Scorecard of theories, conspiracy and otherwise

[Steeltime]

Trying to keep a list of various theories - both those labeled "conspiracy" theories by the left and others that are merely theories about tax policy, economics, etc. - and how those theories seem to be playing out.

The Theory	What conservatives believe	What liberals believe	What seems to be true
The Chinese flu originated in a lab	Very possible, even likely	Conspiracy theory! False! Believed only by fringe conspiracy crazies!	Not one single piece of evidence of natural origin, seems to have leaked from a lab
Trump colluded with Russia	Bogus, a lie used to try and remove a duly-elected President	Absolutely true! Trump is Putin's puppet, a Russian asset!	Bogus, a lie perpetrated by indicted liars and used to try and remove a duly-elected President
Profligate government spending, i.e., printing trillions of unbacked currency triggers inflation	True. Proven by economic policies prior to the Federal Reserve and the policies of 1974-1980	False! Government spending awesome, the more the gooder!	Profligate government spending, i.e., printing trillions of unbacked currency triggers inflation
The media are not tilted left, they have fallen over onto their left side	Absolutely. Anybody with eyes and ears can see that (Russia hoax, Covington teenagers, Rittenhouse trial, Biden coverage)	Not true! Media are the fount of truth and wisdom, seeking to destroy Republicans the truth and always fair!	The media are blatantly biased to lefties, and soft-ball proven idiots like Kamala Harris and Annoying Oral Crap
Joe Biden is mentally unfit	Truth. The dude is a blithering mental incompetent.	Not true! Joe Biden is a genius, sharp as a tack!	Joe Biden is a blithering, doddering old man suffering dementia
Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist	False. No evidence to support that claim.	True! He's white and the police did not gun him down!	FBI took Rittenhouse's phone, prosecution did not even argue Rittenhouse a wHyTe sO0pReMaSiSt
January 6 was an armed insurrection fostered by Donald Trump to seize the government and install himself as a dictator	False. Complete fiction.	True! Trump is a dictator, would install himself as lifetime President! Had a super-secret plan to take over the White House and ordain himself King of Trumpia!	Completely false. No organization, nobody armed, Trump had nothing to do with riots, nobody even charged with insurrection.
Liberals are pimping January 6 because they have nothing else and are desperate, stupid liars	True. All you need are eyes and ears.	False! January 6 was worse than Pearl Harbor, worse then 9/11, worse than the Civil War!!	Liberals are pimping January 6 because they have nothing else and are desperate, stupid liars
White supremacy is the greatest threat facing the United States	Of course not. Idiotic. The FBI cannot even find white supremacists, have to develop crimes for people to advance.	Oh my God, so true! wHyTe sO0pReMaSiStS everywhere, EVERYWHERE, OMG!!	White supremacy is probably about number 2,357,856 on the list of problems in the nation.
(D)emocrats are corporate shills, mouthpieces for the Chinese Communist Party	True. For crying out loud, one (D)imbo had a Chinese spy on her staff for 20 years, another slept with a Chinese spy, and (D)imbos carry water for their Chinese overlords every single day, every single way.	We love our Chinese overlords! They will be nice to us! They will protect us from wHyTe sO0pReMaSee!	(D)emocrats are corporate shills, mouthpieces for the Chinese Communist Party

 

[Tibs]

Trump colluded with Russia - Bogus, a lie used to try and remove a duly-elected President

LOL.

 

[madinsomniac]

Are these leftist only conspiracies or right wing ones too… i know thousands that mostly are bullshit from either side…

I love how leftist do bemoan conspiracy theories from the right while embracing their own and never being intelligent enough to realize it…

Take cheating in florida this past Presidential election… go back to any major democrat messageboard and look up stolen bags of votes or misplaced bags of votes… they absolutely were bitching about election integrity and physically taking away votes in Florida until biden won the election with mathemstically shady numberyin dozens of places, then it was that voting fraud never happens lol …

 

[Tibs]

Add this to you scorecard on voting fraud. Oh, I see you conveniently left that off this time around, maybe the 'Big Lie' about the election being stolen has worn thin in your circles.

The FBI on Tuesday raided the home of a Colorado election clerk and three others in an investigation into a voting system security breach.

Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters, a Republican, was accused by state officials in August of helping to leak voting system passwords to a right-wing blog. Peters later appeared at MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell's conspiracy-laden "cyber-symposium," where the pillow magnate promised but failed to produce evidence of election-rigging. Peters later briefly went into hiding with Lindell's help amid FBI scrutiny.

On Tuesday morning, the FBI and local prosecutors raided Peters' home.

FBI raids Colorado election clerk, Boebert's ex-campaign manager

Tina Peters, a Mike Lindell ally accused of leaking voting system passwords, says she's “terrified."

www.salon.com

 

[Steeltime]

Are these leftist only conspiracies or right wing ones too…

Both. Feel free to add.

