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2023 AFC North....first time since 1935.....

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For the first time since 1935 every team in a division finished with a record of .500 or better....Congrats to the AFC North

Baltimore Ravens 13-4
Cleveland Browns 11-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 10-7
Cincinnati Bengals - 9-8

1935 NFC West
Detroit Lions 7-3-2
Green Bay Packers 8-4
Chicago Bears 6-4-2
Chicago Cardinals 6-4-2
 
I also think the AFC North (old central) has been the division to send the MOST 3-playoff team division In the NFL , as well.


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Even more impressive that 3 of the 4 teams had their starting QBs miss significant time this season.

Ravens started Jackson all year (last week was by choice)
Browns started 4 different QBs
Steelers started 3 different QBs
Bengals started 2 different QBs
 
Even more impressive that 3 of the 4 teams had their starting QBs miss significant time this season.

Ravens started Jackson all year (last week was by choice)
Browns started 4 different QBs
Steelers started 3 different QBs
Bengals started 2 different QBs
There is some impressive in there mixed with bad schematics and coaching.

Steelers took too long to make changes. Too long to change out the OC and too long to change out Mitch.

But yeah some impressive stuff overall..
 
There is some impressive in there mixed with bad schematics and coaching.

Steelers took too long to make changes. Too long to change out the OC and too long to change out Mitch.

But yeah some impressive stuff overall..
I just wonder where this team would've been if they fired Canada after last season (or the year before) and had an NFL-capable OC already in place.
 
I just wonder where this team would've been if they fired Canada after last season (or the year before) and had an NFL-capable OC already in place.
Exactly. There wasn't a fan that wanted Canada back. Rooney needs to be the only one who finds the new OC. And it needs to be a Omar type search.

I think everyone benefits from this type of approach from the HC on down to the players.
 
Exactly. There wasn't a fan that wanted Canada back. Rooney needs to be the only one who finds the new OC. And it needs to be a Omar type search.

I think everyone benefits from this type of approach from the HC on down to the players.

I defended canada between years 1 and 2... but he should not have gotten year 3 at all
 
I defended canada between years 1 and 2... but he should not have gotten year 3 at all
I have to admit I did as well. I thought that misdirection type offense would work great... didn't take into account we wouldn't get the right players for it and that Canada would be such a terrible play caller.
 
I defended canada between years 1 and 2... but he should not have gotten year 3 at all
I’ve been in business and management for a long time, have a graduate degree in business, as such I recognize peoples’ management styles. Shades doesn’t like change, he doesn’t like to have to hire new people, and he doesn’t like people he doesn’t know.
 
For the first time since 1935 every team in a division finished with a record of .500 or better....Congrats to the AFC North

Baltimore Ravens 13-4
Cleveland Browns 11-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 10-7
Cincinnati Bengals - 9-8

1935 NFC West
Detroit Lions 7-3-2
Green Bay Packers 8-4
Chicago Bears 6-4-2
Chicago Cardinals 6-4-2
To be forever known as the "Mike Tomlin Award."
 
Let me be 100% clear here... The 2023 AFC north is the single greatest division in NFL HISTORY...

Ok fine all four teams finished with Winning records. And 3 teams made the playoffs.. That is impressive... but nobody realizes how impressive... their schedule was absolutely brutal. Usually, divisions with triple playoff teams have some combination of
-having the 4th team be brutally bad
-having the AFC division they all play be really bad
-having the NFC division they all play be really bad
- having the mirror Opposition division they play the 17th game vs be mostly bad

In the case of the 2023 AFC north, they all played:

The AFC south, who had 3 teams with winning records, plus the Titans, and overall were the second best AFC division

The NFC west, who had Three teams with winning records and was tied for the best division in the NFC

And tge 17th game division was the NFC north who were tied with the NFC west for most nfc wins

The divisions looked like this win wise:

AFC North: 43
NFC West: 35
NFC North: 35
AFC South: 34
NFC East: 33
AFC East: 33
AFC West: 32
NFC South: 27

So they blew everyone out of the water in total wins, BUT the AFC north had a ridiculous strength of schedule as well.. SOS is a stat that tracks how much the teams you played won... so if you played 17 teams, and collectively they won 145 game, your team would have a SOS of .502... because their opponents could have theoretically won 289 games, but they did win 145. It shows how tough the schedule was...


the Bengals were 1st in the league in SOS with a .574...thats teams that had a total of 166 wins in a 17 game season... almost averaging a 10 win team a week... its insane...
and they played a first place schedule and only missed the playoffs because they went 1-5 in the Division... if they had beaten Cleveland in the first game or beaten us one of the two times they played us, they would be in the playoffs right now..

