Covid Vaccine

[oneforthebus]

No it is firm, undeniable data. Your denial is strong.

England:

• 47% of all cases are vaxed people
• 78% of all adult cases are vaxed people
• 62% of hospital admissions are vaxed people
• 78% of all deaths are vaxed people

Their deaths this September are higher than their deaths last September.

Despite being highly vaxed.

The vaccines don't work that well Floggy. Keep the faith.

Pennsylvania:
09/14/2021

Health Details

www.media.pa.gov

Today’s online report shows that since January 2021:

· 97 percent of COVID-19-related deaths were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 6,472 COVID-19-related deaths identified in Pennsylvania in 2021, the latest data shows 213, or three percent, post-vaccination deaths identified. Cumulative death incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.9 times as high as the death incidence among the fully vaccinated.

· 95 percent of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 34,468 hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission reported in Pennsylvania, 1,820 were reported to have occurred in fully vaccinated people. These figures account for data from 55 percent of all hospitals and 69 percent of acute care hospitals in Pennsylvania, representing approximately 80 percent of acute care beds in the state.

· 94 percent of reported COVID-19 cases were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 639,729 positive cases, there have been 35,389, or six percent, identified post-vaccination cases. Cumulative case incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.1 times as high as the case incidence among the fully vaccinated.

“That means that 97 percent of deaths reported through the beginning of September were in unvaccinated or not fully-vaccinated people,” Beam said.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I wish he hadn't been too afraid to get the vaccine. He might be alive today. Maybe not, who knows. But I believe the data shows his chances would have been a lot better,

Unlike my neighbor.

It's all sad.

 

[oneforthebus]

More recent from Minnesota:

Unvaccinated Minnesotans 30x more likely to die from COVID

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Unvaccinated Minnesotans are 15 times more likely to require hospitalization for COVID-19 and 30 times more likely to die from the disease than vaccinated residents, Health Commissioner Jan Malcolm said Wednesday.

apnews.com

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Unvaccinated Minnesotans are 15 times more likely to require hospitalization for COVID-19 and 30 times more likely to die from the disease than vaccinated residents, Health Commissioner Jan Malcolm said Wednesday.

The commissioner gave those figures as the Minnesota Department of Health added new data to its weekly report on vaccine breakthrough cases, which normally comes out on Mondays. The department added a new graph and chart Wednesday to clarify its data on breakthrough cases.

 

[oneforthebus]

Scotland:

Trials: COVID vaccines 90% effective against Delta infection, death

Two large studies show very high protection against the more transmissible variant.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[oneforthebus]

Pennsylvania:
09/14/2021

Health Details

www.media.pa.gov

Today’s online report shows that since January 2021:

· 97 percent of COVID-19-related deaths were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 6,472 COVID-19-related deaths identified in Pennsylvania in 2021, the latest data shows 213, or three percent, post-vaccination deaths identified. Cumulative death incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.9 times as high as the death incidence among the fully vaccinated.

· 95 percent of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 34,468 hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission reported in Pennsylvania, 1,820 were reported to have occurred in fully vaccinated people. These figures account for data from 55 percent of all hospitals and 69 percent of acute care hospitals in Pennsylvania, representing approximately 80 percent of acute care beds in the state.

· 94 percent of reported COVID-19 cases were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 639,729 positive cases, there have been 35,389, or six percent, identified post-vaccination cases. Cumulative case incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.1 times as high as the case incidence among the fully vaccinated.

“That means that 97 percent of deaths reported through the beginning of September were in unvaccinated or not fully-vaccinated people,” Beam said.

This is especially stunning considering that around 60% of the population is fully vaxxed. So 97% of deaths and 95% of hospitalizations are occurring in the only 40% of the population who are unvaccinated.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Pennsylvania:
09/14/2021

Health Details

www.media.pa.gov

Today’s online report shows that since January 2021:

· 97 percent of COVID-19-related deaths were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 6,472 COVID-19-related deaths identified in Pennsylvania in 2021, the latest data shows 213, or three percent, post-vaccination deaths identified. Cumulative death incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.9 times as high as the death incidence among the fully vaccinated.