 

[oneforthebus]

.

Both. Feel free to add.

They've gone from "Trump is rushing the vaccine through, don't take it" to "Everyone must get the vaccine, even if they're already immune".

 

[madinsomniac]

Ok

Lets start with the vaccine is some sort of tracking device for the government… many hard right people think this… liberals do not.. the reality is that these vaccines have been under thousands of scientists ultra high powered microscopes and nobody has seen anything remotely like that…

Lets move on to the idea that the covid virus isnt real, its just propaganda, again a small portion of conservatives believe this… it’s absolutely real… again scientists on both sides have confirmed its existence repeatedly and also it tried to murder me lol

Voting fraud… both sides sometimes believe in it and sometimes don’t.. depending on who wins… math and common sense say that both sides engage in forms of it.. it’s unrealistic to think that it doesn’t happen here especially since we ourselves have been known to rig elections elsewhere for less stakes than control of this country would be

 

[madinsomniac]

.

They've gone from "Trump is rushing the vaccine through, don't take it" to "Everyone must get the vaccine, even if they're already immune".

You are way too level headed for this board lol

 

[MTC]

Trying to keep a list of various theories - both those labeled "conspiracy" theories by the left and others that are merely theories about tax policy, economics, etc. - and how those theories seem to be playing out.

The Theory	What conservatives believe	What liberals believe	What seems to be true
The Chinese flu originated in a lab	Very possible, even likely	Conspiracy theory! False! Believed only by fringe conspiracy crazies!	Not one single piece of evidence of natural origin, seems to have leaked from a lab
Trump colluded with Russia	Bogus, a lie used to try and remove a duly-elected President	Absolutely true! Trump is Putin's puppet, a Russian asset!	Bogus, a lie perpetrated by indicted liars and used to try and remove a duly-elected President
Profligate government spending, i.e., printing trillions of unbacked currency triggers inflation	True. Proven by economic policies prior to the Federal Reserve and the policies of 1974-1980	False! Government spending awesome, the more the gooder!	Profligate government spending, i.e., printing trillions of unbacked currency triggers inflation
The media are not tilted left, they have fallen over onto their left side	Absolutely. Anybody with eyes and ears can see that (Russia hoax, Covington teenagers, Rittenhouse trial, Biden coverage)	Not true! Media are the fount of truth and wisdom, seeking to destroy Republicans the truth and always fair!	The media are blatantly biased to lefties, and soft-ball proven idiots like Kamala Harris and Annoying Oral Crap
Joe Biden is mentally unfit	Truth. The dude is a blithering mental incompetent.	Not true! Joe Biden is a genius, sharp as a tack!	Joe Biden is a blithering, doddering old man suffering dementia
Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist	False. No evidence to support that claim.	True! He's white and the police did not gun him down!	FBI took Rittenhouse's phone, prosecution did not even argue Rittenhouse a wHyTe sO0pReMaSiSt
January 6 was an armed insurrection fostered by Donald Trump to seize the government and install himself as a dictator	False. Complete fiction.	True! Trump is a dictator, would install himself as lifetime President! Had a super-secret plan to take over the White House and ordain himself King of Trumpia!	Completely false. No organization, nobody armed, Trump had nothing to do with riots, nobody even charged with insurrection.
Liberals are pimping January 6 because they have nothing else and are desperate, stupid liars	True. All you need are eyes and ears.	False! January 6 was worse than Pearl Harbor, worse then 9/11, worse than the Civil War!!	Liberals are pimping January 6 because they have nothing else and are desperate, stupid liars
White supremacy is the greatest threat facing the United States	Of course not. Idiotic. The FBI cannot even find white supremacists, have to develop crimes for people to advance.	Oh my God, so true! wHyTe sO0pReMaSiStS everywhere, EVERYWHERE, OMG!!	White supremacy is probably about number 2,357,856 on the list of problems in the nation.
(D)emocrats are corporate shills, mouthpieces for the Chinese Communist Party	True. For crying out loud, one (D)imbo had a Chinese spy on her staff for 20 years, another slept with a Chinese spy, and (D)imbos carry water for their Chinese overlords every single day, every single way.	We love our Chinese overlords! They will be nice to us! They will protect us from wHyTe sO0pReMaSee!	(D)emocrats are corporate shills, mouthpieces for the Chinese Communist Party

For all the theories conspiracy or not. They all stem from a common denominator. If you have the time and see where the trends tend to start, connect and kinda branch out like tree then you get a good clue to who’s doing what and why

 

[MTC]

Are these leftist only conspiracies or right wing ones too… i know thousands that mostly are bullshit from either side…

I love how leftist do bemoan conspiracy theories from the right while embracing their own and never being intelligent enough to realize it…

Take cheating in florida this past Presidential election… go back to any major democrat messageboard and look up stolen bags of votes or misplaced bags of votes… they absolutely were bitching about election integrity and physically taking away votes in Florida until biden won the election with mathemstically shady numberyin dozens of places, then it was that voting fraud never happens lol …

Leftist will argue the same agenda as a right winger. Different perspective and beliefs lead to a lack of agreement when in relativity they argue the same conclusion in some instances.