So SOS was
1 Cinci (.574 - 166)
2 Arizona (.561 -162)
3 Baltimore (.543 - 157)
4 Pittsburgh (.540 -156)
5 Cleveland (.536 - 155)
6 Jacksonville (.533 -154)
7 Chargers (.529 -153)
7 Rams (.529-153)
9 Carolina (.522 -151)
9 Tennessee (.522 - 151)
9 New England (.522 -151)
12 New york Giants (.512 -148)
12 Seattle (.512 - 148)
12 Washington (.512 - 148)

So the AFC north had 4 of the top 5 SOS's in the league... and all had winning records
...save for the Jags, Rams and seattle, all the rest were the really bad teams in the league with losing records... outside of the 3 afc north playoff teams, only one other team on this list made the playoffs....
 
Continued...

So lets also look at "Strength of Victory"

This is a stat that allows a simple breakdown of tge quality of a teams wins.
The gist is that you take the total number of wins from all the opponents a team beat, then divide that number by the total wins for that team, then divide that number by 17 ( the total number of games tge team played that year)

So if a team beat 5 other teams that season, and those five teams won a total of 25 games, the SOV would be 25/5 =5 .... 5/17 = .294
Now lets say another team also won 5 games, but those opponents they beat won a total of 50 games... that SOV would be 50/5 = 10..... 10/17=.588

Both teams won 5 games, but team two beat a better quality of team... so if you have a team that is beating up on scrub teams on the schedule, but losing to good ones, it is reflected in the SOV..

So lets look at an example from this year
5 teams finished with an 11-6 record.
Cleveland, Philly, Miami, Buffalo and KC
(The SOVs and total wins for beaten opponents)
Cleveland - (.513 - 96)
Philly -(.476 - 89)
Buffalo -(.471 - 88)
KC - (.428 - 80)
Miami(.358 -67)

So these 5 teams had 3 division winners in them, however Clevelands resume is far more accomplished for beating better teams..
Miami, on the other hand, has the fourth worst SOV in the league... they have fattened up on crappy teams and really haven't beaten good teams to compensate.

Getting a SOV over .500 and having a winning record is pretty difficult to do. Often a high SOV happens when a bad team with very few wins beats a couple really good teams and it inflates their SOV unnaturally high.. consistently beating good teams is a rare trait in the NFL... most teams that face a barrage of above average opponents lose a ton and dont finish over .500...

For instance this year only 7 teams had a SOV at .500 or higher...

One was Carolina... they only beat two teams... those two teams won a total of 17 games... so they hit .500 on the nose...

Another was New England. They only won 4 games. 2 were vs mediocre teams ( tge jets and Broncos... but the other two were vs playoff teams ( bills and steelers) this bumped the SOV to .529. Which is good enough to tie Baltimore for 4th in the league

And the best case is Arizona.. they led the league with a .588 SOV... they won 4 games, but three of those 4 games were playoff-bound, double digit victory teams...
now all that proves is that of the 4 win teams, the Cards were probable the best... but its far harder to maintain a high SOV with a high win total...


Which brings me to the AFC north

All 4 teams had a SOV over .500...

Arizona was tops at (.588 - 40) 4 wins,
the Steelers were 2nd at (.571 -97) 10 wins
Cinci was third at (.536 -82) 9 wins
Balimore (.529 - 117) tied for 4th with
New england (.529 -36) but the rats had a far more impressive stat line...
cleveland rounded out the top 5 at (.513 - 96)


What all this means is that the AFC north had 4 winning teams. That played the toughest schedules in the NFL and had the best quality wins.. you may never see results like this again in our lifetime...
 
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Great posts. I'd like to see revised SOS based on team records after the regular instead of the preceding season
 
Great work. So bet the house on rams in Motown. Bungles and clowns did great considering their QB situations. Incredible that Flacco comes off the couch and takes the browns into January. I wonder if this is Cleveland's SB season. Baltimore was lights out in the regular expecting another 1st game fail from them at our hands just gotta find a way to get through buff. Great posts lots of information
 
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