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Covid Vaccine

Just the flu! (y)

DeMonia's wife received a call around 12 hours after he was admitted to Cullman Regional Medical Center notifying her that after calling 43 hospitals, there was not a specialized cardiac ICU bed available for him.

As a result, DeMonia was ultimately transferred to a Mississippi hospital - located roughly 200 miles away - to receive specialized treatment
 
You have never heard me argue that the vaccines don't work. Ever. You waffle and switch arguments after being beaten over and over. It's tiring.

I have continually pointed out the efficacies' of the vaccines are waning.

Take a moment, breathe, read sentences 1 and 2 again. They are different. Arguing that the effectiveness of a vaccine is dwindling is NOT arguing vaccines don't work.

Breakthrough cases:
4 months ago - just 1% of all cases
Now - more than 40% of all cases

Vaccine...protection...is...dropping. <--------------------------THE POINT FLOGGY. LET IT PENETRATE YOUR BRAIN



Today. Perhaps. Save for areas like Israel. Where NATIONWIDE studies showed the vaccinated are 13.2x more likely to transmit/contract Delta than the unvaccinated.

Back to the point. With each day, literally....Vaccine...protection...is...dropping. <--------------------------THE POINT FLOGGY. LET IT PENETRATE YOUR BRAIN
“Waning, fading, protection is dropping” yes, but against what, exactly? Mild to moderate illness. Anything else is speculation about what MIGHT happen eventually. There is reason to believe that the vaccine could remain effective against serious illness indefinitely. Read the articles. Right now, a third dose sounds like an erring on the side of additional protection in the event that it is eventually needed. That’s not necessarily the right thing to do.
 
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“Waning, fading, protection is dropping” yes, but against what, exactly? Mild to moderate illness. Anything else is speculation about what MIGHT happen eventually. There is reason to believe that the vaccine could remain effective against serious illness indefinitely. Read the articles. Right now, a third dose sounds like an erring on the side of additional protection in the event that it is eventually needed. That’s not necessarily the right thing to do.
wait. hol'up.

is you be say the vaccine is so smart that it can determine precisely and how effectively it should react to the virus? that is be do read like what you did be say. Vaccine has limitless power but is conserving it until it meets certain metrics to spring into action. Vaccine is some new kind of super duper wonder immune system.

and, no, the articles were saying that enough people in wealthy countries have had the vaccine, so the vaccine should be spread to the poorer countries. they're not in any way suggesting that the efficacy is enough in these shots to keep the vaccine afloat. Unless... they is be super duper man-made immune systems complete with their own metrics!
 
 
Bullshit opinion? The two departing FDA officials were part of the group.

If 98 doctors tell you cancer is deadly, and 2 tell you it's not, who will you believe?

GLOBAL studies, research, medical personnel, our CDC, the CEO of Pfizer and Governments tell you, vaccine efficacies are waning. A tiny percentage disagree.

Ideology Floggy. You're a believer.
 
You're better off taking a sledgehammer and pounding yourself in the head with it, over and over. The sheer number of posts in this thread definitely *do not* represent any level of quality of those posts, nor do they contain worthwhile information. It's reading the banter between a tiny minority of wacked-out conspiracy theorists doing their *own research.* Who's got time for that?

So you disagree with the CDC, who says the vaccines have waned?
You disagree with the Washington Post?
You disagree with Medical articles/research posted on Medrvix, CIDRAP?
You disagree with Rochelle Walensky?
You disagree with the CEO of Pfizer?
You disagree with the study provided by researchers covering the entire nation of Israel?

Not shocking. It's also ideology to you.

Do you believe the efficacy of the vaccines have waned? Simple question.
 
“Waning, fading, protection is dropping” yes, but against what, exactly? Mild to moderate illness. Anything else is speculation about what MIGHT happen eventually. There is reason to believe that the vaccine could remain effective against serious illness indefinitely. Read the articles. Right now, a third dose sounds like an erring on the side of additional protection in the event that it is eventually needed. That’s not necessarily the right thing to do.

July, August: The vaccines are NOT waning JFC! /Floggy
This post: OK the vaccines efficacies are waning. /Floggy

Ya can't make this **** up.

