There are more failures then success in this game. Look at the Bears. I dont recall a lot of people complaining about KP at the time. In fact most just didn't think hed be there at the usual 20 pick. Most thought Willis.
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There were a decent bunch of us against the KFP pick…but there were also a ton of Pitt fans looking at the pick with their homer glasses on for sure.
I’d say outside of Pitt fans the majority of fans I know were against the pick.
Was very glad they didn’t take Willis.
Damn Colbert left us a steaming pile of **** on his way out the door with T-Biscuit AND KFP!
I was in the for better or worse give Mason a chance for a season to see what you truly have in the guy, felt like he had earned that chance considering there weren’t any QBs worth drafting early or premium FA QBs out there.
But alas Colbert handed us two grenades as he departed.
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Depending on where they pick, they could get. Real solja
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The consensus was Pickett was the most NFL ready QB. Whether he should have went 1st round is a different story. Pickett has also been behind the 8 ball, but some of that was his own doing. If he would have sucked it up after signing Wilson he would have started the year. If he played well Wilson might not have seen the field. He was never starting over Hurts in Philly and I think he had a legit chance to start in Cleveland till he was injured. I still think Pickett will get a shot somewhere.
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I think you can use words like homer. I too would have been fine with going with Mason. But lots of times it plays out as a crapshoot. I really felt Bryce Young was too small. I was right. And Carolina gave up a hell of a lot more. Too me it's a lot about team fit. There are sone guys that transend that. But a lot if the time its the guys talent and traits matching the team. They also rushed Pickett in way too early. They also badly mishandled Pickett in his second season. Clearly Tomlin doesn't know how to deal with a young Q. And in no way should he be allowed to coach the next one.
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I too was on that boat of
1) why the **** was Colbert involved in that draft when Kahn was announced the new GM.
2). Why isn’t Red Nose getting a shot as he appears to be as good as any QB that fell to 1.20
3). Why in the hella-****-4-brains did we take the Jr. High girls basketball hands, in the 1st round no less..?
4). Was never an honest competition between the two (Rudy & mini-paws)
All in the past, SortA like Creed Humphrey,………………
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I think it’s too to call early on Bryce.
He started in an awful situation with no weapons and absolutely **** coaching. Hard to succeed with a poor coaching, no OL and no weapons.
They’ve just started to get some pieces around him and in year 2 he was really progressing nicely in the 2nd half of the season. He looked far more competitive vs the Chiefs and Eagles than the Steelers did with OldeRuss.
This year will be telling for him, he may just surprise you.
Talking about rushing Pickett in but writing off Bryce who was in a much worse situation isn’t quite fair imo.
You may be right, Bryce may not be their answer. He is trending the right way and improving though whereas KFP can’t stick with a team…many teams realizing KFP ain’t it.
Ok but Kenny was a two thirds through round one pick. Bryce Young Costed an extra one, two extra twos and DJ Moore. That's just a smidge of difference dont you think? I dont think trending in the right direction really cuts it for Bryce Young.
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They definitely paid a price to get him, too much? Maybe…time will tell.
Simply comparing the players, not their costs.
2nd half of the season was a top rated QB
Almost beat the Chiefs
Should’ve beat the SB champs in their house
Last 3 games 10 TDs zero picks (7 pass, 3 rush)
It’s a solid trend
He had a worse coaching staff than Tomlin’s year 1…I know, hard to do right
Funny that when given an OL in year 2 and even a rookie coach that wasn’t the abysmal Reich he started improving
As I said, this is a huge year for him
If his trend continues it’s not out of reason for him to be a top 8 QB which wouldn’t be too shabby for a guy completing his 2nd real season with any sort of a chance. That year 1 was a wash, the Carolina dumpster fire that year made Cleveland look like a well ran organization. Kenny was placed into a far more stable situation at every level of talent.
As a Bulldog fan it pains me to say that Bryce just may end up being a franchise QB…this year will tell a lot.
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He’s not eligible for the draft but freshman Sagapouletle (spell ?) really looked impressive in his opener with Cal against Oregon State. He committed to Oregon but switched at the last minute. Also had an offer from Georgia and others. Broke Gabriel’s passing records in Hawaii and he’s 6’3” . Probably a major portal acquisition for someone next season.
#1 I think Kenny was on a better team. I will not say he was better coached. Kenny was Coached by Matt F'n Canada.