· 95 percent of reported hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 34,468 hospitalizations with COVID-19 as the primary diagnosis/cause of admission reported in Pennsylvania, 1,820 were reported to have occurred in fully vaccinated people. These figures account for data from 55 percent of all hospitals and 69 percent of acute care hospitals in Pennsylvania, representing approximately 80 percent of acute care beds in the state.

· 94 percent of reported COVID-19 cases were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 639,729 positive cases, there have been 35,389, or six percent, identified post-vaccination cases. Cumulative case incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.1 times as high as the case incidence among the fully vaccinated.

“That means that 97 percent of deaths reported through the beginning of September were in unvaccinated or not fully-vaccinated people,” Beam said.

Yeah, sorry, color me jaded but I don't really buy much that comes from State and Federal at this point on Covid. Not over the past year and the misinformation we've been given.

Your link from the media of the great state of PA, published 9/14: "97 percent of COVID-19-related deaths were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people."

Likewise, the great state of PA says on 10/18: "Between January 1, 2021 and October 4, 2021 in Pennsylvania, 93% of COVID-19-related deaths were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people."

Your link says 95% hospitalized were unvaxed, the same Health agency says in my link says 93% were.
Your link says 94% of cases were unvaxed, mine says 91%.

Is their source data to be trusted? Or, in one month, cases increased by 3% among the vaxed, hospitalizations increased 2% among the vaxed, and deaths increased 4% among the vaxed?

Post Vaccination Data

www.health.pa.gov

Sorry, with countries like Israel and England and Canada showing much different numbers of cases/hospitalizations/deaths among the vaxed/unvaxed than the United States, I doubt our numbers. Pfizer is the largest used vaccine here, I believe. It's the predominant vaccine used in Israel. Yet our numbers on the cases/hospitalizations/deaths are quite different. We continue to state numbers in the 90+% effectiveness ranges for all categories. The other countries don't.

I don't think people like this were lying: "On Aug. 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, said in a Channel 13 TV News interview, “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Furthermore, “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.”

We must just be remarkable here. Or we aren't sharing the right data with Americans.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

This is especially stunning considering that around 60% of the population is fully vaxxed. So 97% of deaths and 95% of hospitalizations are occurring in the only 40% of the population who are unvaccinated.

That is quite remarkable isn't it?

Last year in 2 different waves, PA was seeing 9,000 cases a day in wave 1 and over 5,000 cases a day in wave 2.
This year, 75+% is partially to fully vaxed and still the state saw over 6,000 cases a day in October. It's almost like...those vaccinations did nothing to prevent spread. Nearly the same case loads as last year, worse than wave 2.

We are to believe 25% of the population is driving the same case loads as Wave 2 last year.....

Sorry no.

Deaths are a little better. At its worst last year, PA saw death rates in the 300-400 range in the worst 7 day average. This October it was in the 150 deaths range at its worst.

So being 75+% partially vaxed, we are to believe 25% of the unvaxed population is driving 50% of last year's death total. It's like Covid got much more deadly this year. Or those unvaxed people last year were stronger.

Defies logic.

 

[oneforthebus]

That is quite remarkable isn't it?

Last year in 2 different waves, PA was seeing 9,000 cases a day in wave 1 and over 5,000 cases a day in wave 2.
This year, 75+% is partially to fully vaxed and still the state saw over 6,000 cases a day in October. It's almost like...those vaccinations did nothing to prevent spread. Nearly the same case loads as last year, worse than wave 2.

We are to believe 25% of the population is driving the same case loads as Wave 2 last year.....

Sorry no.

Deaths are a little better. At its worst last year, PA saw death rates in the 300-400 range in the worst 7 day average. This October it was in the 150 deaths range at its worst.

So being 75+% partially vaxed, we are to believe 25% of the unvaxed population is driving 50% of last year's death total. It's like Covid got much more deadly this year. Or those unvaxed people last year were stronger.

Defies logic.

Delta is twice as transmissible as the original strain, maybe you've heard.