Cases among the vaccinated - rising.
Hospitalization among the vaccinated - rising.
Deaths among the vaccinated - rising.

Not absolute numbers. As a percentage.

They need boosters, because they are less effective now than then. And they are gonna need them for Lambda and Mu - based on early studies.
 
Do you believe the efficacy of the vaccines have waned? Simple question.

Who cares? This is nothing but the flu, remember? And who gives a **** about the flu? Why do we even have a thread on Covid? We don't have multiple, hundred-page threads on the flu. Yet this is *just* the flu. None of this matters, masks, vaccinations, boosters, none of it. This is just the flu.
 
Just the flu! (y)


"Ray DeMonia's daughter told The Washington Post that her father was unable to find an available ICU bed because hospitals in Alabama were inundated with COVID-19 patients, especially those who were not vaccinated. "

Who validated the ICUs were over capacity "because of Covid" patients? The same people that said gunshot victims in OK couldn't get treatment due to Ivermectin poisonings?

Is it possible that hospitals, now understaffed due to vaccine mandates, could have been the cause? Nah, that couldn't be contributing at all.



COVID-19: Union says 30% of UC Medical Center nurses could quit over vaccine mandate​


Is there any...and I mean any...corroboration of this claim? Or is just another Rolling Stone bullshit piece?
 
Who cares? This is nothing but the flu, remember? And who gives a **** about the flu? Why do we even have a thread on Covid? We don't have multiple, hundred-page threads on the flu. Yet this is *just* the flu. None of this matters, masks, vaccinations, boosters, none of it. This is just the flu.
you can cut the irony with a syringe
 
Who cares? This is nothing but the flu, remember? And who gives a **** about the flu? Why do we even have a thread on Covid? We don't have multiple, hundred-page threads on the flu. Yet this is *just* the flu. None of this matters, masks, vaccinations, boosters, none of it. This is just the flu.

FINALLY a cogent post by one of the dumbest human beings ever to learn how to operate a keyboard.
 
Who cares? This is nothing but the flu, remember? And who gives a **** about the flu? Why do we even have a thread on Covid? We don't have multiple, hundred-page threads on the flu. Yet this is *just* the flu. None of this matters, masks, vaccinations, boosters, none of it. This is just the flu.

Dance and spin and avoid the facts.

You claimed what I've posted are "bullshit" articles, sidestepping the fact that the data I sourced is from the CDC, Medscape, CIDRAP, Israel Researchers, UVA, CNBC, Rochelle Walensky, the CEO of Pfizer...all of whom you are calling bullshit.

Which leaves you in a stupid, unintelligent position - familiar ground, we know.

Have the vaccines efficacies' waned?
 
Compelling statement about the efficacy of the vaccine from Sloppy Joe Xiden:

"You need to get the vaccine to protect the people who've had the vaccine from the virus the vaccine protects you from."
 

Being reported in India and the UK, but not here.

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Boys more likely to be hospitalized with rare side-effect of Pfizer vaccine than covid itself, claims US study​

The study alleged that most children who experienced the rare side-effect of the vaccine began showing symptoms within days of receiving the second shot of the vaccine.

Healthy adolescent boys are more likely to be hospitalized with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine, as opposed to the virus itself, a study by US researchers has shown.

The researchers assessed medical data which showed that boys aged 12 to 15, with no pre-existing medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-induced myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart — than being hospitalized with Covid.

The team of researchers from the University of California were able to find 257 vaccine-related cardiac ailments in recipients of both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The rate of such heart issues per million among 12-15-year-old boys was 162.2, while it was 94.0 in boys between the ages of 16 and 17. For girls, the rates were 13.4 and 13 cases per million.

The study alleged that most children who experienced the rare side-effect of the vaccine began showing symptoms within days of receiving the second shot of the vaccine. Around 86 per cent of the boys affected required some form of hospital care, The Guardian reported.

“For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day Covid-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly Covid-19 hospitalization,” states the study, which is yet to be peer-reviewed.

Earlier this year, the US Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults to fact sheets for the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. While the US continues to permit all children above the age of 12 to receive the Covid vaccine, the UK is taking a more cautious approach, offering the vaccine to only those above 16 years of age and at-risk children in the 12-15 age group.

