Covid Vaccine

[Sarge]

Really? Because I heard covid is gonna be over by midterms thanks to Joe Biden's amazing response.

That anyone would actually believe that in light of the fact that he just punted a few days ago should tell everyone that the end is nigh. Only an idiot would buy that.

 

[oneforthebus]

That anyone would actually believe that in light of the fact that he just punted a few days ago should tell everyone that the end is nigh. Only an idiot would buy that.

That was a joke but I'm sure there are probably people who believe that.

 

[Omar10213245]

Heheh

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I hear all this need for testing. Why? Why should asymptomatic people get tested? Even if you test negative, you can walk down the street and catch if from a fully vax'd person yelling about how his wife's boyfriend always finishes his soy milk.

If you have a fever and are sick beyond the level of your normal cold then go see your Dr and get tested, but other than that, what's the point of getting a test?

 

[Sarge]

Why should asymptomatic people get tested?

This right here is the problem. The government and media have a sizeable portion of the population of this nation terrified that catching covid is a surefire death sentence. Then, I think there is another segment of society that actually wants to be covid positive so they can play victim.

It's going to take decades to untangle the web of damage wrought on people's mental health. I felt like the nation had issues with mental health before covid. The damage done during this pandemic may be irreversible. God forbid the full truth of this mess comes out for all to see.

 

[SteelChip]

The vaccine works!
/Flog

Really? Because I heard covid is gonna be over by midterms thanks to Joe Biden's amazing response.

I just read an article this morning that Biden authorized something like $187M to build a facility to manufacture test strips for Covid.....that won't be finished for 3 years, I tried to find the link but now I can't find it.

 

[Troglodyte]

Right? I am all for it. I don't want to stay home for 10 days because I caught a cold, nor do I want my kids who aren't sick at all to have to stay home for 14. It's ludicrous.

But the hypocrisy is unbelievable. Imagine if at the height of the surge Trump got a call from the airlines and two days later revised the isolation numbers down.

Trump revising the isolation prior to the vaccines wouldn’t be anywhere close to same thing.

Biden has let the unvaccinated hedge their own bets.

 

[Troglodyte]

You do realize that most of us here are rational, thinking beings? Not puppets of one party? And it is possible for us to disagree with points made by people we even support.

Did you ever disagree with your mom or your dad? Your ex-wife?

The vaccines were a great achievement, he was right. So too were the first rockets developed to attempt to get man into space....that failed...but led to greater advancements.

He is wrong saying they are vaccines. First disagreement with him.

He is wrong saying in a blanket statement that they work. There is no either or here. They don't either work or fail. They fall in between. And as OFTB has noted, they are failing over time. They are doing nothing to contain transmission as evidenced by our epic load of current cases. They worked for 6 months. They are failing us now.

He is wrong in saying if you take the vaccines you are protected. Ask Colin Powell and any of thousands of others double or triple dosed that have died. They protect a % of people.

He is wrong when he says people aren't dying when they take the vaccine. Ask Colin again. Look at the recent NM news - 40+% of their Covid victims were vaxed. Look at any state willing to share accurate numbers.

I disagree with "most" of his statement.

I agree with Fauci on one thing though - in contradiction to Trump's statement:

"There has been a SIGNIFICANT uptick in breakthrough infections, hospitalizations, and deaths...those who are already vaccinated are again at risk" - Dr. Anthony Fraudci.

It’s irrational (and delusional), to think that you are an authority on vaccines, what defines them and what does not. You act as if Trump is the only person to have referred to the vaccine as a “vaccine”.

It’s irrational (and selectively ignorant) to think that age and co-morbities were relevant to Covid deaths prior to the vaccine, but no longer.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

It’s irrational (and delusional), to think that you are an authority on vaccines, what defines them and what does not. You act as if Trump is the only person to have referred to the vaccine as a “vaccine”.

I'm not. But I know a **** ton more about the topic than you.

It’s irrational (and selectively ignorant) to think that age and co-morbities were relevant to Covid deaths prior to the vaccine, but no longer.

