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Covid Vaccine

oneforthebus said:
I feel for anyone immunocompromised but just get off the damn elevator if you're that terrified. The screaming and hysteria was way over the top as well as probably forcefully spewing out aerosols, and causing the woman to respond and speak in an enclosed space. It's illogical.

The masks are intended to slow the spread. They aren't 100% effective and no one claims they are. Acting like a mask slipping off someone's nose is akin to attempted murder or something is laughable. If someone's that terrified of catching covid they probably shouldn't leave their house.

By the way if the woman had a bottle of water she could take her mask all the way off, have a sip and no one would bat an eyelash. Cause covid can't spread while you're eating and drinking apparently. Crazy times we are living in.
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Good points, all. I guess it's just sad to see how the fear mongering and persistent psychological operations attack have broken people down. She's obviously disturbed.
 
Sarge said:
Take this for what it is worth, but I read that the FDA is not allowed to approve an experimental vaccine (Not sure if it is ANY vaccine) if there is already a proven treatment in place, such as a pill or a therapeutic. If that is true, and I haven't been able to verify it, it might explain why the left is so vehemently smearing any treatment that isn't the vaccine. Searching has proven fruitless as any time you type the word "vaccine" in any kind of search, the results are littered with PSA's about why the COVID vaccine is safe and effective.
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The other factor to realize is that the makers of ivermectin as well as pfizer have been going balls to the walls to rush clinical trials for new covid medications … last month it was reported that they are basically replicating the fundamental chemical function of ivermectin so basically repackaging the stuff with a slightly altered composition so they can charge more…

usually this propaganda bullcrap always goes back to money….
 
Also im going to see how legit the stuff i justcread is before I post it, but apparently pfizer has been half assing clinical trials and mostly omitting the high risk groups….. pharm companies are well known for shady maneuvers in clinical testing… it would not surprise me
 
Sarge said:
Take this for what it is worth, but I read that the FDA is not allowed to approve an experimental vaccine (Not sure if it is ANY vaccine) if there is already a proven treatment in place, such as a pill or a therapeutic. If that is true, and I haven't been able to verify it, it might explain why the left is so vehemently smearing any treatment that isn't the vaccine. Searching has proven fruitless as any time you type the word "vaccine" in any kind of search, the results are littered with PSA's about why the COVID vaccine is safe and effective.
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This has been stated a lot. It’s why the “worm” med is trashed. Money money money. Money
 
Troglodyte said:
Show me a rural hospital with a level 3 or 4 ICU.

The false equivalence YOU made was Allegheny County hospitals and Pennsylvania hospitals. I’m explaining the obvious difference in patients. Are you arguing that people in rural areas never need level 3 or 4 ICUs?

If you have a problem with the articles, contact the PPG. They have the data. But at least give them advanced warning that you struggle with the nuances of statistics.
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Show me any evidence of your claim that the 40% of Covid breakthrough cases in Allegheny county has anything to do with RURAL people being treated in their hospitals LMAO. Anything. Any supporting evidence at all about their hospitals' capacities will suffice.

Regarding the PPG, I'm pointing out that you SUCK at linking. You post an article from them showing the 2nd largest county in the state has 40% breakthrough cases in their hospitals followed by an article from the same rag stating the entire state has only seen 4% breakthrough cases.

Try again.
 
Troglodyte said:
Infected? So what? Unless they are being hospitalized or dying, why the need for a third dose? Since when do we vaccinate people to avoid mild to moderate illness?
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The vaccines were promised to us to prevent spread. They didn't. You keep avoiding this point.

Second, when do we vaccinate people to avoid mild to moderate illness? I present you with Covid.
 
Troglodyte said:
Nonsense. CT, NY, NJ have all leveled off.
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I posted articles with data showing this to be fact. Vaccinated states were harder hit than least vaccinated stats.

You ignored it, once again, because it doesn't fit with your ideology.

Troglodyte said:
VT has seen a big increase but it is led by unvaccinated children.
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Link providing evidence of your theory please.

Troglodyte said:
Being a commuter state would make it harder for CT to manage Covid. What’s your point?
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I made the point. You wouldn't get a point if it was a javelin stuck in your head. To judge areas, especially in commuter areas, one must judge the region. Because the population moves and commutes. Individual state comparisons, by and large, are dumb, especially in the northeast.
 
Steeltime said:
Floggy, stop ignoring the evidence. The link I provided shows that Sweden ranks 39th in per capita mortality, behind the lockdown queens in France, Spain, the United Kingdom, Italy and Belgium.

Stop lying. Sweden did fine, its economy is fine, its people are happy and living life.

If you want to wrap your head in Saran wrap and hide in Biden's basement, have at it. Just leave the rest of us alone.
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10 months into the vaccine, Sweden, that has a vaccination rate 8 percentage points higher than the US, has dropped to 39th in the world (which is really nothing to brag about). When you compare Sweden to similar Nordic countries, it was a disaster.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
The vaccines were promised to us to prevent spread. They didn't. You keep avoiding this point.