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The risks of the vaccine are greater than the risks of Covid for those 12-15 yrs.

JFC! This is bullshit!! /Floggy
 
Yup.


Events this weekend showcased the intense bifurcation of America into two separate realities. As our country observed the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, former presidents gathered, sans Donald Trump, in New York for a solemn ceremony — wearing masks even though they are fully vaccinated and were outside. In Shanksville, Pa., George W. Bush leveraged the occasion to take a not-very-veiled shot at the MAGA movement, comparing its most fervent adherents to the 9/11 terrorists.

Meanwhile, at stadiums across America, massive crowds of rowdy, unmasked college football fans tailgated, packed into stadiums, and also recalled the grim events of 2001, but in far more boisterous displays of patriotism.

This same-day divergence highlights the sharply divided nation of 2021. That chasm will now only widen as Joe Biden targets many of those same people, the ones unwilling to live under the thumb of onerous government virus mitigation restrictions. These ineffective mandates may nominally emanate from science, but they moreover stem from a preference for coercion and control by Democrat politicians, all with the assistance of powerful business interests, including Big Tech and Big Pharma.

For a glimpse into just how starkly Biden purposefully divides America with his unprecedented vaccine policy, it’s important first to lay out two unmistakable truths of the current situation regarding the coronavirus:

  1. The vaccines prove quite effective at mollifying the effects of the disease upon the vulnerable, but were massively oversold as “all-clear,” silver bullet elixirs.
  2. Given that vaccinated people can still spread the virus, there is no moral obligation for anyone to be pressured into the jab. Especially for those of us who place a premium on personal freedom, it is quite literally no one else’s business.
Once these realities are acknowledged, a clear-eyed analysis of the Biden mandate reveals that his monarchical command flows not from a concern over public health, but rather to compel pain and compliance from targeted populations of Americans. In fact, even former Surgeon General Jerome Adams, who has been consistently pro-vaccine and very friendly to the virus policies of Anthony Fauci and Biden, observed that the president’s mandate speech was “delivered to leave you feeling angry if vaccinated, and ashamed if unvaccinated. It was a war speech, but the enemy wasn’t the virus — it was your neighbor.”

Consider that many American workers now face termination if they make their own medical decision to pass on the vaccine. But the millions of unemployed Americans on government assistance? They face no such imperative. How is such a dichotomy equal treatment under law?
Why should the employed be penalized? Outside of the glaring ethical imbalance of this scenario, it also makes zero economic sense, as it will surely persuade a substantial number of reluctant laborers to drop out, worsening an already troubling trend of sagging workforce participation.

But even outside of this dynamic, consider some of the other groups of people prioritized by Joe Biden, groups not subject to his tyrannical edicts. Let’s start with Afghan migrants. As I have documented previously, inviting a mass migration from a country where 39% of the population believes that suicide bombing is justifiable (per Pew Research) represents a terrible idea. But in addition to security concerns and cultural compatibility issues, these migrants are subject to no vaccine requirements at all. So, U.S. citizen-laborers must accept a shot they may not want or need so that they can then toil to pay taxes to transport these migrants from across the world, and to house them in our country, where the newcomers face no medical mandates at all.

A similar allowance for personal choice extends to the vast numbers of illegal migrants crossing our southern border since Biden assumed office. We are on track for a staggering 2 million uninvited entries this year at current pace and, per Axios, 30% of the illegal migrants in custody have refused the vaccine. In what rational world does that distinction make any sense?

So, the lesson here is clear. When Joe Biden scolded Americans, declaring that “our patience is wearing thin,” he was emphatically not speaking to prioritized groups. He was not sermonizing to the jobless, to those on public assistance, to the airlifted Afghans, or to the millions of illegal aliens he incentivizes to enter our homeland. But Biden was speaking, harshly and directly, to the millions of hard-working everyday Americans who have made a rational personal decision to forgo a brand-new vaccine.

For many of the vaccine-hesitant, previous infection smartly informs them that natural immunity should prevail. For others, relative youth and fitness convince them the disease presents low risks. But whatever their reasons, compulsion to inject a medicine, at the point of an employment gun, represents a drastic new tactic to divide an already polarized country.


