All eyes are on Georgia
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I came here to post this and this is almost word for word what it's looking like from where I'm sitting. If this is the hill a lot of you want to die on the so be it. You're better than this. I hope.
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I hope Pence resigns. Listening to a little of Trump's speech today, the guy sounds like a raving lunatic. Putting it all on Pence to do something he likely can't even do. There's two weeks left. If I'm Pence, I say **** it. People gonna turn on Pence now, and that's sad.
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I am wondering how many of those "Stop the Steal" morons actually didn't vote. I wish there was a number.
It might be this
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/06/here-we-go-again-ga-county-announces-theyre-done-counting-for-the-night-n305237
Or it could be this
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/06/weird-funny-numbers-went-down-in-georgia-last-night-including-on-live-tv-on-multiple-networks-n305285
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It's called irreconcilable differences. There's no meeting in the middle, it's just one side trying to impose on the other. It's like night and day. I've said it numerous times. One side is an all powerful all controlling government the other is freedom.
Ok so the last 4 years of liberal **** hurt their party too. Right? This is your logic. Shut the **** up .
he was supposed to speak then the crowd would march to protest the electoral count at 1.
his rambling multi-circular speech went on past 1.
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That's ******* hilarious, as you are too dumb to realize that the most corrupt group of billionaire lapdogs is today's (D)im party. Today's (D)im party supports mass illegal immigration, driving down wages for those with a high school education or less. Today's (D)im party supports taking money from people who work and giving it to people who don't pay taxes. Today's (D)im party supports exporting our jobs to China because, hey, they need an extra GS4.
Seriously, you think the billionaire class supports REPUBLICANS? You mean like Gates, and Dorsey, and Fuckerberg, and Steyer, and Bloomberg, and Barry Diller, and Jonathan Gray, and Stanley Karen Hubbard, and Lynda Resnick, and every investment banker, and every CEO of billion dollar multinational companies that love getting goods from slave labor China.
I genuinely hope your party does not destroy our great nation. I look at what those ******** have done to California and New York, and realize their greed and stupidity and power obsession is endless.
The reasons the vermin known as (D)ims have seized power can be summed up as follows:
- Their Chinese allies unleashed a virus on the world.
- They have changed the election process, cheated and rigged it.
You apparently have the memory of a gnat. You forget that as of December 31, 2019, this nation's economy was EXPLODING, Trump had re-done trade deals and defense payments to the massive benefit of AMERICANS, and our future looked incredible.
Now? Some of the laziest, stupidest, most useless scum ever to stain the earth - Biden, Harris, Warren, et al. - are in charge.
My issue, Del, is that "sane" looking conservatives that you and I would vote for simply have no mass appeal. I like Nikki Haley or Mike Pence, for example, but I just don't see them bringing in any votes outside of people who would vote for them anyway. I think a lot of people realize this and feel that Trump, for all his warts, was the last best chance for a somewhat conservative governance. I think that is why there has been this over the top response to the election.
Pence has an 'R' next to his name. Whatever his future is in politics, they will turn on him anyway. He will be made out to be the worst ever. He is a Christian to boot, so look out.
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As you sow, so shall you reap. Go back and read this forum objectively. Its sad what people here have become because of the lies you have been fed. Its obvious Trump is a liar, now those who supported him will pay the price for their continued farces.
Now these asshats are calling in bomb threats...how many of you have talked openly of succession?
Shame on you, and those of you who have stood by and supported them.
Nothing good happens from this stuff no matter which side you are on.
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If this is where we're at on this forum I'm done here.
I'm just reporting the news bro.
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Reap what WE have sown?? Ordered to shut our businesses, no income, no indoor dining, while the great elected class still cashes their ******* checks and enjoys $300 appetizers.
Ordered to stay indoors, but not if you are protesting, i.e., burning and looting.
Ordered to obey the great edicts from those who know everything, no matter that the edicts were to "flatten the curve" for 15 days and are not approaching 300 days and where the orders don't ******* work. THEY. DON'T. *******. WORK.
