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Art Rooney II is not committed to a winning organization…. There I said it

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I cannot think of one organization in the NFL whose owner would let our situation continue past even 2021. There is a fundamental flaw in our organization to be committed to ….. stability. But we have ‘used’ this commitment to stability to do nothing and coast. Or are we stuck with our underperforming coach because of Rooney’s diversity pledge ? Is this franchise committed to winning a Super Bowl, or being the greatest organization to not have a losing season? Yup, we are the champions of mediocrity — and with this coach mediocrity IS winning a Super Bowl apparently.
To me our terrible situation is much bigger than Canada being a terrible OC (he is) bigger than Tomlin being a bad head coach and poor game planner (he is), it is an organization that doesn’t want to get their hands dirty, get involved, and take the LEAD to make the tough decisions that it takes to be an organization that strives to win a Super Bowl.
 
The lack of winning is one thing, but it isn't even an entertaining product. I don't need a 42-35 game every week, but is it too much to ask for an offense capable of scoring more than one touchdown each week?
 
They should change the “Mike Tomlin never had a losing season” to Ben Roethlisberger never had a losing season. Ben kept this team going. Franchise QB and it was wasted on a used car salesman
 
SteelerFan448 said:
The lack of winning is one thing, but it isn't even an entertaining product. I don't need a 42-35 game every week, but is it too much to ask for an offense capable of scoring more than one touchdown each week?
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No kidding. I’ve been watching other teams this season for a change just to see how they compare to the Steelers. There is a night and day difference in offenses.
 
I don't see how anyone could make a valid argument against the title of the thread and will be reinforced if things remain the same to the end of the season.

It's apparent to me, and I suspect others as well, that ART II is most concerned with his financial bottom line and not wins and losses.
 
I think the Rooney assessment is close but I do think he wants the team to win not necessarily win SBs and playoff games. The desire would be to win enough that fans buy merchandise ,show up, and view the product.

With Tomlin they win just nothing that diehard fans desire.

Furthermore the team doesn't lose enough to alter that three mentioned desires that would leave the pocket book stressed.

You can see Rooney allows the team to spend up against the cap. That gives fans the appearance ownership is invested.

And they are invested, just not invested in what we want. They/he is invested in the business model of making money. He figures he can continue those ongoing desires with stability. No ups but no real downs. Yet.
 
I'm pretty certain the duece doesn't browse this site and it's unfortunate because it's a pretty good example of the frustration that vested steeler fans have of the current state of affairs. I'm sure he does follow the national and local media but they have yet to hold him accountable and level real criticism towards his watch.

Occasionally there's a tomato thrown but Rooney is still treated as royalty due to his father's accomplishments and the reverence his grandfather held. I'm not sure if he believes he can continue getting by because of the Rooney name and past glory or he's that obtuse and doesn't care except about the money coming in. If he continues in this fashion, the media will eventually start to publicly pursue this ineptitude and I think this is the only thing that might get his attention. Unfortunate and extremely frustrating.
 
Winning is filling the stands and making a profit. Winning on the field is secondary. When the stands start thinning out and the merchandise no longer sells you might see a change but if the majority of fans still go to the games and buy the merchandise why should he change the formula?
 
I don’t think it is Rooney penny pinching at all… they don’t skimp on scouting and if saving costs was a big talking point, why would he keep making Tomlin one of the top paid head coaches?

I think Rooney is just misinformed about what caused the winning culture of the past several decades… he thinks stability and a power run game with a great D is still the answer…

I also think he tries to be hands off like his dad, but doesn’t realize that occasionally Dan had to interject about things…
 
Like we don’t really skimp on players… we can’t pay everybody of course, but we don’t float way under the cap or only hand out under market value deals…

We don’t have a expensive assistant coach, but an expensive assistant coach might be one or two million more than a cheap one , and Tomlin makes 9 million more than the cheapest head coach this year… so he isn’t trying to skimp on coaching…

Hiring a new OC typically only costs one or two million dollars… less for a partial season… they clear over 120 million per season in profits… we aren’t talking about a significant amount of money in the grand scheme of things ..

I really doubt this whole thing is money driven… its just a really ****** take on how to compete
 
Anybody who has watched Artie over the years has seen a complacent man entirely lacking enthusiasm. No fire in his eyes. Not even greed. Very reminiscent of Goodell. Not as pasty.

Here's da ting. Our heroes are 'worth' something North of $5B. The Rooneys own 30% of that. Regardless of what the team does on the field. How many consecutive sell-outs? How long has HCMT been wasting talent, money and opportunity? Artie lacks the incentive or even the interest to 'make change'. Mediocrity is sufficient. N b'sides 15 non losing seasons. C'mon man!

N b'sides (2). It's a bullshit league. A vehicle for gambling. Closer to the Rooney legacy. Why would he take the football operation any more seriously than that?
 