So basically what you're saying is data you disagree with must be false but data that supports your opinion is accurate. I posted two states and another country. There are dozens more but no use showing them to you if you're just going to immediately discount them as made up.

 

[oneforthebus]

It's an exercise in futility but anyway

Brazil:

90 percent of São Paulo's hospitalized Covid patients are unvaccinated

A survey by a São Paulo institute showed that nine out of ten patients hospitalized with Covid-19 in the facility are unvaccinated.

brazilian.report

 

[oneforthebus]

The statistics will necessarily change some the more people who are vaccinated, as I've said before if 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of hospitalizations would be in the vaccinated. And yes efficacy appears to wane some over time, particularly against infection but also against severe illness and death.

But whether the numbers are 90 or 91 or 93 or even 75% or even 50% of those hospitalized being unvaccinated, that means a large percentage of severe illness and death occurs in the ever-shrinking percentage of people who have one thing in common: being unvaccinated.

 

[Steelworth]

I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't add up". He and his wife both tested positive for covid (she had some pretty bad symptoms by the way but didn't need to be hospitalized). They couldn't keep his oxygen levels up. He died. This guy wasn't "older and very compromised". He was 63 and had type 2 diabetes and had a triple bypass a few years ago, but had lost some weight and was by all accounts doing ok.

I get why some people fear the vaccines but what I don't get is why they don't fear getting covid at least as as much if not more. Which they should unless they are young and healthy or already have natural immunity.

I meant "doesn't add up" in that some people get incredibly sick while others don't. My stepfather is 80 years old, has COPD, heart issues, high BP, gout etc. and he got it, and recovered within a couple days. I didn't mean to imply anything about your particular situation.

 

[oneforthebus]

I meant "doesn't add up" in that some people get incredibly sick while others don't. My stepfather is 80 years old, has COPD, heart issues, high BP, gout etc. and he got it, and recovered within a couple days. I didn't mean to imply anything about your particular situation.

That is very odd I agree. I wasn't sure what you meant. I know a few elderly people who got it and recovered just fine. My acquaintance is somewhere in the middle, not particularly old or ill but not the picture of health either. My 60 year old sister in law who is super fit and healthy got very, very sick with pneumonia from it. Full recovery but almost hospitalized. I feel like there must be some kind of genetic predisposition or something. It's odd that pregnant women seem to be at higher risk of getting ill and dying, even if young and healthy. Must be something to do with how pregnancy affects the blood or circulatory system or something. Still lots to learn.

 

[oneforthebus]

By the way his wife is the same age, also has type 2 diabetes and is morbidly obese but didn't end up in the hospital. Weird.

 

[Steelworth]

By the way his wife is the same age, also has type 2 diabetes and is morbidly obese but didn't end up in the hospital. Weird.

Very weird. Definite head scratcher.

 

[SojournerSteel]

That is quite remarkable isn't it?

Last year in 2 different waves, PA was seeing 9,000 cases a day in wave 1 and over 5,000 cases a day in wave 2.
This year, 75+% is partially to fully vaxed and still the state saw over 6,000 cases a day in October. It's almost like...those vaccinations did nothing to prevent spread. Nearly the same case loads as last year, worse than wave 2.

We are to believe 25% of the population is driving the same case loads as Wave 2 last year.....

Sorry no.

Deaths are a little better. At its worst last year, PA saw death rates in the 300-400 range in the worst 7 day average. This October it was in the 150 deaths range at its worst.

So being 75+% partially vaxed, we are to believe 25% of the unvaxed population is driving 50% of last year's death total. It's like Covid got much more deadly this year. Or those unvaxed people last year were stronger.

Defies logic.

Just asking this out of left field, but I wonder if hospitals are even giving Covid tests to the vaccinated? We've seen the way they've manipulated the Covid data.

I know a couple/friends of my sister. The husband had Covid/flu sxs. He went to the doctor and received a negative Covid test. He asked for a flu test. They refused and said "we aren't testing for flu."

I guess that's part of the reason flu has been eradicated.

The system can easily make the numbers say what the $$$ want them to say, IMO.