In addition, there is little doubt about the politics here as this Biden command directly targets the millions of working-class Americans who are already reluctant to accept the prescriptions of ruling-class “experts.” In other words, Biden has imposed a medical apartheid that places a bulls-eye on the backs of the “deplorables” while exempting key groups he deems more worthy.
 
wait. hol'up.

is you be say the vaccine is so smart that it can determine precisely and how effectively it should react to the virus? that is be do read like what you did be say. Vaccine has limitless power but is conserving it until it meets certain metrics to spring into action. Vaccine is some new kind of super duper wonder immune system.

and, no, the articles were saying that enough people in wealthy countries have had the vaccine, so the vaccine should be spread to the poorer countries. they're not in any way suggesting that the efficacy is enough in these shots to keep the vaccine afloat. Unless... they is be super duper man-made immune systems complete with their own metrics!
You obviously didn’t read the article Punxsutawney posted earlier, it had nothing to do with poor countries. You’re clueless, again.
 
Just the flu! (y)

Holy **** Tibs!!!! You didn't even read your own article. The guy was fully vaccinated!!! That should be the headline. I am sure plenty of Alabama Hospitals have extremely low staffing levels and small ICU units that are normally 90% occupied anyway so this isn't anything all that crazy. What is crazy is that you just posted anecdotal proof the vaccines are not as effective as you say. They most certainly don't stop the spread at all!
 
This thread has turned into like a car wreck for me.

I know it's going to be bad, but I still can't look away. And Tiborvirus is a trolling moron SIL, you know he doesn't read at least half the **** he posts.
 
Yup.


Events this weekend showcased the intense bifurcation of America into two separate realities. As our country observed the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, former presidents gathered, sans Donald Trump, in New York for a solemn ceremony — wearing masks even though they are fully vaccinated and were outside. In Shanksville, Pa., George W. Bush leveraged the occasion to take a not-very-veiled shot at the MAGA movement, comparing its most fervent adherents to the 9/11 terrorists.

Meanwhile, at stadiums across America, massive crowds of rowdy, unmasked college football fans tailgated, packed into stadiums, and also recalled the grim events of 2001, but in far more boisterous displays of patriotism.

This same-day divergence highlights the sharply divided nation of 2021. That chasm will now only widen as Joe Biden targets many of those same people, the ones unwilling to live under the thumb of onerous government virus mitigation restrictions. These ineffective mandates may nominally emanate from science, but they moreover stem from a preference for coercion and control by Democrat politicians, all with the assistance of powerful business interests, including Big Tech and Big Pharma.

For a glimpse into just how starkly Biden purposefully divides America with his unprecedented vaccine policy, it’s important first to lay out two unmistakable truths of the current situation regarding the coronavirus:

  1. The vaccines prove quite effective at mollifying the effects of the disease upon the vulnerable, but were massively oversold as “all-clear,” silver bullet elixirs.
  2. Given that vaccinated people can still spread the virus, there is no moral obligation for anyone to be pressured into the jab. Especially for those of us who place a premium on personal freedom, it is quite literally no one else’s business.
Once these realities are acknowledged, a clear-eyed analysis of the Biden mandate reveals that his monarchical command flows not from a concern over public health, but rather to compel pain and compliance from targeted populations of Americans. In fact, even former Surgeon General Jerome Adams, who has been consistently pro-vaccine and very friendly to the virus policies of Anthony Fauci and Biden, observed that the president’s mandate speech was “delivered to leave you feeling angry if vaccinated, and ashamed if unvaccinated. It was a war speech, but the enemy wasn’t the virus — it was your neighbor.”

Consider that many American workers now face termination if they make their own medical decision to pass on the vaccine. But the millions of unemployed Americans on government assistance? They face no such imperative. How is such a dichotomy equal treatment under law?
Why should the employed be penalized? Outside of the glaring ethical imbalance of this scenario, it also makes zero economic sense, as it will surely persuade a substantial number of reluctant laborers to drop out, worsening an already troubling trend of sagging workforce participation.