Second, when do we vaccinate people to avoid mild to moderate illness? I present you with Covid.
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“Promised”, “We we’re lied to!”. Your sense of entitlement is pathetic.

650k dead from mild to moderate illness?
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
I posted articles with data showing this to be fact. Vaccinated states were harder hit than least vaccinated stats.

You ignored it, once again, because it doesn't fit with your ideology.



Link providing evidence of your theory please.



I made the point. You wouldn't get a point if it was a javelin stuck in your head. To judge areas, especially in commuter areas, one must judge the region. Because the population moves and commutes. Individual state comparisons, by and large, are dumb, especially in the northeast.
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No, you showed percent increase and decrease without any perspective. That’s like arguing the student who improved his grade from a 50% to a 60% is doing better than the student that saw his grade drop from 100% to 90%.

“One must judge the region” HA! Help yourself…

 
Troglodyte said:
“Promised”, “We we’re lied to!”. Your sense of entitlement is pathetic.

650k dead from mild to moderate illness?
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You keep using that number when it has been shown over and over again to be incorrect. It is AT LEAST 21% over inflated. Listen to your champion Bill Maher and stop the fear porn.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
You keep using that number when it has been shown over and over again to be incorrect. It is AT LEAST 21% over inflated. Listen to your champion Bill Maher and stop the fear porn.
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You keep suggesting that 500k is much better than 600k. Whatever.

Its bizarre how Covid is mocked and downplayed on this board until one of the members announces they or a family member has it and then the mood turns somber and serious. WTF? It’s like they temporarily drop the political ideology and face the real world.
 
Troglodyte said:
“Promised”, “We we’re lied to!”. Your sense of entitlement is pathetic.
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Expecting your Government and its agencies to not lie persistently to the American people is not a sense of entitlement.

Your side incessantly screamed about lies from the Government for the most recent four years.

Troglodyte said:
650k dead from mild to moderate illness?
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Strawman, but I'll play.

1. If you believe the numbers
2. These are now two year numbers
3. If you believe the numbers, the numbers justified my point - we deserved better vaccines, yes?
4. Last year you blamed Trump. This year, you give Ice Cream ***** His Pants a total pass. Why is that? He has failed, miserably.

To Steeltime's points....we are 75% vaccinated and faring terribly, worse than this same time last year. And you all say the vaccines are working and it's all about the unvaccinated. La La land bullshit. The vaccine you took isn't working today to prevent the spread of Covid.
 
Steeltime said:
Lockdowns do not kill a virus, Flog. Lockdowns are a version of asking for an extension to file the tax return - you don't then get to pretend the issue is gone. You just put it off for another day. Viruses gonna virus. I cannot fathom how you think hiding in your basement will make the virus disappear.

The reasoning was to have a lockdown to "flatten the curve," which happened, but then became a way to "stop the virus," which it was never going to do. Seriously, not one person, not one virologist, suggested that lockdowns would kill the virus. The theory was then to lock down for sufficient time to come up with the vaccine, which happened.

94% of those over age 65 are vaccinated. 75% of the adult population in this country are vaccinated. I already posted the links. But the virus is exploding because ... the unvaccinated? Huh?

No, the virus is exploding because as you pointed out, the Delta variant is more contagious - including among the vaccinated. That's just the way it is.

Finally, you have no right - none - to tell me to stay home or stop working when you never missed a paycheck. Look at the biggest blowholes spouting about lockdowns - Fauci, Sloppy Joe, Pelosi, Schumer, you.

What do you all have in common?? And no, it's not Nancy-alcy's $20,000 freezers.
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Tim struggles with this too. If the vaccinated are the majority, but represent a minority of cases, then the unvaccinated are many times more likely to spread the virus. For example, Allegheny County is 64% vaccinated and only 23% of the cases are breakthroughs. So, math tells us the vaccinated in Allegheny County are nearly six times less likely to contract Covid.

The unvaccinated are spreading Covid.
 
Steeltime said:
So those people being transferred are not because the hospitals are jam packed with Chinese flu patients and instead because the hospitals simply lack the equipment to handle, say, a certain type of heart disease?

Huh. Think I read something like that a couple of days ago. Did you post that article? Why no, you didn't - you and Tibilo posted articles about emergency rooms being overrun with Chinese flu patients to the point a guy had to go to a different hospital and died because of heart disea ... uhh, "Covid" and TSF had to post the later article explaining why the guy was transferred.

You remember that, don't you?
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Yes, states are transferring patients because their ICUs are being overwhelmed…

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

Patients Coming To AHN From Other States With Overwhelmed Hospital Systems

AHN is taking care of patients from across the country as hospitals reach capacity in other states.
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Tim Steelersfan said:
The vaccines were promised to us to prevent spread. They didn't. You keep avoiding this point.

Second, when do we vaccinate people to avoid mild to moderate illness? I present you with Covid.
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JFC OMG!

We get flu shots to prevent the spread!

/Flog standing in line with one arm stretched out for his 7th RonaBooster and the other arm extended for his flu shot, triple masked with white, blue and yellow inserts.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, you showed percent increase and decrease without any perspective.
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:yawn: No son, I in fact, after posting increases/decreases, ALSO posted data from a source showing this to be documented.