No one's argued they are not. You have concocted this bogey-man in your own head and projected it upon us. In fact, you might benefit from this:




Regardless, if the vaccines actually, you know...worked...they would help the elderly and the sick as well to much better degrees than they do.

"Elderly vaccinated people are still at higher risk of dying from the disease than younger unvaccinated people."
​

Profound.

 

[Steeltime]

Trump revising the isolation prior to the vaccines wouldn’t be anywhere close to same thing.

Right. Because it would be Trump and the media would freak out.

That's the point.

Biden has let the unvaccinated hedge their own bets.

No, HE HASN'T. Telling millions of Americans they lose their jobs if they don't get the shot, or get dismissed from the armed forces with a dishonorable discharge, or cannot apply for jobs, or cannot even get goddamn unemployment is the OPPOSITE of letting them "hedge their own bets."

What is so astonishingly irritating about you is your absolute conviction about things you are completely wrong about. You insisted for months - years - that keeping children out of school was a good idea. TSF pointed out the psychological detriments, the damage to learning for young students, the social harm. You mocked him for his concerns - "you'd rather they die from Chinese flu, ahhhh!!"

And ******* guess what? TSF was right. The Chinese flu was less of a risk to Americans under the age of 18 than swimming. Suicides are up, academic performance is down, and we have damaged kids ages 7-10 to an extent we may not appreciate for years. Oh, and you lockdown fanatics robbed 2020 high school seniors of sports and dances and social outings. Stole it from them, for no legitimate reason, and never said, "Wow, sorry, we were ******* wrong."

It’s irrational (and selectively ignorant) to think that age and co-morbities were relevant to Covid deaths prior to the vaccine, but no longer.

Goddammit, you liar, go ahead and cite one time - ONE ******* TIME - where anybody in this forum suggested in any fashion that the elderly or those with co-morbidities should avoid the vaccine.

Go ahead, *****.

You live in a diseased, ugly fantasy world, where soy-boys have girlfriends, and government is honest, and politicians are looking out for somebody other than themselves. I don't give a **** that you do so.

Just leave the rest of us alone.

 

[oneforthebus]

Trump revising the isolation prior to the vaccines wouldn’t be anywhere close to same thing.

Biden has let the unvaccinated hedge their own bets.

You have spent months telling us all being unvaxxed puts others at risk while you were asked, if the vaccines work, why would unvaxxed people be putting others at risk?

Now that we have a variant that actually DOES completely evade the vaccines, and the highest number of cases we've ever had by far, you think it's ok for the unvaxxed to hedge their own bets.

Ha ha ha.

 

[oneforthebus]

I hear all this need for testing. Why? Why should asymptomatic people get tested? Even if you test negative, you can walk down the street and catch if from a fully vax'd person yelling about how his wife's boyfriend always finishes his soy milk.

If you have a fever and are sick beyond the level of your normal cold then go see your Dr and get tested, but other than that, what's the point of getting a test?

Not to mention the test is highly inaccurate if you are asymptomatic. So you take the test, get a negative and then walk down the street and infect fully vaxxed soy milk guy. The tests are useless except to confirm what you probably already know.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

This one may actually work!

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If you have a fever and are sick beyond the level of your normal cold then go see your Dr and get tested, but other than that, what's the point of getting a test?

Early on, I got the need for rapid universal testing. I can no longer see the need for never-ending, persistent testing. It makes much less sense in today's environment. See my about to be posted Ben Shapiro points.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Biden has let the unvaccinated hedge their own bets.

His vaccine mandates obliterate your ignorant claim.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Ben Shapiro nails it. Over. Done.

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So once it became clear that covid was not in fact a pagan god visiting vengeance on the unwashed Trump voters alone, the media and Democrats are now willing to admit the following:

1. Cloth masks are ineffective against omicron (Leanna Wen, CNN);
2. The vaccinated can spread and get covid;
3. The death rate is comparable to the flu (Chris Hayes);
4. Many people are entering hospitals with covid, not from covid (Fauci);
5. Natural immunity is a reason omicron hasn't been as virulent (Fauci);
6. We have to take into account societal needs, not just spread prevention (CDC);
7. The asymptomatic should not be tested (NFL);
8. We should focus on hospitalizations and deaths, not case rate (Biden);
9. Children are not at risk and schools should remain open;
10. Covid is predominantly an illness affecting the immunocompromised and elderly and we should not shut down society.