 

[oneforthebus]

Just asking this out of left field, but I wonder if hospitals are even giving Covid tests to the vaccinated? We've seen the way they've manipulated the Covid data.

I know a couple/friends of my sister. The husband had Covid/flu sxs. He went to the doctor and received a negative Covid test. He asked for a flu test. They refused and said "we aren't testing for flu."

I guess that's part of the reason flu has been eradicated.

The system can easily make the numbers say what the $$$ want them to say, IMO.

You'd have to believe that "the system" including hospitals and doctors, has some grand motivation to fudge the numbers. I don't happen to believe that. It wouldn't surprise me if they test fewer of the vaccinated for covid though, especially at the beginning when it appeared the vaccines were more effective at preventing infection.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

It's horrible, however she had symptomatic covid. I don't know how you let her walk into a hospital let alone an ICU.

Not trying to be too much of a smart ***, but just put on a mask and everything is fine, right?

 

[oneforthebus]

Not trying to be too much of a smart ***, but just put on a mask and everything is fine, right?

I don't think anyone believes masks are 100% effective. I happen to not believe they're very effective at all. If they were there'd be a lot less covid going around. But I doubt she'd be allowed in the ICU with any other highly contagious illness either.

His sister was with him. Technically not allowed either but she snuck in and they let her stay.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Delta is twice as transmissible as the original strain, maybe you've heard.

So basically what you're saying is data you disagree with must be false but data that supports your opinion is accurate. I posted two states and another country.

No, what I'm saying with is the data I disagree with makes no logical sense when compared with other data.

For instance, our national/state data doesn't logically match data from other countries - by a lot in some ways. Makes no sense. These other countries are outright sharing numbers on cases/hospitalizations/deaths that are well below the 90+% efficacies. Like the England data I provided a couple pages back. Strange, is it not, that England and Israel and Canada all have drastically different numbers than us? If so, what is the explanation?

I am saying I don't believe the numbers we are presented are accurate. I no longer know what to believe and question most of it From the CDC on down to state governments, they keep telling everyone that 90-whatever-percent of all hospitalizations/deaths are unvaxed people. Despite New England ICUs recently having the majority of their cases being vaxed people and 76% of VT's deaths in one month being vaccinated.

We also know the vaccines are verifiably, undeniably waning severely. One down to the 60s, one is at 50% and the other is at just 3%. Yet since January, we are told the same story by the CDC and state governments - they are still 90+% effective and preventing death/severe illness. Hard to buy that line given the rapid waning of the vaxes.

Then we find local jurisdictions and their healthcare systems provide reports that contradict the glowing state-wide reports, like Allegheny County, the 2nd largest county in PA, stating in the media that 40% of their hospitalized are vaxed people a month or so ago.

Then we have your report from the State of PA and mine from the State of PA that show different data.

We have had the CDC caught manipulating (errr, correcting errors in data reports) countless times. We've had the state of MS proclaim over a dozen kids were in ICU at the beginning of Delta, only to come back a week later and say whoops it was only a couple.

No one is arguing there is a DESPERATE push to get everyone vaccinated. From the top down. Negative news on the vaccines slows/impedes that effort. Do I believe that Federal and State agencies may be in lockstep on communication to try to convince the populace to get vaxed? I do.

There are dozens more but no use showing them to you if you're just going to immediately discount them as made up.

I likewise have posted data, like the UK data and Israel's data, and New Brunswick's and Vermont's and Allegheny County's which you all have discounted as anomalies.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Just asking this out of left field, but I wonder if hospitals are even giving Covid tests to the vaccinated? We've seen the way they've manipulated the Covid data.

Madinsomniac has pointed this out numerous times. After getting vaccinated, the vaxed stopped getting tested. Companies stopped asking the vaxxed to get tested. Hospitals stopped testing the vaxxed. Yet we know cases among the vaxxed soared given the vaccines don't prevent spread.

Thus, on the cases level, the true # of Covid cases out there are truly unknown this year and are guaranteed to be much higher among the vaxxed than we've been let on to.

I know a couple/friends of my sister. The husband had Covid/flu sxs. He went to the doctor and received a negative Covid test. He asked for a flu test. They refused and said "we aren't testing for flu."