So like I said earlier… money is probably not even remotely the reason for retaining Canada, especially now… an average coordinator contract is 1 million per year. Canada was a first time NFL coordinator so he likely makes under that.
If they fire him right now, they still pay out that contract, but they don’t HAVE to hire a replacement in season… they could simply add playcalling duties to an assistant and even if they bump them in pay, it would maybe be like 200k to 300k… average assistants are making 400k…
This is chump change compared to net profits…
 
madinsomniac said:
So like I said earlier… money is probably not even remotely the reason for retaining Canada, especially now… an average coordinator contract is 1 million per year. Canada was a first time NFL coordinator so he likely makes under that.
If they fire him right now, they still pay out that contract, but they don’t HAVE to hire a replacement in season… they could simply add playcalling duties to an assistant and even if they bump them in pay, it would maybe be like 200k to 300k… average assistants are making 400k…
This is chump change compared to net profits…
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There is no good reason why Canada still has a job. Which is why the money angle is thrown out. He obviously isn't a good fit for the team...
 
slashsteel said:
There is no good reason why Canada still has a job. Which is why the money angle is thrown out. He obviously isn't a good fit for the team...
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The real reason why I suspect that they aren’t canning him is that it legitimately might not be his fault… that the O is the design of Tomlin or maybe even actually advocated by Art, and if tgey fire him midseason then it might be more likely to come out…
I really believe by the breakdowns that we have seen that this O is build for safe O with the expectation that the D is going to win games… one read and then a safe outlet or toss it away…

*** i mean the philosophy… he definitely should be fired for other reasons lol
 
I think the commitment under this Rooney regime has shifted priorities and is first focused on stability, continuity, and staying the course with a focus on staying competitive and in the hunt for the playoffs until seasons end. Finishing with a non losing season is enough as long as we continue with the focus on stability, continuity.
Playoff wins and SB’s aren’t the goal here anymore with this owner as long as we continue with stability because as the world knows, the Steelers are the model franchise in all of sports for stability.
I think if you want to remain a Steeler fan and I will most definitely remain one, you must temper your expectations now and realize what the expectations are each year from this owner.
Keeping the same HC and maintaining stability is the Steeler brand now and not winning SBs.
 
steelhurt said:
I think the commitment under this Rooney regime has shifted priorities and is first focused on stability, continuity, and staying the course with a focus on staying competitive and in the hunt for the playoffs until seasons end. Finishing with a non losing season is enough as long as we continue with the focus on stability, continuity.
Playoff wins and SB’s aren’t the goal here anymore with this owner as long as we continue with stability because as the world knows, the Steelers are the model franchise in all of sports for stability.
I think if you want to remain a Steeler fan and I will most definitely remain one, you must temper your expectations now and realize what the expectations are each year from this owner.
Keeping the same HC and maintaining stability is the Steeler brand now and not winning SBs.
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Yep we can no longer get hyped for preseason and thinking the draft will ultimately matter... just enjoy those time periods and expect no better than.500 if that.
 
The Rooney’s have always put the NFL first. I suspect that part of Tomlin’s job security has to do with working for the “Rooney Rule” Rooney’s. It would be a terrible look for the NFL if the Rooney’s were to fire Tomlin. They would likely be very compelled to replace him with another coach “of color”.
 
Troglodyte said:
The Rooney’s have always put the NFL first. I suspect that part of Tomlin’s job security has to do with working for the “Rooney Rule” Rooney’s. It would be a terrible look for the NFL if the Rooney’s were to fire Tomlin. They would likely be very compelled to replace him with another coach “of color”.
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I don't think so. He has been here long enough. I don't anyone would buy into skin pigmentation as the reason he wasn't retained.
 
My co-worker is a Steeler fan and he asked what I thought about the last game. I said it sucked and Tomlin and Canada need to go. He said why would you want that? - We've never had a losing season under Tomlin. I said apparently you and I want different things - and he just looked at me. Until more people shift from the winning season mentality over to wanting to sniff some championships, Art won't do shiit. And why would he.... $$$$
 
slashsteel said:
I don't think so. He has been here long enough. I don't anyone would buy into skin pigmentation as the reason he wasn't retained.
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Not so much the reason he was retained but part of the reason they are reluctant to fire him. The +/- on “of color” head coaches in the NFL seems to get a lot of attention every off-season.
 
I think Deuce is turning into Bob Nutting with a salary cap. If he has to spend $X for better coaches (and getting rid of bad coaches) to win a playoff game or two that brings in $Y extra revenue where Y < X and X is not a sure thing, then why bother?
If there are empty seats at Heinz, err, Acrisure they’re still sold and there is a 13 year waiting list for season tickets, then what’s the problem?
Merchandise and swag revenue is a drop in the bucket.
Shades makes a crap ton of money but the Steelers pay less than average for assistants and coordinators.
 
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