Those of us in reality have been saying all this for months and most of it since May 2020. But your political priors were more important than the data. You had to have your demonization narrative.

And btw, AOC and all you Leftist covid fanatics -- those whose virtue signaling authoritarian lockdown nonsense that has resulted in millions of lives destroyed -- stay in your states and leave mine alone.

So welcome to reality. And f*** all y'all for pretending you didn't know this so you could have fun crapping on Trump and DeSantis and all your red state relatives.

We chose data and freedom. You chose alarmism and unearned moral superiority. Stay in NY, NJ, CA, and the rest -- and enjoy the actual paranoid nanny state you created among your friends who reward you for telling them they will kill their kids and grandma if they don't panic.

Oh yes, and Happy New Year to all.

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See the whole thread. Above is all of it in text form though.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Yep. Bears repeating, put into better context this time. Australia - a symbol of failure.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

OH my goodness, the Liberal insanity of New York. Listen to this triple vaxxed nurse being asked to come back to work WHILE HAVING COVID.

 

[Steeltime]

Ben Shapiro nails it. Over. Done.

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So once it became clear that covid was not in fact a pagan god visiting vengeance on the unwashed Trump voters alone, the media and Democrats are now willing to admit the following:

1. Cloth masks are ineffective against omicron (Leanna Wen, CNN);
2. The vaccinated can spread and get covid;
3. The death rate is comparable to the flu (Chris Hayes);
4. Many people are entering hospitals with covid, not from covid (Fauci);
5. Natural immunity is a reason omicron hasn't been as virulent (Fauci);
6. We have to take into account societal needs, not just spread prevention (CDC);
7. The asymptomatic should not be tested (NFL);
8. We should focus on hospitalizations and deaths, not case rate (Biden);
9. Children are not at risk and schools should remain open;
10. Covid is predominantly an illness affecting the immunocompromised and elderly and we should not shut down society.

Those of us in reality have been saying all this for months and most of it since May 2020. But your political priors were more important than the data. You had to have your demonization narrative.

And btw, AOC and all you Leftist covid fanatics -- those whose virtue signaling authoritarian lockdown nonsense that has resulted in millions of lives destroyed -- stay in your states and leave mine alone.

So welcome to reality. And f*** all y'all for pretending you didn't know this so you could have fun crapping on Trump and DeSantis and all your red state relatives.

We chose data and freedom. You chose alarmism and unearned moral superiority. Stay in NY, NJ, CA, and the rest -- and enjoy the actual paranoid nanny state you created among your friends who reward you for telling them they will kill their kids and grandma if they don't panic.

Oh yes, and Happy New Year to all.

---

See the whole thread. Above is all of it in text form though.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Team Desantis trolls AOC

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Whoopsie.

Study: Children Develop Robust & Sustained Immune Responses to COVID-19​

Study: Children Develop Robust & Sustained Immune Responses to COVID-19 - UncoverDC

A recent study confirms the robust & sustained immune response in kids after COVID-19, defeating the idea of mandatory vaccines in children.

uncoverdc.com

A critical new study in Nature Immunology titled “Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infections” reveals children build up strong and durable immunity when they have been infected with COVID-19. Considerably stable beyond 12 months, these immune response findings “provide insight into the relative clinical protection that occurs in most children.” Significantly, the study states:

“We showed that children display a characteristically robust and sustained adaptive immune response against SARS-CoV-2 with substantial cross-reactivity against other hCoVs. Spike-specific T cell responses were more than twice as high in children. And broadly stable beyond 12 months. This is likely to contribute to the relative clinical protection that occurs in most children.”

As of December 30, 2021, nearly 285 million people have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 worldwide, of which around 5.4 million have died. SARS-CoV-2 infection in children is typically asymptomatic or mild and contrasts with high rates of hospitalizations and death in older adults. As such, the variation in how age affects an individual’s response has sparked an ongoing interest in “understanding the profile of the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 in children.” Repeatedly, research confirms that “children diagnosed with COVID-19 have an overall excellent prognosis.”

