outbreak is seriously straining the tiny nation’s health system.
Reykjavik’s raw numbers
A public address by epidemiologist Kamilla Jósefsdóttir in the capital Reykjavík late last week laid out the stark situation.
Iceland’s medical infrastructure is being pushed to its limits. Contact tracing will become impossible if the rate of Delta’s spread continues to grow, she warned. And this would trigger yet another spike in the infection rate.
She was one of a panel of experts warning local media that even the dramatically reduced percentage of critical cases might not be enough to save Iceland’s healthcare system.
A month ago, the country had just two active Covid-19 cases.
Now, the sparsely populated island has more than 1590 active cases. About 20 are in hospital, with a quarter of those in intensive care. While that doesn’t sound like many, in such a small country even that number puts a strain on its healthcare resources.
“A significant number of people are at risk of needing hospitalisation due to Covid-19 at the moment,” Dr Jósefsdóttir told reporters.
But the director of the National University Hospital, Páll Matthíasson, warned his hospital’s staff were “burnt out” and that there were already Covid cases waiting for beds.
Staff shortages meant expanding treatment facilities was proving a challenge.
“Previous experience and data tell us that this wave has not reached its peak yet,” Dr Matthíasson warned.
Delta rips through most vaccinated nation
Iceland is experiencing its worst Covid-19 pandemic outbreak.
www.news.com.au
Iceland is experiencing its worst Covid-19 pandemic outbreak.
That’s despite near-total vaccination levels. And what Delta’s doing there may now be a sign of things to come for Australia.
The small island nation of 357,000 citizens has become a case study of the effectiveness of vaccination against the Delta mutation.
Some 96 per cent of all Icelandic women over 16 have received at least one vaccine dose. The figure for men is about 90 per cent.
In total, 86 per cent of the population has been fully vaccinated.
It is an outstanding result – so much so, the Reykjavík government felt they had this pandemic beaten.
In June, they rolled back social distancing, mask and travel restrictions.
But those restrictions have been reimposed as a Covid-19 Delta outbreak has sent case numbers soaring.
And even with a significantly reduced rate of severe illness, the explosive outbreak is seriously straining the tiny nation’s health system.
Reykjavik’s raw numbers
A public address by epidemiologist Kamilla Jósefsdóttir in the capital Reykjavík late last week laid out the stark situation.
Iceland’s medical infrastructure is being pushed to its limits. Contact tracing will become impossible if the rate of Delta’s spread continues to grow, she warned. And this would trigger yet another spike in the infection rate.
She was one of a panel of experts warning local media that even the dramatically reduced percentage of critical cases might not be enough to save Iceland’s healthcare system.
A month ago, the country had just two active Covid-19 cases.
Now, the sparsely populated island has more than 1590 active cases. About 20 are in hospital, with a quarter of those in intensive care. While that doesn’t sound like many, in such a small country even that number puts a strain on its healthcare resources.
“A significant number of people are at risk of needing hospitalisation due to Covid-19 at the moment,” Dr Jósefsdóttir told reporters.
But the director of the National University Hospital, Páll Matthíasson, warned his hospital’s staff were “burnt out” and that there were already Covid cases waiting for beds.
Staff shortages meant expanding treatment facilities was proving a challenge.
“Previous experience and data tell us that this wave has not reached its peak yet,” Dr Matthíasson warned.
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You're a man (a man) without conviction
You're a man (a man) who doesn't know
How to sell (to sell) a contradiction
You come and go, you come and go
Karma, karma, karma, karma, karma chameleon...
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BUSTED! Why did you only share two of the articles points and not the full article below, including the one about how the vaccine helps and boosters offering more protection. Your ideology?
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So a University of Wisconsin math professor can’t explain it to you?
You either fundamentally don’t understand math or you are denying the one perfect science, you can’t get any more anti-science than that, Tim.
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“Exceedingly clear” accept the science…
www.sciencenews.org
These charts show that COVID-19 vaccines are doing their job
COVID-19 shots may not always prevent infections, but for now, they are keeping the vast majority of vaccinated people out of the hospital.
www.sciencenews.org
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“Cases!” The panick of an unvaccinated ideolog.Wow really?
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Delta rips through most vaccinated nation
Iceland is experiencing its worst Covid-19 pandemic outbreak.
Iceland is experiencing its worst Covid-19 pandemic outbreak.
That’s despite near-total vaccination levels. And what Delta’s doing there may now be a sign of things to come for Australia.
The small island nation of 357,000 citizens has become a case study of the effectiveness of vaccination against the Delta mutation.
Some 96 per cent of all Icelandic women over 16 have received at least one vaccine dose. The figure for men is about 90 per cent.
In total, 86 per cent of the population has been fully vaccinated.
It is an outstanding result – so much so, the Reykjavík government felt they had this pandemic beaten.
In June, they rolled back social distancing, mask and travel restrictions.
But those restrictions have been reimposed as a Covid-19 Delta outbreak has sent case numbers soaring.
And even with a significantly reduced rate of severe illness, the explosive outbreak is seriously straining the tiny nation’s health system.
Reykjavik’s raw numbers
A public address by epidemiologist Kamilla Jósefsdóttir in the capital Reykjavík late last week laid out the stark situation.
Iceland’s medical infrastructure is being pushed to its limits. Contact tracing will become impossible if the rate of Delta’s spread continues to grow, she warned. And this would trigger yet another spike in the infection rate.
She was one of a panel of experts warning local media that even the dramatically reduced percentage of critical cases might not be enough to save Iceland’s healthcare system.
A month ago, the country had just two active Covid-19 cases.
Now, the sparsely populated island has more than 1590 active cases. About 20 are in hospital, with a quarter of those in intensive care. While that doesn’t sound like many, in such a small country even that number puts a strain on its healthcare resources.
“A significant number of people are at risk of needing hospitalisation due to Covid-19 at the moment,” Dr Jósefsdóttir told reporters.
But the director of the National University Hospital, Páll Matthíasson, warned his hospital’s staff were “burnt out” and that there were already Covid cases waiting for beds.
Staff shortages meant expanding treatment facilities was proving a challenge.
“Previous experience and data tell us that this wave has not reached its peak yet,” Dr Matthíasson warned.
