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Just look at Israel and breakthrough cases? They are the size of a smaller US state and can enforce mass vaccination and controls more readily.
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You don't speak Uzbek?
But seriously, that was probably the worst analogy I've ever read.
Small states matter to Floggy when small states help his small arguments, but are dismissed when small states disprove his large ideological positions because they are too small to be considered.
And also not on point. Tiblio is trying to morph my words into something they are not. Vaccine passports and mandates are akin to Jews being forced to carry papers and wear symbols in order to move and travel. He's taken it from that context into saying making that compare means you're comparing the two to genocide.
Which is akin to saying eating red meat and suffering cholesterol problems is comparable to eating a ton of carbs and gaining unnecessary weight...then having someone tell you because you made that compare you're comparing bad eating to abortion.
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Wait. I support genocide now? i did not know that.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Brain dead zombie.
So in other words, Fibs is a moron.
In addition to being a freeloading, trolling little foreigner.
In addition to being a freeloading, trolling little foreigner.
That might be the better description.
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Strawman. I said the Northeast wouldn’t reach the case rates (75/100k) the South was seeing in August and September. You said “just wait”. Still waiting, Tim.
I (again) refer you to the Cases by Region graph.
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“Nothing to see here”
So your opposition to the vaccine was that kids would accidentally be given adult doses instead of the flu vaccine?
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Idiot, Vermont’s daily deaths are, wait for it… 2. TWO. West Virginia’s are 30. At three times the population, West Virginia has FIVE times as many deaths. Florida is STILL seeing 2.77 times as many deaths/pop. as Vermont. I’d tell you to calculate the other states but I sincerely don’t think you are capable.
“Absolute numbers” You suck at math.
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No, his opposition to the vaccine was that kids would accidentally be given non-pronoun, gender specific stickers after the shot that would draw your Ire and disgust in shaming people draped in a rainbow flag.
You take the most specific point and twist it just to deflect and mislead the argument. Read his point, contemplate his point as it is presented, and if you disagree, state your case and point to evidence backing it. That is how a debate of facts is accomplished.
Baddacathcare!
Right….
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The point was dumb. It was a medical mistake. They happen, we don’t stop practicing medicine because of it. Much like we don’t stop practicing medicine because of rare side effects.
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These mandates are great! Destroying our education and healthcare. Now our air travel. Loving this progress!
Hundreds of flights today and yesterday have been postponed or canceled into and out of Florida. Legacy media is claiming the outages are due to bad weather, but word has leaked of a mass sickout at the FAA air traffic control center in Jacksonville in protest of federal Vaccine mandates.
There's a ton more inside. They are trying to make it look like weather and ATC were the issues LOL.
Fake social media news.
Southwest Airlines cancellations not due to vaccine mandate walkout—pilots
Ted Cruz was one of those who speculated about issues at Southwest after the pilots' union sought to block the company's COVID-19 vaccination mandate.
www.newsweek.com
A strawman is you bringing up new states because you get hammered on the ones you choose to cherry pick as use cases. Best part is now the # of people that tune in simply to laugh at you LOL.
Wrong, You didn't. Prove it.
Your position was because those southern states were Ruby Red Unvaxxed states, they were getting hammered and vaxed states would be immune.
Now you're just lying.
There's no waiting. The argument is done and won. The virus moved north. New England hospitals are full. Delta led to record breakthrough cases (40%+). 3/4 deaths in VT alone are vaxed people.
No dipshit, they got the vaccines and got heart conditions.
Something the vaccines are sadly to well known for.
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You cherry-picked Vermont for me, Tim. Do you even realize that you posted a graph showing Vermont’s daily deaths consistently in the low single digits?
Again, I refer you to the Cases by Region graph. ALL regions cases started climbing at the same time, the South skyrocketed, the other regions NEVER caught up. LOOK, Tim
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In fairness, my dad got a liver transplant. There are numerous hoops you have to jump through to get one. You also have to be immunosuppressed for the rest of your life. They don't give organ transplants to people who are unlikely to survive for any number of reasons, because organs are rare and the procedure and follow up care is incredibly expensive. Being unvaccinated and immunosuppressed gives her a high likelihood of dying of covid. This is a medical decision, not "discrimination".The war of the vaxed v the unvaxed is now politically killing people.