#2 Kenny's time in Pittsburgh was punctuated by having him not lose games because the team was good enough to make playoffs. That is no way to develop a player.
#3 You can never seperate the cost of a player from expectations and opportunity. Bryce Young will get ultimate opportunity to improve because he was astronomically expensive.
#4 The term Franchise QB has come to mean a guy who gets a second contract with his original team. I will be shocked if Bryce Young is Kyler Murray.
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I would be giddy if the Steelers end up with Chiles. He has the best upside of any QB on this list. Allar is over-rated and will be a bust in the NFL unless he goes into the right system to develop his skills further. Penn State never has developed NFL talent at QB. Most notably is Kerry Collins who had an NFL career of 16 years and served as a backup for most of those on 6 different teams and earned two pro-bowls. Next up is Todd Blackledge, 6 year NFL career with a TD to INt ratio of 29 - 38. If you want line backers and tight ends, look to Penn State. If you want a QB, look elsewhere.
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1- coaching was equal at best, as a staff KFP had FAR better. Comparing OCs, likely equal…at least KFP didn’t have a different guy calling plays week to week, that matters
2- agreed. Tomlin not known for player development, Bryce’s bad year punctuated by running for his life every play and zero weapons to throw to.
3- you can when simply comparing two players as in Bryce>KFP (and it ain’t that close). Another Ex: Two guys are FAs one guy is a competent starter and one guy has a ceiling of career backup…the signing team will pay player A whether he was 1 overall or a UDFA over player B if they have the choice and need. Draft stock matters and gives guys a chance early but it fades over time. Draft stock is simply a team’s need/desperation through past decisions at a particular point in time.
4- again we’ll see. I expect he’ll likely get a 2nd contract (and be better than Murray). Back to the point of this 2nd year in a more stable environment will be telling.
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MSU ain’t exactly QB university either
Cousins then A whole bunch of meh
Not an Allar fan personally but if he is written off cuz PSU doesn’t produce QBs Chiles should be off the board too cuz neither does MSU…but I was never a fan of that argument
Judge the player, not where they came from
We’d have never drafted Ben cuz Miami-Ohio?!?!?
Who wants a RedHawk QB?
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Not a fan of helmet scouting, either, but I think it’s fair when talking about a smaller sample size. Urban Meyer and Jim Tressel liked running QBs who didn’t translate to the NFL, then OSU got the rap of not developing QBs. Day is changing that.
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Fair enough, but Ben is an anomaly, and he'll forever be Miami Ohio's highest ever draft pick.
The system in which a player develops has to be factored into NFL readiness, and even then, does the player fit the NFL team's system? Wouldn't you agree that team's like Oklahoma, Purdue, and Stanford produce more NFL ready QB's than say a Penn State, Virginia, or Arkansas?
Yes, analyze the player first, but also take into account what program and system that he is coming from. I don't think this is an either or argument.
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Keep in mind that at one point in the process, Ben realized how close he was to being a Brown.
That in itself elevated his anti-Brown play to the point of for several years he had the most wins of any QB that played in the Browns home stadium.
It took Baker’s Dozen to unseat him in that regards.
I think Ben is still #2 on that list.
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Systems are indeed a key factor, If analyzing the system it gives less credence to the don’t draft from certain programs theory (over long periods of time) as systems and coaches change frequently.
If it is one of those entrenched coaches that has been there for 10,15,20+ years you likely want their players because of their coaching, system, high level recruitment. So as you were saying I guess system/coaching more crucial than school
Logo/history.
The top entrenched coaches generally have excellent talent and teams scoop up tons of their players. I’ll take my chances on GA RBs, TEs all day cuz Kirby gets top talent in there. Guys like Saban, Smart etc generally have tons of their guys snatched up because their rep/coaching/recruiting are all top notch.
Ben certainly was an anomaly, so was Josh Allen, so was Mahomes. Seems the great QBs run 50/50ish
Some great talent from Small schools and some bigger schools like Bama, LSU, GA get tons of five star recruits and thus several drafted QBs.
I think NIL and the portal will reshape this landscape as guys more evenly disperse around the college ranks. Those QB2-3 behind 4&5 star entrenched starters will simply move on to an inside track to a starter role and more $$$ and guys will be coming from everywhere.
And don’t sleep on Arkansas QBs
with the 32nd pick of the NFL draft the Steelers select Taylen Green
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