Alabama Gov signs bill effectively banning abortion

[Steeltime]

Having worked in the healthcare industry for over 20 years, and in a hospital system for 7, I unfortunately have personally seen families agonize over these decisions.
And I've seen all options happen.
I've seen the abortion route chosen, the giving birth where the child dies, the giving birth where the mom dies, where both mom and baby live, and both mom and baby die.
Obviously, some options are infrequent and extenuating and not very common.
However, I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" choice in these instances.
I've never once seen a woman/family make the decision willy nilly without a LOT of thought/consideration/reflecting. But to reiterate, this is a hospital system, not an abortion clinic.

Thanks, Fedderone. My point of course was that balancing rights in an incredibly difficult decision is not, as Trog suggested, simply "ignoring" the rights of the fetus.

 

[Steeltime]

Except for those rights of impregnated rape and incest victims in Alabama.

The Alabama legislature balanced the rights of the mother-to-be against the rights of the fetus, and voted to favor the rights of the fetus. You can of course disagree with their conclusion on the balancing of rights - I presume you do - but DO NOT simply claim that no thought is given to the rights of the expectant mother.

I don't offer my personal opinions on abortion because that is neither here nor there. I simply protest ignorant statements like, "The rights of the mother are ignored." No, they are not ignored. Those rights are simply put into the very complex equation and a result achieved.

Finally, on this same topic, do you believe an expectant mother can consume dangerous drugs while pregnant and while planning on having the pregnancy go full-term? Six months pregnant? Even seven months pregnant? Eight? If not, why not?

 

[hamster]

I think that if women don't want to get pregnant, they should insist upon using some sort of birth control.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Just leaving this here:

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.

<0.5%: Victim of Rape
3%: Fetal Health Problems
4%: Physical Health Problems
4%: Would interfere with eduction or career
7%: Not mature enough to raise a child
8%: Don't want to be a single mother
19%: Done having children
23%: Can't afford a baby
25%: Not ready for a child
6%: Other

The state of Florida records a reason for every abortion that occurs within its borders each year. In 2018, there were 70,083 abortions in Florida. This table lists each reason and the percentage of abortions that occurred because of it.

.0001%: Pregnancy resulted from an incestuous relationship
.001%: The woman was raped
.003%: The woman's life was endangered by the pregnancy
.01%: There was a serious fetus abnormality
.01%: The woman's physical health was threatened by the pregnancy
.02%: The woman's psychological health was threatened by the pregnancy
20.02%: The woman aborted for social or economic reasons
75.40%: No reason (elective)

And according to the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of the nation’s leading abortion seller, Planned Parenthood:

At current rates, an estimated 1/4 of American women will have an abortion by the age of 45
About 15,000 abortions are attributed to rape and incest — representing 1.5 percent of all abortions.

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It gets a little old being spoon fed, by the media and corrupt politicians and their millions of lemmings, that rape and incest are critical factors for maintaining the right to abortions.

 

[SteelerFan448]

It gets a little old being spoon fed, by the media and corrupt politicians and their millions of lemmings, that rape and incest are critical factors for maintaining the right to abortions.

They need rare and extreme examples to support their cause.

 

[IndySteel]

I think that if women don't want to get pregnant, they should insist upon using some sort of birth control.

And that really is the bottom line. Use birth control so that you don’t ******* kill innocent babies. It’s not that hard, you *******.

 

[Spike]

Trump: “As most people know, and for those who would like to know, I am strongly Pro-Life, with the three exceptions - Rape, Incest and protecting the Life of the mother - the same position taken by Ronald Reagan.”

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...fter-alabama-passes-restrictive-abortion-ban/

 

[SteelChip]

 

[Sarge]

And that really is the bottom line. Use birth control so that you don’t ******* kill innocent babies. It’s not that hard, you *******.

And their first question will be, "Who is going to pay for it?" Personal responsibility is dead.

 

[Roy92040]

People will continue to have abortions, legal or not. As one who remembers the old days when abortions were illegal I remember the horror stories of women going to have these illegal abortions performed by people who didn't qualify to be doctors. About the women who died or who were maimed by these procedures. I hope these people realize the consequences.