I blame our set up labels, stereotypes, individualized beliefs that divide more than actually seeking conclusioons etc.

What we see now is too extreme sides with a loud voice and having the luxury of social media to promote said side. So it’s easy for normal hard working Americans to get persuaded if it tugs the heart strings

 

[Steelworth]

There are conspiracy nuts all over the political spectrum. I don't think mental illness discriminates based on political ideology.

But the ones in power who are pulling the strings on certain narratives (Ivermectin is simply a horse de-wormer) are the truly dangerous ones.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

.

They've gone from "Trump is rushing the vaccine through, don't take it" to "Everyone must get the vaccine, even if they're already immune".

I can’t believe you said that.

 

[oneforthebus]

I can’t believe you said that.

Why?

 

[IndySteel]

Why?

Probably because you love the clot shot almost as much as Flog.

 

[madinsomniac]

Now there are real conspiracies… plenty of them… its human nature to lie and scheme to get out of trouble or get what you want..

Its common actually…

but certain ones are pretty outrageous… lizard people, for instance… thats all from someone’s overactive imagination watching common video glitches…

but something like the government conducting experiments on civilians… we have a hundred examples that were confirmed by documents released by the government long after everyone involved was dead…

Conspiracies happen everyday. Its just important to dig into both sides of the story to find the truth and to remember that extraordinary claims require absolute facts to prove

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Why?

Lol. Not fully what what he said but you know. You know.

 

[oneforthebus]

Probably because you love the clot shot almost as much as Flog.

I like stuff that reduces hospitalization and death, yes. But I've said numerous times I'm against mandates and that people with natural immunity probably don't need it.

Perplexing to me that a Trump fanboy like yourself hates the vaccines he had a big hand in helping develop. And even got injected into himself!

 

[oneforthebus]

Lol. Not fully what what he said but you know. You know.

No I honestly don't. My statement is not inconsistent with any position I've ever taken here. I know everything is black and white to some of you, I don't look at things that way.

 

[Steeltime]

Mad Insomniac, if you review the conspiracy theories and overall themes I presented in my opening outline, you will see that I stuck to theories and themes that are part of everyday conversation - Russia conspiracy, Covid origins, inflation, January 6, etc. I did not venture into the things you bring up, about tracking devices in the Covid vaccine shot, the Covid virus "isn't real" (huh? Who the **** do you think said that?), etc. Every point I raised has advocates on both sides of the debate on this forum.

Your list is, frankly, irrelevant.

 

[Steelworth]

I like stuff that reduces hospitalization and death, yes. But I've said numerous times I'm against mandates and that people with natural immunity probably don't need it.

As much as we've disagreed on the vaccine shot itself, you have been vehemently against mandates as I've heard (well read) you say that multiple times.

You Cougar.

 

[MTC]

I’m not pro vax nor anti vax for that matter.
Part of what makes America great is freedom of choice. It’s just been the past few years if you disagree with someone then all of a sudden your misaligned with their politics, etc.

Things were so much better before social media

 

[Steelworth]

I'm pro-vaccine as they've been one of the miracles of modern medicine IMO, I'm just not pro this 'vaccine'. mRNA

 

[madinsomniac]

Mad Insomniac, if you review the conspiracy theories and overall themes I presented in my opening outline, you will see that I stuck to theories and themes that are part of everyday conversation - Russia conspiracy, Covid origins, inflation, January 6, etc. I did not venture into the things you bring up, about tracking devices in the Covid vaccine shot, the Covid virus "isn't real" (huh? Who the **** do you think said that?), etc. Every point I raised has advocates on both sides of the debate on this forum.

Your list is, frankly, irrelevant.

I didn’t know how far you were pushing things… if we are sticking to pure politics thats fine…

 

[Ron Burgundy]

.

They've gone from "Trump is rushing the vaccine through, don't take it" to "Everyone must get the vaccine, even if they're already immune".

Funny how that magically changed right after inauguration day.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Funny how that magically changed right after inauguration day.

Because it's all political. Any crisis real or manufacturered by them (border) will absolutely be used for all it is worth politically. See 2 weeks to flatten the curse. Which turned into flatten the country by govenors acting like dictators through this amazing emergency rule that negates state legislators. The control freaks must have been giddy with this much power in hand.