Ordered to accept the results of an election that was ******* corrupt in every aspect. Thousands of witnesses reporting election fraud. Dozens of instances of bizarre and statistically impossible results, but cannot question them, noooo. Videotapes of "magic ballots" that were not ballots, okay they were ballots but we do this all the time, okay poll watchers sent home and lied to by being told that ballot counting done for the night, okay video shows the same ballots repeatedly fed through the processing machines, okay some fraud but not enough to change the outcome so don't investigate and don't challenge the integrity of the election, but Russia affected the 2016 election oh you ******* bet.
Your ilk treats me like ****. You sure like my money, don't you? But you ******** are like spoiled rich kids, happy to use daddy's credit card while calling him an ******* and lying to him and stealing from him. **** you.
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Mostly peaceful.
We've often said around these parts that if the Patriots ever get pissed off enough all hell will break loose at level not seen in this country in a long, long time. Well, here we are. Hopefully this can end peacefully, but I doubt it.
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I think there much closer to Nutjobs than Patriots. When someone wins by 7 million plus votes, the election wasn't very close. Some of you seem to realize it, Trump has done great damage to conservatism, that likely lasts for quite a long time. He really doesn't care because he isn't a conservative. If his 8 trillion added to the national debt after inheriting 4.9% unemployment didn't tell you that, his calling for 2K checks after 600 passed should have clued you in.
That call for 2K checks alone most likely lost the GA Senate seats. Even some conservatives were likely in positions where they needed the money.
That call for 2K checks alone most likely lost the GA Senate seats. Even some conservatives were likely in positions where they needed the money.
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All of the nattering morons talking about "Oh, Trump has lost support for (R)'s, they are going to get slaughtered in 2022, he hurt conservatives, blah-dee-*******-blah" are clueless idiots.
(D)ims are the most vile, contemptible, lying, cheating, corrupt parasites this side of a politicheskiy rukovoditel. They cheated in the 2020 election in broad daylight, on video sometimes, and when caught said, "No, we didn't." The media are bootlicking lackeys for the (D)ims and deserve to burn in hell.
(D)ims are afraid of another populist candidate and thereby add two welfare queen states (District of Corruption and Puerto Rico), change the Senate, do away with the filibuster, enact idiotic gun control (not for their well-armed security of course), pack the Supreme Court, ban fossil fuels (except for their limos and private jets I mean), plunge our economy into a deep, deep recession, ship more of our jobs to China, and accelerate the idiotic lie known as "diversity training."
And I should give a flying **** about "Trump hurting conservatives"? Oh **** off. You know that's a lie. If Trump actually "hurt conservatism," you ******* would have supported Trump as the party's leader for the past five years instead of lying about him like it was some sort of game show.
This nation is done. Today is the end. All you liberals will get the nation you so wanted - food shortages, public housing that would not suffice for prisoners, ****** roads, no protection by police. Go ahead and accuse me of overstating this issue but make sure to be back here in two years and four years to revisit my statements.
To all of you who paid attention and bought guns and ammo - good call. To those that didn't - bad idea.
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It always bears repeating, but Alvin Toffler wrote this in 1980 excerpted from The Third Wave. True then. Truer now:
The Reassurance Ritual
"Born of the liberating dreams of Second Wave (Industrial age) revolutionaries, representative government was a stunning advance over earlier power systems, a technological triumph more striking in its own way than the steam engine or the airplane.
Representative government made possible orderly succession without hereditary dynasty. It opened feedback channels between top and bottom in society. It provided an arena in which the differences among various groups could be reconciled peacefully.
Tied to majority rule and the idea of one-man/one-vote, it helped the poor and weak to squeeze benefits from the technicians of power (the guys who run things in business, government and even in unions) who ran the integrational engines (the processes that keep everything working for the guys who run things) of society. For these reasons, the spread of representative government was, on the whole, a humanizing breakthrough in history.
Yet from the very beginning it fell far short of its promise. By no stretch of the imagination was it ever controlled by the people, however defined. Nowhere did it actually change the underlying structure of power in industrial nations--the structure of sub-elites, elites and super-elites, the formal machinery of representation became one o the key means of integration by which they maintained themselves in power.
