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Art Rooney II is not committed to a winning organization…. There I said it

madinsomniac said:
You never fire Tomlin… you lowball him on the extension then when he doesn’t agree, leak to the Media that negotiations are not going well, then trade him to the coaching opening of his choice…

That covers your *** and gets you a pick or two
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Chin did the same thing from his end, he asked for more than he knew they’d pay so they parted ways.
 
I agree with most of what has already been said. For Art 2 it's just a business. He's content as long as he's making money. Winning championships would be a nice bonus but not the ultimate goal. He's no better than Mike Brown.

And I do think there is something in his ego about maintaining stability and doing things "the Steeler way." Again, that's more important than winning. The appearance of stability and being in control, not making rash decisions or having knee jerk reactions when things go bad.

I don't know if this is true but I've heard that while Tomlin's pay is in line with other head coaches, the assistants are paid below league average AND more importantly the Steelers' coaching staff is among the league's smallest (fewest assistants). I can't imagine that is Mike T's decision.

Finally, I don't think Mike T's race or the Rooney rule should have any bearing on whether he's retained or let go. The results should matter. The team hasn't won a playoff game in years and hasn't been to a Super Bowl since 2010. Hovering around .500 and barely making or missing the playoffs should not be considered success.

Mike T accomplished a lot and deserves all the accolades thrown his way. We can be fans of Mike T and appreciate him for what he's done while at the same time thinking it's time for him to move on. I think he's a great guy and had a great run as coach, but just like Noll... at some point we need fresh ideas and new blood.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
If there are empty seats at Heinz, err, Acrisure they’re still sold and there is a 13 year waiting list for season tickets, then what’s the problem?
Merchandise and swag revenue is a drop in the bucket.
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Nope, a 13 year waiting list is no problem at all. I'd love a problem like that.
 
madinsomniac said:
You never fire Tomlin… you lowball him on the extension then when he doesn’t agree, leak to the Media that negotiations are not going well, then trade him to the coaching opening of his choice…

That covers your *** and gets you a pick or two
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Has a team ever traded for a coach who hasn’t won a playoff game in six years?
 
jiminoh said:
My co-worker is a Steeler fan and he asked what I thought about the last game. I said it sucked and Tomlin and Canada need to go. He said why would you want that? - We've never had a losing season under Tomlin. I said apparently you and I want different things - and he just looked at me. Until more people shift from the winning season mentality over to wanting to sniff some championships, Art won't do shiit. And why would he.... $$$$
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Those winning seasons had more to do with having a franchsie QB creating backyard plays rather than this clueless bum who hides his eyes behind sunglasses because he cannot coach.

The more we saw Cowhers players retire the more we saw Tomlin’s system exposed.
 
Walt said:
I agree with most of what has already been said. For Art 2 it's just a business. He's content as long as he's making money. Winning championships would be a nice bonus but not the ultimate goal. He's no better than Mike Brown.

And I do think there is something in his ego about maintaining stability and doing things "the Steeler way." Again, that's more important than winning. The appearance of stability and being in control, not making rash decisions or having knee jerk reactions when things go bad.

I don't know if this is true but I've heard that while Tomlin's pay is in line with other head coaches, the assistants are paid below league average AND more importantly the Steelers' coaching staff is among the league's smallest (fewest assistants). I can't imagine that is Mike T's decision.

Finally, I don't think Mike T's race or the Rooney rule should have any bearing on whether he's retained or let go. The results should matter. The team hasn't won a playoff game in years and hasn't been to a Super Bowl since 2010. Hovering around .500 and barely making or missing the playoffs should not be considered success.

Mike T accomplished a lot and deserves all the accolades thrown his way. We can be fans of Mike T and appreciate him for what he's done while at the same time thinking it's time for him to move on. I think he's a great guy and had a great run as coach, but just like Noll... at some point we need fresh ideas and new blood.
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My thoughts as well
 
MTC said:
Those winning seasons had more to do with having a franchsie QB creating backyard plays rather than this clueless bum who hides his eyes behind sunglasses because he cannot coach.