The study, partly funded by UK Research and Innovation (UKRI)/National Institute for Health Research through the UK Coronavirus Immunology Consortium (P.M.), points out that one possible explanation for the different immune responses to COVID-19 across various age groups might be “the timing of exposure to the four additional endemic human coronaviruses (hCoVs).” These comprise the Beta-coronaviruses OC43 and HKU-1, which have 38% and 35% amino acid homology with SARS-CoV-2, and the more distantly related Alpha-coronaviruses NL63 and 229E, each with around 31% homology.



These four coronaviruses (hCoVs) cause routine mild childhood infections, and antibody seroconversion occurs typically before age 5. The study notes that infection with one of the Alpha- or Beta-coronaviruses provides short-term immunity against reinfection from coronaviruses and represents brief cross-reactive immunity within the subtypes. As such, “recent hCoV infection might presensitize children against SARS-CoV-2 infection and may explain cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2-neutralizing antibodies in some seronegative children.” With that in mind, the researchers compared antibody levels against the four hCoVs in children and adults who were seronegative and seropositive for SARS-CoV-2.

The study compared antibody and cellular immunity in children aged 3-11 and adults aged 20 to 71. Blood samples were obtained from 91 children and 154 adults, including 35 children and 81 adults who tested positive for the virus in previous rounds of testing. All infections were asymptomatic or mild, and no staff or students in the cohort required medical care or hospitalization.

Antibody responses to viral proteins were broadly identical in seropositive children and adults. However, the study revealed that geometric mean antibody titers against all four areas (hCoVs) were more significant in children, with the N-terminal domain (NTD) and receptor-binding domain (RBD) showing 2.3-fold and 1.7-fold increases, respectively, though these did not achieve statistical significance. Unlike earlier findings, the authors found antibody responses to nucleoprotein, with a 1.3-fold higher antibody titer in children than in adults.

Compared to the seronegative group, SARS-CoV-2 seropositive adults had a 1.2–1.4-fold rise in hCoV titers. In contrast, SARS-CoV-2 seropositive children had significantly greater antibody levels against all four viruses, with 2.3, 1.9, 1.5, and 2.1-fold higher antibody levels than the seronegative group. Notably, seropositive children had similar levels of hCoV-specific antibodies to adults, whereas seronegative children had lower responses than adults.

The authors also examined antibody titers against influenza subtypes and respiratory syncytial virus in relation to SARS-CoV-2 serostatus to see if this outcome was exclusive to hCoV or a more general effect of SARS-CoV-2 infection on antibody responses against heterologous infection. No change in antibody titers against these viruses was observed in children or adults. These findings indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection improves antibody responses against hCoVs in children.

Following the increase in hCoV-specific antibody titers in children after SARS-CoV-2 infection, the authors analyzed whether this was cross-reactive with SARS-CoV-2 or an hCoV-specific response. Accordingly, plasma samples were pre-absorbed with recombinant S1 or S2 domain protein from SARS-CoV-2 before measuring antibody levels to both SARS-CoV-2 and the four hCoV subtypes.

The researchers observed that antibody titers against the whole spike protein were remarkably reduced after pre-absorption with both the S1 and S2 domains. RBD- and NTD-specific antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were absorbed by the S1 domain but not the S2 domain, with no effect on the nucleocapsid-specific binding for either domain.



The S1 domain did not affect antibody binding to any of the four hCoV subtypes, suggesting that cross-reactive antibodies against this domain are doubtful. Comparatively, the S2 domain inhibited antibody binding to OC43 and HKU-1. Regarding the alpha coronaviruses NL63 and 229e, no such effect was seen.

The study joins a long list of peer-reviewed research demonstrating that children exhibit a characteristically robust and sustained adaptive immune response against SARS-CoV-2 with significant cross-reactivity against other hCoVs. Undoubtedly, this natural immunity contributes to the relative clinical protection acquired by children.

 

[Steeltime]

The list from Shapiro and set forth in TSF's post is indisputable. And why would we be surprised that yet again, liberals are wrong about everything about the Chinese flu. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G!