 

[madinsomniac]

People will continue to have abortions, legal or not. As one who remembers the old days when abortions were illegal I remember the horror stories of women going to have these illegal abortions performed by people who didn't qualify to be doctors. About the women who died or who were maimed by these procedures. I hope these people realize the consequences.

Not to be insensitive about an issue I really think is overblown, but that argument is literally pointless and could be applied to any law that people break regardless. The basic fact is we don’t know for sure when life begins so either you are on the side of erring on the side of caution or not... all the rest is just noise... we are guessing for the most part and the hyperbole over this topic has been boring me for decades...

At best its potential murder... if thats worth sex without consequences then fine, just acknowledge thats the position you are taking, don’t hide behind extreme potential situations...

Basically let science determine the start of life, allow whatever behind that point and nothing afterwards...

 

[SteelChip]

 

[Sarge]

Basically let science determine the start of life, allow whatever behind that point and nothing afterwards...

I was always under the impression that life began at conception. Your post made me think so I looked. This was the first link that popped up on google. I'm sure a person can find another link out there that disagrees. That being the case, I guess the only settled science is that of climate change.

https://lozierinstitute.org/a-scientific-view-of-when-life-begins/

The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications). Moreover, it is entirely independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos.

 

[deljzc]

The problem I've always had with making abortions illegal is that they were never truly illegal. Those with affluence and wealth and connections in their communities could always find an abortion if they needed one. Those in larger cities could always find an abortion if needed. Those who had more resources (connections, money, etc.) could always find an abortion.

Now you can all sit here and tell me the next go-around of illegality won't be the same as the first time. You would prosecute and you would search out the doctors that are doing it on the side for their circle of acquaintances. You would enforce this law better than you enforced the law back in the 1950's. But I don't believe you. And I think if you say that you're being slightly naive with how full illegality would work.

So I have a hard time that there is a law on the books that only truly will restrict a normal, typical abortion (those in the first 12 weeks) to those of limited connections, limited wealth and particularly those that live in rural America while almost certainly having access to abortions for those with privilege and those living in larger cities. Plus, we all know that access in cities will be unregulated and more dangerous for women.

These same male politicians that voted on this law will still have ways to get abortions for their daughters if they wanted them. Even if they don't believe in abortion, if the right donor came to them and said my daughter needs an abortion, they will know where to get one. It happened in 1950's. It will happen again.

I am fully supportive of greater restrictions to abortion, especially after 16 weeks (or so) when I think the whole development of the fetus starts to get far enough along to make me uncomfortable with termination. And I understand every person might have a different "point of being uncomfortable" with termination. But outlawing the whole process outright is unrealistic and almost unenforceable because the rich and powerful will always have a back door way to get the procedure for those in their inner circles if they want. You know it. I know it. And any law that so clearly allows for the rich and powerful to circumvent needs to be scrutinized to what it is really accomplishing.

 

[Superman]

I wish Dems would tell us why they insist on killing off their future vote blocks.

 

[deljzc]

I wish Dems would tell us why they insist on killing off their future vote blocks.

28% of all black pregnancies end in abortion.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I wish Dems would tell us why they insist on killing off their future vote blocks.

That's why they want more immigrants.

 

[Vader]

That's why they want more immigrants.

The Dems have been setting this up for years. Abortion, high taxes and open borders. They know that Americans won't vote for their socialist programs. So they import people that will. They scream about too many people but are fine allowing millions in illegally. This is a "replacement" of the American people.

 

[IndySteel]

The Dems have been setting this up for years. Abortion, high taxes and open borders. They know that Americans won't vote for their socialist programs. So they import people that will. They scream about too many people but are fine allowing millions in illegally. This is a "replacement" of the American people.

Yes, and terrorist President Obama even told criminal illegal aliens to vote in 2016. The idiotic incompetent Dims are falsely accusing Trump of a cover up when that mfer committed at least a dozen acts of treason.