The more we saw Cowhers players retire the more we saw Tomlin’s system exposed.
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Oh, I absolutely said that. And the response from him was - yeah but, yeah but, yeah but, yeah but. You can guess the "yeah buts" from him. Most matched the media.
 
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If the guy just let the coordinators (good ones of course) do their thing while he takes care of the rest he would have been a really really great
HoF bound Coach but he's micromanaging without having the abilities to do so and his ego is destroying his legacy
 
Troglodyte said:
Has a team ever traded for a coach who hasn’t won a playoff game in six years?
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Never a losing season. Greatest coach everrrr….
 
madinsomniac said:
You never fire Tomlin… you lowball him on the extension then when he doesn’t agree, leak to the Media that negotiations are not going well, then trade him to the coaching opening of his choice…

That covers your *** and gets you a pick or two
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Trade him to who??? What franchise owner is dumb enough to give him a second glance? We might get away with getting picks with our cast-off WRs but I can't believe other owner can't see him for the fraud he is.
 
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ExUSAF said:
Trade him to who??? What franchise owner is dumb enough to give him a second glance? We might get away with getting picks with our cast-off WRs but I can't believe other owner can't see him for the fraud he is.
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Name brand head coaches get recycled more than an aluminum can at a sierra club rally…

I mean Josh McDaniels was a horrible head coach in Denver, and he is back in LA…
The closest Comparison to Tomlin is often Marty Shottenheimer, and that guy got job after job despite terrible postseason performances… and Tomlin has a super bowl win…

Also a ton of owners might be business savvy but have the football knowledge and common sense of a doorknob… take Jim Irsay… who is absolutely detached from reality
 
Troglodyte said:
Not so much the reason he was retained but part of the reason they are reluctant to fire him. The +/- on “of color” head coaches in the NFL seems to get a lot of attention every off-season.
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THey don't fire him because they have no Steelers way reason to fire him. We don't since 1969 fire head coaches. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Steelers Tradition and the fact he is a good coach. He isn't perfect for sure but he hasn't been so bad as to warrant being fired by a team that doesn't fire head coaches.

As for the idea Art doesn't want to win I find that complete and utter rubbish.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
THey don't fire him because they have no Steelers way reason to fire him. We don't since 1969 fire head coaches. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Steelers Tradition and the fact he is a good coach. He isn't perfect for sure but he hasn't been so bad as to warrant being fired by a team that doesn't fire head coaches.

As for the idea Art doesn't want to win I find that complete and utter rubbish.
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Your right it is rubbish as he does want to win to keep the money rolling in. He just doesn't want to spend in regards to coaching to achieve something more than mediocrity.

It is either this or Tomlin refuses to upgrade coaches.


Has to be one or the other you pick your poison.
 
As far as another coaching gig the guy has in-season won enough to get another gig. He would be attractive to the bottom feeders that hover around that level.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
THey don't fire him because they have no Steelers way reason to fire him. We don't since 1969 fire head coaches. It has absolutely nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with Steelers Tradition and the fact he is a good coach. He isn't perfect for sure but he hasn't been so bad as to warrant being fired by a team that doesn't fire head coaches.

As for the idea Art doesn't want to win I find that complete and utter rubbish.
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Futility is bad, Tomlin has been futile at correcting the teams problems and winning a playoff game for six seasons going on seven.

I never said Rooney doesn’t want to win, but it’s quite evident he tolerates it.
 
carbonsteel said:
I cannot think of one organization in the NFL whose owner would let our situation continue past even 2021. There is a fundamental flaw in our organization to be committed to ….. stability. But we have ‘used’ this commitment to stability to do nothing and coast. Or are we stuck with our underperforming coach because of Rooney’s diversity pledge ? Is this franchise committed to winning a Super Bowl, or being the greatest organization to not have a losing season? Yup, we are the champions of mediocrity — and with this coach mediocrity IS winning a Super Bowl apparently.
To me our terrible situation is much bigger than Canada being a terrible OC (he is) bigger than Tomlin being a bad head coach and poor game planner (he is), it is an organization that doesn’t want to get their hands dirty, get involved, and take the LEAD to make the tough decisions that it takes to be an organization that strives to win a Super Bowl.
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In other news water is wet.....
 
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