• "Did not come from a Chinese lab!"
• Came from a Chinese lab.
• "Children are at risk!"
• Children not at risk.
• "Shutting down schools a good idea!"
• Shutting down schools a terrible idea.
• "Remote learning is awesomeness!"
• Remote learning terrible, American students falling even further behind in math, language.
• "Shutting down businesses a great idea, save lives, no harm to businesses!"
• Shutting down businesses a terrible idea, millions of jobs destroyed.
• "Endless government spending wondrously wonderful, no downside!"
• Government spending leads to massive inflation.
• "Ordering nursing homes to admit Chinese flu-infected a great idea."
• Ordering nursing homes to admit Chinese flu-infected killed thousands.
• "Don't trust the vaccines!"
• Vaccines a great benefit.
• "Now trust the vaccines, make them MANDATORY!"
• Vaccines a great benefit, mandating vaccination stupid and illegal.
• "Ivermectin won't help treat Chinese flu!"
• Ivermectin helps treat Chinese flu.
• "Masks stop the spread of the Chinese flu!"
• Masks don't stop the spread of the Chinese flu.
• "Chinese flu worse than the bubonic plague!"
• Chinese flu has a mortality rate of 0.5%, basically the flu.
• "Omicron another black death!"
• Omicron the cold.
• "Fauci is so wonderful!"
• Fauci wrong on everything he has ever said about disease, ever, in his life.
• "Fauci so caring about people!"
• Fauci's NIH funded virus testing to make bat flus transmissible to people. Covid a bat flu transmissible to people.
• "Trump has blood on his hands! Ahhhhhh ...!!"
• Trump's policies worked, Sloppy Joe the assclown now admits as much, wandering around in a haze as Omicron does its business.

Every. Thing. Liberals. Said. About. Covid. Was. WRONG.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Whoopsie.

Study: Children Develop Robust & Sustained Immune Responses to COVID-19​

Study: Children Develop Robust & Sustained Immune Responses to COVID-19 - UncoverDC

A recent study confirms the robust & sustained immune response in kids after COVID-19, defeating the idea of mandatory vaccines in children.

uncoverdc.com

A critical new study in Nature Immunology titled “Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infections” reveals children build up strong and durable immunity when they have been infected with COVID-19. Considerably stable beyond 12 months, these immune response findings “provide insight into the relative clinical protection that occurs in most children.” Significantly, the study states:





As of December 30, 2021, nearly 285 million people have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 worldwide, of which around 5.4 million have died. SARS-CoV-2 infection in children is typically asymptomatic or mild and contrasts with high rates of hospitalizations and death in older adults. As such, the variation in how age affects an individual’s response has sparked an ongoing interest in “understanding the profile of the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 in children.” Repeatedly, research confirms that “children diagnosed with COVID-19 have an overall excellent prognosis.”

The study, partly funded by UK Research and Innovation (UKRI)/National Institute for Health Research through the UK Coronavirus Immunology Consortium (P.M.), points out that one possible explanation for the different immune responses to COVID-19 across various age groups might be “the timing of exposure to the four additional endemic human coronaviruses (hCoVs).” These comprise the Beta-coronaviruses OC43 and HKU-1, which have 38% and 35% amino acid homology with SARS-CoV-2, and the more distantly related Alpha-coronaviruses NL63 and 229E, each with around 31% homology.



These four coronaviruses (hCoVs) cause routine mild childhood infections, and antibody seroconversion occurs typically before age 5. The study notes that infection with one of the Alpha- or Beta-coronaviruses provides short-term immunity against reinfection from coronaviruses and represents brief cross-reactive immunity within the subtypes. As such, “recent hCoV infection might presensitize children against SARS-CoV-2 infection and may explain cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2-neutralizing antibodies in some seronegative children.” With that in mind, the researchers compared antibody levels against the four hCoVs in children and adults who were seronegative and seropositive for SARS-CoV-2.