Thus elections, quite apart from who won them, performed a powerful cultural function for the elites. To the degree that everyone had a right to vote, elections fostered the illusion of equality. Voting provided a mass ritual of reassurance, conveying to the people the idea that choices were being made systematically, with machine-like regularity, and hence, by implication, rationally. Elections symbolically assured citizens that hey were t in command --that they could, in theory at least, dis-elect as well as elect leaders. In both capitalist and socialist countries, these ritual reassurances often provided more important than the actual outcomes of many elections.
Integrational elites programmed and political machinery differently in each place, controlling the number of parties or manipulating voting eligibility. Yet the electoral ritual--some might say farce--was employed everywhere. The fact that Soviet and Eastern European elections routinely produced magical majorities of 99 and 100 percent suggested that the need for reassurance remained at least as strong in the centrally planned societies as in the "free world". Elections took the steam out of protests from below.
Furthermore, despite the efforts of democratic reformers and radicals, the integrational elites retained virtually permanent control of the systems of representative government. Many theories have been advanced to explain why. Most however, overlook the mechanical nature of the system.
If we look at Second Wave political systems, with the eyes of an engineer rather than a political scientists', we suddenly are struck by a key fact that generally goes unobserved.
Industrial engineers routinely distinguish between two fundamentally different classes of machine: those that function intermittently, otherwise known as "batch-processing" machines, and those that function uninterruptedly, called "continuous-flow" machines. An example of the first is the commonplace punch press. The worker brings a batch of metal plates and feeds them into the machine, one or a few at a time, to stamp them into desired shapes. When the batch is finished the machine stops until a new batch is brought. An example of the second is the oil refinery, which, once started up, never stops running. Twenty-four hours a day oil flows through its pipes and tubes and chambers.
If we look at the global law factory, with its intermittent voting, we find ourselves face to face with a classical batch processor. The public is allowed to choose between candidates at stipulated times, after which the formal "democracy machine" is switched off again.
Contrast this with the continuous flow of influence from various organized interests, pressure groups, and power peddlers. Swarms of lobbyists from corporations and from government agencies, departments, and ministries testify before committees, serve on blue-ribbon panels, attend the same receptions and banquets, toast each other with cocktails in Washington or vodka in Moscow, carry information and influence back and forth, and thus affect the decision-making process on a round-the-clock basis.
The elites, in short, created a powerful continuous-flow machine to operate alongside and often at cross purposes with) the democratic batch processor. Only when we see these two machines side by side can we begin to understand how state power was really exercised in the global law factory.
So long as they played the representational game, people had at best only intermittent opportunities, through voting, to feed back their approval or disapproval of the government and its action. The technicians of power, by contrast, influenced those actions continuously.
Finally, an even more potent tool for social control was engineered into the very principle of representation. For the mere selection of some people to represent others created new members of the elite.
When workers, for example, first fought for the right to organize unions, they were harassed, prosecuted for conspiracy, followed by company spies, or beaten up by police and good squads. They were outsiders, unrepresented or inadequately represented in the system.
Once unions established themselves, they gave rise to a new group of integrators--the labor--establishment--whose members, rather than simply representing the workers, mediated between them and the elites in business and government. The George Meanys and Georges Seguys of the world, despite their rhetoric, became themselves key members of the integrational elite. The fake union leaders in the USSR and Eastern Europe never were anything but technicians of power.
In theory, the need to stand for re-election guaranteed that representatives would stay honest and would continue to speak for those they represented. Nowhere, however, did this prevent the absorption of representatives into the architecture of power. Everywhere the gap widened between the representative and the represented.
Representative government--what we have been taught to call democracy--was, in short, an industrial technology for assuring inequality. Representative government was pseudorepresentative."
The Reassurance Ritual
"Born of the liberating dreams of Second Wave (Industrial age) revolutionaries, representative government was a stunning advance over earlier power systems, a technological triumph more striking in its own way than the steam engine or the airplane.
Representative government made possible orderly succession without hereditary dynasty. It opened feedback channels between top and bottom in society. It provided an arena in which the differences among various groups could be reconciled peacefully.
Tied to majority rule and the idea of one-man/one-vote, it helped the poor and weak to squeeze benefits from the technicians of power (the guys who run things in business, government and even in unions) who ran the integrational engines (the processes that keep everything working for the guys who run things) of society. For these reasons, the spread of representative government was, on the whole, a humanizing breakthrough in history.