I guess that's part of the reason flu has been eradicated.

The system can easily make the numbers say what the $$$ want them to say, IMO.

Yep. They are still paying $$ for each Covid hospitalization. Which I think explains the recent odd wave of hospitalizing people verified to have Covid who didn't need to be. Last year, Covid patients went to the hospital when in need. This year, they are admitting Covid patients for "precautionary" reasons a lot more.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The statistics will necessarily change some the more people who are vaccinated, as I've said before if 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of hospitalizations would be in the vaccinated. And yes efficacy appears to wane some over time, particularly against infection but also against severe illness and death.

You are correct.

Where that argument weakens is when you compare last year to this year against the same measures. Israel set an all time record in cases this summer, higher than last year, despite being highly vaxed.

If a country had 400 deaths per day last September where no one was vaxed, and then this September, they had 20 a day and 100% of them were vaxed, your argument makes sense. But it doesn't when overall #s remain high.

I'll use Israel again. By January 1 they were @10% vaccinated. By March, 50%. By August 1, 63% full/partially vaxed. One would expect to see overall deaths/cases subside if a vaccine is effective. Instead, during vaccination, Israel hit their peak in deaths and then their 2nd highest peak in deaths after they hit 63% vaccination.

If beginning in August, that wave of deaths was small, and 80% of the deaths were vaxed, I'd buy your argument. It's hard to fathom that 27% of their unvaxed population drove enough deaths to equal their worst situation in 2020 and close to their worst peak in 2021.

If overall deaths are WAY down, and the majority of the deaths are vaccinated people, your argument stands. Overall deaths are not way down however and I'm not buying 27% of the population drove that kind of spike in absolute #s of deaths.

Perhaps I'm just old school and expect that an effective vaccine makes absolute death numbers recede. You should see an inverse relationship...as vaccination goes up, deaths go down.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

That is very odd I agree. I wasn't sure what you meant. I know a few elderly people who got it and recovered just fine. My acquaintance is somewhere in the middle, not particularly old or ill but not the picture of health either. My 60 year old sister in law who is super fit and healthy got very, very sick with pneumonia from it. Full recovery but almost hospitalized. I feel like there must be some kind of genetic predisposition or something. It's odd that pregnant women seem to be at higher risk of getting ill and dying, even if young and healthy. Must be something to do with how pregnancy affects the blood or circulatory system or something. Still lots to learn.

I've read it attacks people differently based upon your blood type and the amount of iron in your blood. No idea how true that is.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Here's another I will throw out there for consideration, that flies in the face of our US "90+% Effective Campaign." Ireland.

90% of their adult population is vaxed. Overall, they are at 75% fully vaxed.

1,456 new cases with 'disproportionate' number of unvaccinated Covid patients in hospital

Pop-up vaccination centres will open across many college campuses when students return this month.

www.irishexaminer.com

There is a 'hugely disproportionate' number of unvaccinated Covid patients in Irish hospitals, senior HSE officials have warned.

Almost a quarter of Covid deaths here since April were among fully vaccinated people, while 17% of ICU admissions over the same period were also fully vaccinated.

Since April, 25% of their deaths are fully vaxed. Doesn't match up to the US saying 96% of our deaths are unvaxxed.

Their cases are rising again, currently, despite the tremendous vax numbers.




Is it the potatoes?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I don't think anyone believes masks are 100% effective. I happen to not believe they're very effective at all. If they were there'd be a lot less covid going around. But I doubt she'd be allowed in the ICU with any other highly contagious illness either.

His sister was with him. Technically not allowed either but she snuck in and they let her stay.

If it were my wife laying there dying, they'd have to put me in a hazmat suit or handcuffs.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

This is especially stunning considering that around 60% of the population is fully vaxxed. So 97% of deaths and 95% of hospitalizations are occurring in the only 40% of the population who are unvaccinated.

I do not agree with these numbers based on what I see among my fully vac staff. I have had many, many 3 poke staff being hospitalized.

Also, as I noted many times. They are being admitted just cause they test positive, with no or little to no symptoms.

Just following my comp cases.