But even outside of this dynamic, consider some of the other groups of people prioritized by Joe Biden, groups not subject to his tyrannical edicts. Let’s start with Afghan migrants. As I have documented previously, inviting a mass migration from a country where 39% of the population believes that suicide bombing is justifiable (per Pew Research) represents a terrible idea. But in addition to security concerns and cultural compatibility issues, these migrants are subject to no vaccine requirements at all. So, U.S. citizen-laborers must accept a shot they may not want or need so that they can then toil to pay taxes to transport these migrants from across the world, and to house them in our country, where the newcomers face no medical mandates at all.

A similar allowance for personal choice extends to the vast numbers of illegal migrants crossing our southern border since Biden assumed office. We are on track for a staggering 2 million uninvited entries this year at current pace and, per Axios, 30% of the illegal migrants in custody have refused the vaccine. In what rational world does that distinction make any sense?

So, the lesson here is clear. When Joe Biden scolded Americans, declaring that “our patience is wearing thin,” he was emphatically not speaking to prioritized groups. He was not sermonizing to the jobless, to those on public assistance, to the airlifted Afghans, or to the millions of illegal aliens he incentivizes to enter our homeland. But Biden was speaking, harshly and directly, to the millions of hard-working everyday Americans who have made a rational personal decision to forgo a brand-new vaccine.

For many of the vaccine-hesitant, previous infection smartly informs them that natural immunity should prevail. For others, relative youth and fitness convince them the disease presents low risks. But whatever their reasons, compulsion to inject a medicine, at the point of an employment gun, represents a drastic new tactic to divide an already polarized country.


In addition, there is little doubt about the politics here as this Biden command directly targets the millions of working-class Americans who are already reluctant to accept the prescriptions of ruling-class “experts.” In other words, Biden has imposed a medical apartheid that places a bulls-eye on the backs of the “deplorables” while exempting key groups he deems more worthy.
GWB is just a man who was born into it up to his eyeballs. What a disaster for conservatives. Aside from singular made for TV moments like being able to deliver a Presidential moment throwing out the first pitch like a boss and the Bullhorn moment, he was and is such a disappointment.
 

Being reported in India and the UK, but not here.

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Boys more likely to be hospitalized with rare side-effect of Pfizer vaccine than covid itself, claims US study​

The study alleged that most children who experienced the rare side-effect of the vaccine began showing symptoms within days of receiving the second shot of the vaccine.

Healthy adolescent boys are more likely to be hospitalized with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine, as opposed to the virus itself, a study by US researchers has shown.

The researchers assessed medical data which showed that boys aged 12 to 15, with no pre-existing medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-induced myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart — than being hospitalized with Covid.

The team of researchers from the University of California were able to find 257 vaccine-related cardiac ailments in recipients of both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. The rate of such heart issues per million among 12-15-year-old boys was 162.2, while it was 94.0 in boys between the ages of 16 and 17. For girls, the rates were 13.4 and 13 cases per million.

The study alleged that most children who experienced the rare side-effect of the vaccine began showing symptoms within days of receiving the second shot of the vaccine. Around 86 per cent of the boys affected required some form of hospital care, The Guardian reported.

“For boys 16-17 without medical comorbidities, the rate of CAE is currently 2.1 to 3.5 times higher than their 120-day Covid-19 hospitalization risk, and 1.5 to 2.5 times higher at times of high weekly Covid-19 hospitalization,” states the study, which is yet to be peer-reviewed.

Earlier this year, the US Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults to fact sheets for the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. While the US continues to permit all children above the age of 12 to receive the Covid vaccine, the UK is taking a more cautious approach, offering the vaccine to only those above 16 years of age and at-risk children in the 12-15 age group.

--------------

The risks of the vaccine are greater than the risks of Covid for those 12-15 yrs.

JFC! This is bullshit!! /Floggy
Book it. In less than 5-6 years we are going to be seeing a birthing issue. And of course “we don’t know why” the defects, the losses, the ……
 
Book it. In less than 5-6 years we are going to be seeing a birthing issue. And of course “we don’t know why” the defects, the losses, the ……
And. Sorry pissy mode as of late. Someone else posted this, don’t know where, all the miscarriage rates going way up “and know one knows why or reports on”. Seriously it’s this. It’s this bs that we ask “why”. That we ask questions and are labeled…**** yinz
 
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