You ignore the CDC, so I've no doubt you ignored that data too.

Troglodyte said:
“One must judge the region” HA! Help yourself…

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Yes, regions. Or trends. Like how the lower mid south, originally hit hardest by Delta, is faring now. Like how the Delta variant is spreading north/northeast as I predicted. The Ohio region, worse. New Orleans, LA, MO, AR all better. It's moved North.

August 25:

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Today:

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Change in Cases in the Past 7 Days:

Washington D.C. - 57%
Michigan - 40%
Wisconsin - 40%
Minnesota - 30%
WV - 29%
MD - 29%
Vermont - 28%
Delaware - 28%
NH - 27%
PA - 27%
Maine - 27%
Ohio - 22%
Rhode Island - 22%
Massachusetts - 19%
Connecticut - 17%
New Jersey - 16%
New York - 16%

Those lower mid south states Delta hit hardest first?:

Louisiana - minus 19%
Georgia - minus 20%
Florida - minus 17%
Mississippi - minus 15%
Texas - minus 7%
Alabama - minus 5%
Missouri - 17%
Arkansas - 15%

I've likewise been posting these changes in cases numbers for weeks. The numbers are now even more drastic. For weeks, the cases down south (as the map CLEARLY depicts) continue to drop off. And likewise, the northern area states continue to see their cases rise.

But now....it's a huge swing - +57% for Washington DC compared to GA at minus 20% cases is a near 80 point swing.

Bubble Boy Flog wrong again. After yesterday's incessant beatings you took by so many different posters, mad props for your dumb *** returning today.
 
Troglodyte said:
Tim struggles with this too. If the vaccinated are the majority, but represent a minority of cases, then the unvaccinated are many times more likely to spread the virus. For example, Allegheny County is 64% vaccinated and only 23% of the cases are breakthroughs. So, math tells us the vaccinated in Allegheny County are nearly six times less likely to contract Covid.

The unvaccinated are spreading Covid.
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You are making statements that are just not true. Specifically, 23% of the hospitalized are vaccinated. Okay. So you conclude that the unvaccinated - who are 77% of the hospitalized - are spreading the Chinese flu.

No, Floggy. Your own data shows that those with the vaccine get the Chinese flu and can spread the Chinese flu. The disparity in hospitalizations is due to what I have noted, and the reason to get the vaccine - the vaccine reduces the seriousness of the infection.

It does not prevent getting the infection or spreading the infection, however. The undeniable truth is that the vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting the Delta, but DOES lower the symptoms, so you interact with more people because you feel okay and spread it further.

Get it?
 
Troglodyte said:
Lifesitenews = fake news

en.wikipedia.org

LifeSiteNews - Wikipedia

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For once, would you read an article? CNN is fake news, what the **** is your point? It is, and always will be, the data that matters. Not the portal through which you get it. A fact is a fact, truth is the truth. You either choose to accept data or not.

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On March 18, Dr. Ryan Cole, a board-certified pathologist and owner and operator of a diagnostics lab, reported to the public in a video produced by Idaho state government’s “Capitol Clarity” project, that he is seeing a massive ‘uptick’ in various autoimmune diseases and cancers in patients who have been vaccinated.



According to a German research study, polyethylene glycol, an ingredient found in the Pfizer and Moderna jabs, has been found to pose a “potential toxicity risk” to women’s ovaries.

www.sciencedirect.com

Accumulation of nanocarriers in the ovary: A neglected toxicity risk?

Several nanocarrier systems are frequently used in modern pharmaceutical therapies. Within this study a potential toxicity risk of all nanoscaled drug…
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Dr. Michael Yeadon, a former vice president at Pfizer, has cited the German study as a possible explanation for the large number of menstrual irregularities and miscarriages being reported by vaccinated women.

Yeadon warns young women to avoid the vaccine for, in his expert opinion as a toxicologist, the shots will likely impede a woman’s ability to get pregnant and carry a baby to term.

Dr. Cole states in his video that, not only are melanomas showing up more frequently, like endometrial cancers, the melanomas are also developing more rapidly, and are more severe in younger people, than he has ever previously witnessed.

“Most concerning of all, there is a pattern of these types of immune cells in the body keeping cancer in check,” stated the doctor.

“I’m seeing invasive melanomas in younger patients; normally we catch those early, and they are thin melanomas, [but] I’m seeing thick melanomas skyrocketing in the last month or two,” he added.

Cole came into prominence in January of 2021 when the Idaho government put in place an effort called “Capitol Clarity,” with the stated goal of keeping Idahoans informed about the facts surrounding COVID-19.

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Lots of data inside, but Flog don't be look because Flog do be know the data will not confirm his biases.

Cole speaks and participates in this studying and data sharing as a result of the Idaho State Government's programs. Yet Floggy say "conspiracy theorists and LifeSite news!!!"

Lemmings and sheeple may be one of the biggest dangers we face.
 
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