The study compared antibody and cellular immunity in children aged 3-11 and adults aged 20 to 71. Blood samples were obtained from 91 children and 154 adults, including 35 children and 81 adults who tested positive for the virus in previous rounds of testing. All infections were asymptomatic or mild, and no staff or students in the cohort required medical care or hospitalization.

Antibody responses to viral proteins were broadly identical in seropositive children and adults. However, the study revealed that geometric mean antibody titers against all four areas (hCoVs) were more significant in children, with the N-terminal domain (NTD) and receptor-binding domain (RBD) showing 2.3-fold and 1.7-fold increases, respectively, though these did not achieve statistical significance. Unlike earlier findings, the authors found antibody responses to nucleoprotein, with a 1.3-fold higher antibody titer in children than in adults.

Compared to the seronegative group, SARS-CoV-2 seropositive adults had a 1.2–1.4-fold rise in hCoV titers. In contrast, SARS-CoV-2 seropositive children had significantly greater antibody levels against all four viruses, with 2.3, 1.9, 1.5, and 2.1-fold higher antibody levels than the seronegative group. Notably, seropositive children had similar levels of hCoV-specific antibodies to adults, whereas seronegative children had lower responses than adults.

The authors also examined antibody titers against influenza subtypes and respiratory syncytial virus in relation to SARS-CoV-2 serostatus to see if this outcome was exclusive to hCoV or a more general effect of SARS-CoV-2 infection on antibody responses against heterologous infection. No change in antibody titers against these viruses was observed in children or adults. These findings indicate that SARS-CoV-2 infection improves antibody responses against hCoVs in children.

Following the increase in hCoV-specific antibody titers in children after SARS-CoV-2 infection, the authors analyzed whether this was cross-reactive with SARS-CoV-2 or an hCoV-specific response. Accordingly, plasma samples were pre-absorbed with recombinant S1 or S2 domain protein from SARS-CoV-2 before measuring antibody levels to both SARS-CoV-2 and the four hCoV subtypes.

The researchers observed that antibody titers against the whole spike protein were remarkably reduced after pre-absorption with both the S1 and S2 domains. RBD- and NTD-specific antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were absorbed by the S1 domain but not the S2 domain, with no effect on the nucleocapsid-specific binding for either domain.



The S1 domain did not affect antibody binding to any of the four hCoV subtypes, suggesting that cross-reactive antibodies against this domain are doubtful. Comparatively, the S2 domain inhibited antibody binding to OC43 and HKU-1. Regarding the alpha coronaviruses NL63 and 229e, no such effect was seen.

The study joins a long list of peer-reviewed research demonstrating that children exhibit a characteristically robust and sustained adaptive immune response against SARS-CoV-2 with significant cross-reactivity against other hCoVs. Undoubtedly, this natural immunity contributes to the relative clinical protection acquired by children.

Ain't nobody sticking my soon to be 5 year old boy with that horseshit ever. I will ******* fight you to the death.

 

[Troglodyte]

Jc.
1. They are short staffed for a variety of reasons, a main one mandate. So they are not functioning at full capacity

2. Nursing homes. Same as above no staff, per law can’t take residents so they stay at hospital bc no safe discharge.

Deny the reasons for the fundamental breakdown for HC we are seeing. Remove mandates, more money into reimbursement rates for Nursing homes and HC - more money to go to labor, better staffing level.

Also new law or order on agency. They are price gouging during an emergency.

No, many hospitals are still in the grace period of the mandate and will then take progressive discipline before firing people. The staffing shortages predate the mandates.

ICUs and ERs don’t have the luxury of “not functioning at full capacity”. If they’re short staffed, people need to pick up additional assignments. They don’t deny people care.

 

[Troglodyte]

I'm not. But I know a **** ton more about the topic than you.



No one's argued they are not. You have concocted this bogey-man in your own head and projected it upon us. In fact, you might benefit from this:


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Regardless, if the vaccines actually, you know...worked...they would help the elderly and the sick as well to much better degrees than they do.

"Elderly vaccinated people are still at higher risk of dying from the disease than younger unvaccinated people."
​

Profound.

Profound? More like pointless. Apples and oranges much? “But, but the vaccines don’t turn back the hands of time! They’re not the Fountain of Youth!”

Seriously.