Yet from the very beginning it fell far short of its promise. By no stretch of the imagination was it ever controlled by the people, however defined. Nowhere did it actually change the underlying structure of power in industrial nations--the structure of sub-elites, elites and super-elites, the formal machinery of representation became one o the key means of integration by which they maintained themselves in power.
Thus elections, quite apart from who won them, performed a powerful cultural function for the elites. To the degree that everyone had a right to vote, elections fostered the illusion of equality. Voting provided a mass ritual of reassurance, conveying to the people the idea that choices were being made systematically, with machine-like regularity, and hence, by implication, rationally. Elections symbolically assured citizens that hey were t in command --that they could, in theory at least, dis-elect as well as elect leaders. In both capitalist and socialist countries, these ritual reassurances often provided more important than the actual outcomes of many elections.
Integrational elites programmed and political machinery differently in each place, controlling the number of parties or manipulating voting eligibility. Yet the electoral ritual--some might say farce--was employed everywhere. The fact that Soviet and Eastern European elections routinely produced magical majorities of 99 and 100 percent suggested that the need for reassurance remained at least as strong in the centrally planned societies as in the "free world". Elections took the steam out of protests from below.
Furthermore, despite the efforts of democratic reformers and radicals, the integrational elites retained virtually permanent control of the systems of representative government. Many theories have been advanced to explain why. Most however, overlook the mechanical nature of the system.
If we look at Second Wave political systems, with the eyes of an engineer rather than a political scientists', we suddenly are struck by a key fact that generally goes unobserved.
Industrial engineers routinely distinguish between two fundamentally different classes of machine: those that function intermittently, otherwise known as "batch-processing" machines, and those that function uninterruptedly, called "continuous-flow" machines. An example of the first is the commonplace punch press. The worker brings a batch of metal plates and feeds them into the machine, one or a few at a time, to stamp them into desired shapes. When the batch is finished the machine stops until a new batch is brought. An example of the second is the oil refinery, which, once started up, never stops running. Twenty-four hours a day oil flows through its pipes and tubes and chambers.
If we look at the global law factory, with its intermittent voting, we find ourselves face to face with a classical batch processor. The public is allowed to choose between candidates at stipulated times, after which the formal "democracy machine" is switched off again.
Contrast this with the continuous flow of influence from various organized interests, pressure groups, and power peddlers. Swarms of lobbyists from corporations and from government agencies, departments, and ministries testify before committees, serve on blue-ribbon panels, attend the same receptions and banquets, toast each other with cocktails in Washington or vodka in Moscow, carry information and influence back and forth, and thus affect the decision-making process on a round-the-clock basis.
The elites, in short, created a powerful continuous-flow machine to operate alongside and often at cross purposes with) the democratic batch processor. Only when we see these two machines side by side can we begin to understand how state power was really exercised in the global law factory.
So long as they played the representational game, people had at best only intermittent opportunities, through voting, to feed back their approval or disapproval of the government and its action. The technicians of power, by contrast, influenced those actions continuously.
Finally, an even more potent tool for social control was engineered into the very principle of representation. For the mere selection of some people to represent others created new members of the elite.
When workers, for example, first fought for the right to organize unions, they were harassed, prosecuted for conspiracy, followed by company spies, or beaten up by police and good squads. They were outsiders, unrepresented or inadequately represented in the system.
Once unions established themselves, they gave rise to a new group of integrators--the labor--establishment--whose members, rather than simply representing the workers, mediated between them and the elites in business and government. The George Meanys and Georges Seguys of the world, despite their rhetoric, became themselves key members of the integrational elite. The fake union leaders in the USSR and Eastern Europe never were anything but technicians of power.
In theory, the need to stand for re-election guaranteed that representatives would stay honest and would continue to speak for those they represented. Nowhere, however, did this prevent the absorption of representatives into the architecture of power. Everywhere the gap widened between the representative and the represented.
Representative government--what we have been taught to call democracy--was, in short, an industrial technology for assuring inequality. Representative government was pseudorepresentative."
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