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Unvaccinated woman delivers ominous message after hospital denies organ transplant over vaccination status: 'My days are numbered'
A Colorado woman who says the UCHealth system denied her organ transplant because she is not vaccinated against COVID-19 says that her "days are numbered." Earlier this week, the Colorado health system confirmed it will deny organ transplants for unvaccinated patients in "almost all situations."...www.theblaze.com
A Colorado woman who says the UCHealth system denied her organ transplant because she is not vaccinated against COVID-19 says that her "days are numbered."
Earlier this week, the Colorado health system confirmed it will deny organ transplants for unvaccinated patients in "almost all situations."
The woman, Leilani Lutali, told Fox News' Laura Ingraham on Thursday that she has stage 5 renal failure.
"I believe that my days are numbered as I continue to deteriorate in my GFR numbers," she said.
Lutali, who appeared alongside donor Jamiee Fougner, added that she reached out to the health system, which that she was "irresponsible in not getting" the COVID-19 vaccine.
Fougner added, "How can I sit here and allow them to murder my friend when I've got a perfectly good kidney and can save her life?"
The two met during a Bible study group over the past year. Fougner offered one of her kidneys to Lutali after the two developed a close friendship.
"They're holding my kidney hostage and she's going to die because they won't give it to her."
Fox reported that the health system released a statement on the announcement which read, "For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries."
UCHealth previously added, "This is why it is essential that both the recipient and the living donor be vaccinated and take other precautions prior to undergoing transplant surgery. Surgeries may be postponed until patients take all required precautions in order to give them the best chance at positive outcomes."
In its letter to Lutali, the health system said:
Ingraham pointed out that she believes the case is a "classic" example of "discrimination."
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His point wasn't that two kids were given the wrong shot, it's that BOTH contracted heart related issues. "It's rare" is a bullshit statement in the context of the younger age groups, ESPECIALLY considering the death rates in that same category
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They were four and five year-old children given the adult dosage (30 micrograms). The recommended dosage for children 5-11 is 10 micrograms. They were mistakenly overdosed.
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These mandates are great! Destroying our education and healthcare. Now our air travel. Loving this progress!
Hundreds of flights today and yesterday have been postponed or canceled into and out of Florida. Legacy media is claiming the outages are due to bad weather, but word has leaked of a mass sickout at the FAA air traffic control center in Jacksonville in protest of federal Vaccine mandates.
There's a ton more inside. They are trying to make it look like weather and ATC were the issues LOL.
Good for them. Make a stand. This bullshit needs to end.
Yes, absolute #s as in "highest daily cases in VT's history" and "76% of their deaths are vaccinated people." Those absolute #s matter and state size is irrelevant.
You continue to bring in these other states, regardless of the compares - location, population, whether they are urban regional or rural, and make a case that an INDIVIDUAL state is somehow evidence that the vaccines work. Look how foolish your argument is:
North Dakota (45% vaxed) - 0.48 current deaths per 100K
Mississippi (44% vaxed) - 0.79 current deaths per 100K
Louisiana (46% vaxed) - 0.57 current deaths per 100K
Arkansas (46% vaxed) - 0.50 current deaths per 100K
Missouri (49% vaxed) = 0.40 current deaths per 100K
But...
Maine (69% vaxed) = 0.52 current deaths per 100K
Clearly this is just rock ******* solid evidence that natural immunity works am I right???
^^^^This is why switching to West Virginia is a joke. It's one state going through a rough patch, as LA and MO and GA all did. For your WV I trumped you 5 states (there are more) that have LOW vax rates beating many of the higher vaxed states.
The compares...are....dumb. But you keep brining up states, and I'll continue to trash your unsubstantiated arguments.
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You twist my position, so let me repeat it again. Do the vaccines have a positive effect? They do. Is that positive effect VERY good? It's not. These vaccines are probably the worst vaccines ever developed....but they put a dent into the problem. Does that mean they are beneficial? Of course. What they should be? Not EVEN close.
YES unvaxxed areas are going to suffer more. And YES...these vaccines suck. <--------that point has been my point, a point you refuse to accept. And they suck worse over time. And they also happen to be the most dangerous vaccines ever given en masse to mankind.
Did her not being vaccinated weigh into their decision AT ALL to her not getting the transplant? Yes or no?
